Thirty More Countries Could Get Nukes Soon

[Spider-Bite]

My father was born in Canada, as was I, but my mother was born in the US, that gives me the right to have duel citizenship and my ability to apply for American citizenship (since its a birthright for me) is far easier than someone with no American no parents at all. Since my mom is American and my dad is Canadian, I am half American, half Canadian.

Also FYI has Prime Ministers not Presidents, Canada is still a member of the Commom Wealth and the head of state is offically Queen Elizibeth II, though the PM has the real power.

Do you have citizenship here? if you don't have it, than your not american. that's the law.

 

[War Lord]

I doubt it. Not to be offensive, but right winger presidents who feel about their country the way you feel about your country usually cause more harm to their country than good. I mean just look at Kim Jong, or the president of Iran or president Bush. They aren't exactly making the best choices, and those are the same choices you are advocating for your own country.

I love how you equate Kim Jong and the president of Iran as right wingers, just because they're evil.

 

[The Overlord]

Do you have citizenship here? if you don't have it, than your not american. that's the law.

Not yet, but I can get it anytime I want, but right now I'm little paranoid, I know the chance of a draft being brought in the US is a tad small, but I think I will wait for the next government to get in, see if the stituation in Iraq improves first.

 

[The Overlord]

I love how you equate Kim Jong and the president of Iran as right wingers, just because they're evil.

Well Kim Jong is a Communist, so its hard to argue he's a right winger, but the President of Iran is a rabid social conservative, how is he not a right winger?

 

[Holly Goodhead]

I am so sick of hearing about politics. ugh Go away governments, youre all mean.

 

[War Lord]

Well Kim Jong is a Communist, so its hard to argue he's a right winger, but the President of Iran is a rabid social conservative, how is he not a right winger?

He's a dictator. That doesn't make him a right winger.

 

[The Overlord]

He's a dictator. That doesn't make him a right winger.

He's a socially conservative dictator, that does make a right winger, just like Kim Jong's status as communist makes him a left wing dictator.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I love how you equate Kim Jong and the president of Iran as right wingers, just because they're evil.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a conservative right winger. Nobody disputes this, not even Bush nor President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad himself. In fact the guy just rescently expelled liberal college professors from the nations's colleges. He increased the gap between the rich and the poor. He supports mixing politics with religion. He opposes gay rights. He wants to preserve the culture and traditions of Iran. He opposes anything progressive or liberating. He is very agressive on foreign policy. It's internationally known that this guy is a republican.

and oh wait. He wants to build nuclear weapons too.t:

Kim Jong? nobody can say for sure he is a right winger because his country is so isolated, but I was saying he advocates the same things for his country that you advocate for yours.

He does sound kind of conservative in the sense though, that he wants to preserve the culture. An undercover reporter who got into North Korea had to keep all of her magazines hidden to make sure that the country's women didn't get ideas about how women live in other parts of the world. Kind of opposing diversity don't you think?

 

[Spider-Bite]

He's a socially conservative dictator, that does make a right winger, just like Kim Jong's status as communist makes him a left wing dictator.

actually he provides a huge growing gap between the rich and the poor. left wingers support redistributing the wealth to shrink the gap and not expand it. Communist China is usually opposite the views of liberal left wingers. Freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of belief. no death penalty. right to a fair trial.

For 20 years in the early part of this century religion was outlawed in China. A direct vilation of seperation of church and state. Just rescently prisoners were being tortured with bamboo shoots under their fingernails as part of their sentence. they weren't even pro choice. they were pro-forcing women to abort female fetuses. If a reporter wants to criticize Bush's wire tapping in America they can, but had a chinese citizen criticized their government, what do you think would happen? When people protested their desire for democracy a few years back, they all got doused with powerful fire hydrant hoses to disband. A few decades ago when they tried they all got shot.

Oppression and and opoosition to civil rights is the exact opposite of left wingers. I'm not saying china's government are right wingers. they are more like neither, but I'd say they have more in common with right wingers. they don't exactly sound like a bunch of liberal bleeding heart types to me. look at their children in sweat shops? while left wingers in america want the minimum wage raised.

