Thirty More Countries Could Get Nukes Soon

[Spider-Bite]

The United States of today is somewhat better than the United States of the Cold War in picking it's allies. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are better than Zaire and Baathist Iraq. Not much better but still better.

Today we are picking more legitimate allies such as Poland, the Czech Republic, the Baltic States, Georgia, Romania, Bulgaria, and others.

Even though we are going through a rough spot with our more traditional allies, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, Canada and others. Our ties with them are still strong and healthy. They are not on the verge of breaking.

Really the only countries that have legitimate fears of being invaded by the United States at the moment are Iran, North Korea, Syria, Cuba, and Venezuela.

And it is not accurate that the United States is behind most of the world's problems, every nation in the world is responsible for that. Many people just want to use the United States as a scapegoat.

EXACTLY! Our country makes bad choices. but so does North Korea and Iran and others.

But you forgot to mention Israel in your list. I don't feel we should abandon them, but we should be saying to them "HEY STOP THIS OR WE WONT PROTECT YOU ANYMORE! THE ONLY REASON ALQUIDA EVEN HATES US IS BECAUSE WE PROTECT YOU! THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS DIED ON 9/11 FOR YOUR PROTECTION! KNOCK IT OFF OR YOUR ON YOUR OWN!"

And we should say it all in capital letters too! But seriously. Israel would quit making things worse if they thought we woudln't bail them out every time they bomb a city or steal more land.

 

[Spider-Bite]

sometimes I wonder if this is actually less dangerous than we think. I'm not completely sold on it, but I ponder it.

think about it, if all those countries have nuclear weapons, everybody might be too scared to go to war with each other. A lot of people say that the only reason world war 3 didn't break out right after world war 2 was because everybody was afraid that the human race would nuke itself to extinction. so a dangerous weapon of violence and destruction actually brought peace.

think about it. iran would not want war with us. they know they would lose. they don't really want to nuke Israel either, because they know Israel would nuke them right back. so really neither side nukes either side.

 

[Fred_Fury]

If the US couldn't prevent other countries from developing nukes (help Canada had nuclear technology in 1945) how would they prevent other countries from developing a death ray or something, after they manage to build it?

We dropped the ball when we told everyone "yeah, its an atom bomb, it works by splitting an atom, using uranium and plutonium and stuff" then all the scientists around the world were like "oh that makes sense, lets figure out how to make one!"

What we should do is just develop an awesome weapon, and give it a bad ass name like "ragnarock" or "doomsday device" or "discombobulator ray" then scientists wont have such a good idea on how it works. All they'll see is stuff getting destroyed.

 

[Dangerous]

Bring back the bomb

 

[hippie_hunter]

EXACTLY! Our country makes bad choices. but so does North Korea and Iran and others.

Tell that to some people

But you forgot to mention Israel in your list. I don't feel we should abandon them, but we should be saying to them "HEY STOP THIS OR WE WONT PROTECT YOU ANYMORE! THE ONLY REASON ALQUIDA EVEN HATES US IS BECAUSE WE PROTECT YOU! THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS DIED ON 9/11 FOR YOUR PROTECTION! KNOCK IT OFF OR YOUR ON YOUR OWN!"

True, but al-Qaeda also hates us because of our troops and ships on Muslim soil (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Bahrain, and others)

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Its a sign of the times,America no longer has a monopoly on nuclear weapons.I can imagine it will be friendler to others now,since America can be blown away now.

 

[Fading]

*sigh*

People just don't get it...

-TNC

Ya agreed. Putting joking around aside, when the world should be shrinking it's number of nukes, when new countries get them it puts a hold on that. We have enough nukes to blow up the world plenty of times over I'm sure, and as my uncle said "You can only blow it up once". I honestly don't think it'll end in a nuclear winter with us all killing each other, I really don't, but I just see it as reopening a wound everytime a new country announces their working to get nukes. We were able to kill eachother fine with swords and shield lol, let's go back to that.

