Thirty More Countries Could Get Nukes Soon

[Spider-Bite]

You can have left wing oppressors, what about the Khmer Rouge, they believed that creating their workers paradise and promoting their own twisted version of equality was more important then human rights. They were devoted to getting rid of the gap of rich and poor and wouldn't let human rights stop them.

they used a right wing idealogy approach to acheive a left wing idealogy result.

 

[Spider-Bite]

If my mother was born in Germany I would be considered half German, I don't see the difference here. My citizenship status doesn't change my cultural background.

your confusing nationality with race. your cultural background doesn't make you who you are. my parents were christain. I'm atheist. I'm not part christain. religion is a cultural background, but it's not in my blood.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I think you guys are forgetting that just because somebody calls themself a lefty doesn't make them one. there are uuppies and downies out there.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Communism is a left wing idealology. Not every left winger is not a liberal. Oppression is a tool for both sides of the political spectrum.

Look at this little diagram I made

Communism <----> Socialism <----> Liberalism <----> Centrism <----> Conservativism <----> Reactionism <----> Fascism

And here's another one

As you can clearly see, being left wing does not equal being good and being right wing does not equal being evil. They both have evil sides (the extremes) and both have good sides (liberals and conservatives).

 

[The Overlord]

they used a right wing idealogy approach to acheive a left wing idealogy result.

That premise is silly. Communism is a left wing ideology, that opposes diversity (everyone will have to be an atheist member of the working class without a country) and supports authoritarianism (establishingthe international dictatorship of the proles) to achieve a left wing goal (everyone will be equal in the classless society when the dictatorship of the proles whithers away). Are you saying Communism is a right wing ideology now?

Seems like you don't have your facts straight. Being left wing doesn't make morally superior to right wingers or vice versa, left wing people have the same ability to rape, steal, murder and oppress that right wingers have. Thinking your ideologiy makes you morally superior to others is fool hearty and arrogant.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Here's a little article from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_wing_politics#Political_parties_on_the_Left

 

[The Overlord]

it's the same idealogy. look at Bush. a wealthy regime run by him and big corporations. just becuaes they aren't elected officials doesn't mean they aren't running the country. rich people using their power to get richer and keep everybody else poorer. same boat, different paint.

There is difference. Kim Jong likely believes this current economic status in NK is a necessary building block to creating a workers paradise in the NK, no pain, no gain as they say.

i said look at China's sweatshops.

We're talking about NK, not China, China is more Machiavellian than anything else.


that's not left wing. that's not liberal. that's not liberating people from oppression and ugliness. controlling the culture is not left wing. that is the exact opposite. in this country who's trying to control marriage? the right wingers or the left wingers? right wingers even try to infilitrate science class to deceive young children into believing in God.


Are you saying Communism isn't left wing now? You have no grasp of poli sci. Besides Communists think they are liberating people, Communists believe people are being oppressed by concepts like religion and the nation state, they believe these are concepts created by the ruling class to control the working class, thus they believe these concepts have to be destroyed for the working class to be truly liberated. According to Communism diversity is the enemy of the working class, people who are divided by religion and nationality cannot rise up against the ruling class, so these things need to be done away with. Communist are left wingers, they just have different more extreme tactics then liberals or Social Democrats.


I know this. but strenghtening civil rights is a left winger idealogy. I feel that socialism can be right winger or left winger. left winger means you help the poor. right winger means you help the rich. the government can be used to acheive either. I feel that republicans in america oppose government economic intervention simply because without it, it becomes easier for the rich to keep everybody else back.

John Locke is the thinker who created the principals that the American constitution is based on and he would be considered a right winger today. One can support civil rights and be a right winger. The left does not a monoply on civil rights.


because the death penalty is right wing and so is forcing everybody to conform to the same lifestyle, traditions, and culture

Communism is left wing ideology that does things in the name of a greater goal, the equality of a classless society. If you don't believe Communism is a left wing ideology then you're out to lunch.

 

[Chauncey]

Thirty nations could get nukes tomorrow just based on Bush ordering a halt to the investigation into A.Q. Khan's activities. You see the CIA was following a paper trail in early 2001 which they were ordered to halt when it was discovered that the Saudi Royals were funding Khan's WMD supply market. As a result, both Iran and North Korea were able to purchase materials from him. Hooray!!!

Reposted in the interest of someone actualy reading it.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Thirty nations could get nukes tomorrow just based on Bush ordering a halt to the investigation into A.Q. Khan's activities. You see the CIA was following a paper trail in early 2001 which they were ordered to halt when it was discovered that the Saudi Royals were funding Khan's WMD supply market. As a result, both Iran and North Korea were able to purchase materials from him. Hooray!!!

Reposted in the interest of someone actualy reading it.

Actually North Korea has been obtaining nuclear materials and was working on its nuclear program before Bush even took office. They've been working on it for quite some time.

In the end, the responsibility of Iran and North Korea obtaining nuclear weapons lies on Iran and North Korea.

 

[Chauncey]

Actually North Korea has been obtaining nuclear materials and was working on its nuclear program before Bush even took office. They've been working on it for quite some time.

In the end, the responsibility of Iran and North Korea obtaining nuclear weapons lies on Iran and North Korea.

I agree, but don't you find it rather strange that the investigation of the paper trail was called off? Khan was having a nuke materials/plans yardsale and following that trail could have done a hell of a lot of good. The fact that the Saudis were found to be involved and that the investigation was halted immediately thereafter is something that everyone should be very, very concerned about.