 

[The Overlord]

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a conservative right winger. Nobody disputes this, not even Bush nor President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad himself. In fact the guy just rescently expelled liberal college professors from the nations's colleges. He increased the gap between the rich and the poor. He supports mixing politics with religion. He opposes gay rights. He wants to preserve the culture and traditions of Iran. He opposes anything progressive or liberating. He is very agressive on foreign policy. It's internationally known that this guy is a republican.

and oh wait. He wants to build nuclear weapons too.t:

Kim Jong? nobody can say for sure he is a right winger because his country is so isolated, but I was saying he advocates the same things for his country that you advocate for yours.

He does sound kind of conservative in the sense though, that he wants to preserve the culture. An undercover reporter who got into North Korea had to keep all of her magazines hidden to make sure that the country's women didn't get ideas about how women live in other parts of the world. Kind of opposing diversity don't you think?

Its kinda hard to argue Kim Jong is a right winger, considering he promotes communist style economic policies in NK. I doubt jonty supports communist style economics. One can be left winger and be a dictator. Coimmunism isn't really a pro diversity ideology, because all culture and religion have to be done away with to build the paradise of the workers, culture and religion are merely tools of the upper class to control the proles, as Marxist theory would state. I seen inside reports in NK and I have seen no evidence that women are more oppressed then men there, Kim Jong oppresses men and women equally and hides information from both genders about outside world.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Not yet, but I can get it anytime I want, but right now I'm little paranoid, I know the chance of a draft being brought in the US is a tad small, but I think I will wait for the next government to get in, see if the stituation in Iraq improves first.

so maybe some day you will be an American, but untill then you are not.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Its kinda hard to argue Kim Jong is a right winger, considering he promotes communist style economic policies in NK. I doubt jonty supports communist style economics. One can be left winger and be a dictator. Coimmunism isn't really a pro diversity ideology, because all culture and religion have to be done away with to build the paradise of the workers, culture and religion are merely tools of the upper class to control the proles, as Marxist theory would state. I seen inside reports in NK and I have seen no evidence that women are more oppressed then men there, Kim Jong oppresses men and women equally and hides information from both genders about outside world.

key word is oppressed. oppression is a right winger thing.

and he is controlling the economy, but he is not looking out for the poor. there is an extremely far gap between the rich and the poor there. that's not left winger.

 

[blind_fury]

Iran has alot more in common with the neo-conservatives than NK.

 

[Addendum]

The gap isn't right or left wing

 

[blind_fury]

The Gap?

 

[Spider-Bite]

The gap isn't right or left wing

ummm. yes it is. every politician and political news reporter knows this and covers this frequently. It's a major issue in every debate between left wingers and right wingers. Right wingers claim they support the trickle down theory, and left wingers claim helping the middle and lower class creates jobs and icnreases the standard of living. I didnt' discover this myself. It was known by most people before I was born. It's publicly admitted by right wing poltiicians, that this is their policy.

 

[Addendum]

No. There's a gap in the rich and poor in third-world countries. Aside from those who live in those countries, no one knows whether it's a right or left wing government.

 

[Spider-Bite]

No. There's a gap in the rich and poor in third-world countries. Aside from those who live in those countries, no one knows whether it's a right or left wing government.

so President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would know best whether he's a right winger or a left winger huh? well according to him and his country men he's a right winger. He takes the far right side of every issue. Liberals hate him. and he's constantly trying to silence them. not to be rude but you should pay attention to what's going on in the world.

 

[Addendum]

Iran is the only third-world country? Damn. Guess the others got rich quick

 

[The Overlord]

actually he provides a huge growing gap between the rich and the poor. left wingers support redistributing the wealth to shrink the gap and not expand it. Communist China is usually opposite the views of liberal left wingers. Freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of belief. no death penalty. right to a fair trial.

For 20 years in the early part of this century religion was outlawed in China. A direct vilation of seperation of church and state. Just rescently prisoners were being tortured with bamboo shoots under their fingernails as part of their sentence. they weren't even pro choice. they were pro-forcing women to abort female fetuses. If a reporter wants to criticize Bush's wire tapping in America they can, but had a chinese citizen criticized their government, what do you think would happen? When people protested their desire for democracy a few years back, they all got doused with powerful fire hydrant hoses to disband. A few decades ago when they tried they all got shot.

Oppression and and opoosition to civil rights is the exact opposite of left wingers. I'm not saying china's government are right wingers. they are more like neither, but I'd say they have more in common with right wingers. they don't exactly sound like a bunch of liberal bleeding heart types to me. look at their children in sweat shops? while left wingers in america want the minimum wage raised.