 

[cass]

Its a sign of the times,America no longer has a monopoly on nuclear weapons.I can imagine it will be friendler to others now,since America can be blown away now.

Do you ever have anything to contribute besides "America sucks, blah blah blah, it's gonna fall"?

 

[War Lord]

Yet almost entirely accurate. Fact of the matter is that the US doesn't exactly have the best track record when deciding who it's allies are and who it's enemies are. I'm Canadian. I'd hate to see my government act like the rest of the fools on this planet an rush to a Nuclear defense strategy. Not so much because it wouldn't some day be needed, but rather because it's simply ******ed.

I think Canada should develop nukes to protect it against being invaded.

 

[Addendum]

I think Canada should develop nukes to protect it against being invaded.

 

[War Lord]

Just being practical.

The only good defense is a good offense.

 

[Darthphere]

Nicaragua needs a nuke.

 

[Addendum]

Just being practical.

The only good defense is a good offense.

Now you're just trying to cover up your fear using football terminology

 

[War Lord]

Now you're just trying to cover up your fear using football terminology

No fear here.

I want to obliterate anybody who tries to. Why make yourself unnecessarily vulnerable?

 

[Avalanche]

And the 30 extra countries will be afraid to actually use theirs too. No one will ever use a nuke. Not in this day and age. Setting one off is pretty much destroying the planet via the chain reaction that would occur across the world.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Its a sign of the times,America no longer has a monopoly on nuclear weapons.I can imagine it will be friendler to others now,since America can be blown away now.

The United States only had a monopoly on nuclear weapons from 1944 to 1949. In 1949 the monopoly ended, that was about 60 YEARS AGO. And then the United Kingdom, France, China, South Africa, Israel, India, Pakistan, and North Korea developed them also.

1. A monopoly is when someone posesses all means of production, capability, etc. and no one else does.

2. A monopoly does not have eight other nations have the means to do something.

3. The Soviet Union, China and North Korea developed nuclear weapons and we certainly weren't friendly to them. We only got friendly with them (excluding North Korea), due to changing times.

4. The United States could always be blown away. I used to live in an area that is targeted by Russian and Chinese nuclear missiles. It's not just today or tommorow, it was always!

5. I'm going to tell you this every time you post something stupid like this:

F**KING LEARN ABOUT THE UNITED STATES BEFORE YOU F**KING B***H ABOUT IT FOR F**KING CHRIST SAKES! STOP BEING SO F**KING IGNORANT WITH YOUR "AMERICA SUCKS" COMMENTS!

 

[hippie_hunter]

Do you ever have anything to contribute besides "America sucks, blah blah blah, it's gonna fall"?

No he really doesn't

 

[The Overlord]

I think Canada should develop nukes to protect it against being invaded.

Who would want to invade Canada? The only enemies Canada has now are terrorists and terrorists usually don't invade a country, they commit terrorist acts. Investing in intelligence agencies is a far better means to counter terrorism, Seriously there is no benefit in it, if for example the Chinese invade Canada (which is unlikely), the US will kick them out because they wouldn't want a hositle power on their border, the US has to protect Canada, whether they want to or not.

If the US decides to invade Canada, well Canada is screwed no matter what, so nukes will not help with an invasion either way. Besides do you have any idea how much it costs to build and maintain nukes? Seriously for somone who claims to believe in responsible spending, you seem willing to spend a whole lot of tax payers money on something we don't need.

 

[Darthphere]

I forgot Canada existed.

 

[hippie_hunter]

What would even be the point to invading Canada? What do they have to offer the United States?

 

[Addendum]

Sucky beer, though we already have our own

 

[War Lord]

Who would want to invade Canada? The only enemies Canada has now are terrorists and terrorists usually don't invade a country, they commit terrorist acts. Investing in intelligence agencies is a far better means to counter terrorism, Seriously there is no benefit in it, if for example the Chinese invade Canada (which is unlikely), the US will kick them out because they wouldn't want a hositle power on their border, the US has to protect Canada, whether they want to or not.