Your confusing NK with China. In the NK there is no private enterprise and the gap between rich and poor is different there, almost everyone is equally except for government officals and the military, there are no independepently wealthy people in NK. Almost the citizens in NK are equal, equally poor and equally oppressed, no one outside of the governemnt is rich. NK doesn't have sweat shops because they have no economic contact with the outside world.

Besides even though Communism is a left wing ideology it isn't pro diversity ideology, all culture and religion has to be done away with to build the paradise of the workers, culture and religion are merely tools of the upper class to control the proles, as Marxist theory would state. You can be left wing and not believe in civil rights or diversity, like many old school Marxists do.

Really its unfair to say only left wingers support human rights, many right wingers support human rights as well, one can left wing or right wing and not support human rights. Look at the Khmer Rouge, they thought the only way to close the gap between rich and poor in Cambodia was to turn the clock back 800 years and make everyone become a peasant farmer and they killed everyone who didn't conform to the program. They believed in promoting a version of equality (though it was a twisted one) and believed it was more important then human rights, how is that not left wing.

 

[The Overlord]

key word is oppressed. oppression is a right winger thing.

and he is controlling the economy, but he is not looking out for the poor. there is an extremely far gap between the rich and the poor there. that's not left winger.

You can have left wing oppressors, what about the Khmer Rouge, they believed that creating their workers paradise and promoting their own twisted version of equality was more important then human rights. They were devoted to getting rid of the gap of rich and poor and wouldn't let human rights stop them.

 

[The Overlord]

so maybe some day you will be an American, but untill then you are not.

If my mother was born in Germany I would be considered half German, I don't see the difference here. My citizenship status doesn't change my cultural background.

 

[hippie_hunter]

He's a dictator. That doesn't make him a right winger.

There are right winged dictators. Hitler, Ahmadinejad, Mussolini, Tojo, and Franco are examples of right winged dictators

There are also left winged dictators. Stalin, Lenin, Kim Jong Il, Castro, Krushchev, and Chavez are examples of left wing dictators.

 

[hippie_hunter]

key word is oppressed. oppression is a right winger thing.

and he is controlling the economy, but he is not looking out for the poor. there is an extremely far gap between the rich and the poor there. that's not left winger.

Oppression is not a right winged thing. Both left and right winged dictatorships have used oppression. The Soviet Union is the perfect example of a left winged dictatorship that used oppression.

You forget that communism is a left winged idealology. Just like liberalism. Yet they are completely different.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Your confusing NK with China. In the NK there is no private enterprise and the gap between rich and poor is different there, almost everyone is equally except for government officals and the military, there are no independepently wealthy people in NK.

it's the same idealogy. look at Bush. a wealthy regime run by him and big corporations. just becuaes they aren't elected officials doesn't mean they aren't running the country. rich people using their power to get richer and keep everybody else poorer. same boat, different paint.

NK doesn't have sweat shops because they have no economic contact with the outside world.

i said look at China's sweatshops.

Besides even though Communism is a left wing ideology it isn't pro diversity ideology, all culture and religion has to be done away with to build the paradise of the workers, culture and religion are merely tools of the upper class to control the proles, as Marxist theory would state. You can be left wing and not believe in civil rights or diversity, like many old school Marxists do.

that's not left wing. that's not liberal. that's not liberating people from oppression and ugliness. controlling the culture is not left wing. that is the exact opposite. in this country who's trying to control marriage? the right wingers or the left wingers? right wingers even try to infilitrate science class to deceive young children into believing in God.

Really its unfair to say only left wingers support human rights, many right wingers support human rights as well, one can left wing or right wing and not support human rights.

I know this. but strenghtening civil rights is a left winger idealogy. I feel that socialism can be right winger or left winger. left winger means you help the poor. right winger means you help the rich. the government can be used to acheive either. I feel that republicans in america oppose government economic intervention simply because without it, it becomes easier for the rich to keep everybody else back.

Look at the Khmer Rouge, they thought the only way to close the gap between rich and poor in Cambodia was to turn the clock back 800 years and make everyone become a peasant farmer and they killed everyone who didn't conform to the program. They believed in promoting a version of equality (though it was a twisted one) and believed it was more important then human rights, how is that not left wing.

because the death penalty is right wing and so is forcing everybody to conform to the same lifestyle, traditions, and culture