If the US decides to invade Canada, well Canada is screwed no matter what, so nukes will not help with an invasion either way. Besides do you have any idea how much it costs to build and maintain nukes? Seriously for somone who claims to believe in responsible spending, you seem willing to spend a whole lot of tax payers money on something we don't need.

That doesn't mean Canada should rely on the US for military defense. A country can't really claim independence if it cannot adequately defend it's own borders on its own accord.

Having the means to defend oneself is not irresponsible spending. imo.

 

[The Overlord]

That doesn't mean Canada should rely on the US for military defense. A country can't really claim independence if it cannot adequately defend it's own borders on its own accord.

Having the means to defend oneself is not irresponsible spending. imo.

Defend oursleves from what exactly? Besides terrorists (which nukes provide no defense against) what enemies does Canada has, who has the ability and motive to launch of full scale invasion of Canada? Besides would the US even want Canada to have nukes? Would the US treat Canada as a more equal partner if we nukes?

Seriously nukes would only be useful to Canada if we developed them in 1945, then we would have a permanent seat on the security Council, now if we developed nukes we wouldn't get a seat (India, Pakistan and Israel don't have permanent seats) so it wouldn't even increase Canada's influence on the world stage. You have justify spending for it not be wasteful, can you think of any realstic scernario where Canada would suffer a full scale invasionand would need nukes to counter it?

 

[War Lord]

Defend oursleves from what exactly? Besides terrorists (which nukes provide no defense against) what enemies does Canada has, who has the ability and motive to launch of full scale invasion of Canada? Besides would the US even want Canada to have nukes? Would the US treat Canada as a more equal partner if we nukes?

Seriously nukes would only be useful to Canada if we developed them in 1945, then we would have a permanent seat on the security Council, now if we developed nukes we wouldn't get a seat (India, Pakistan and Israel don't have permanent seats) so it wouldn't even increase Canada's influence on the world stage. You have justify spending for it not be wasteful, can you think of any realstic scernario where Canada would suffer a full scale invasionand would need nukes to counter it?

Sure, right now we might not have enemies, but one never knows the future. The only way to ensure peace long-term is to be prepared for the possibility of war. If you aren't prepared for war, you could find yourself having lost the battle without firing a shot.

It's not about trying to gain the respect of the US, because you get that by being an ally, not an adversary. It's about being a country. Nobody can really claim to be a country if they cannot adequately defend their borders.

Right now it might not seem that there are any threats to ourselves as a nation, but one cannot know the future and if there is ever a threat it's not going to go away just because we're "nice".

 

[The Overlord]

Sure, right now we might not have enemies, but one never knows the future. The only way to ensure peace long-term is to be prepared for the possibility of war. If you aren't prepared for war, you could find yourself having lost the battle without firing a shot.

It's not about trying to gain the respect of the US, because you get that by being an ally, not an adversary. It's about being a country. Nobody can really claim to be a country if they cannot adequately defend their borders.

Right now it might not seem that there are any threats to ourselves as a nation, but one cannot know the future and if there is ever a threat it's not going to go away just because we're "nice".

So is Luxembourg not a country?

You can't spend billions dollars and justify it by saying something could happen in the future, of course something could happen in the future, aliens could invade and nukes may not affect their space ships, so we will still get invaded and waste money on nukes we don't need. Unless you can justify spending money with a realstic scernario, you are being wasteful, spending billions on something that may happen in the far future is wasteful.

Seriously the very fact Canada borders the US will ensure that no country will even consider invading Canada, so there is no need to build nukes when there is psychological deterrent right there. Unless the US has a coup and becomes a military dictatorship and invades Canada (which is unlikely), there is no way foreseeable way Canada will be invaded and if the US invades Canada, we're screwed no matter what.