this is definitly not an end to a trilogy

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't want Whedon anywhere near an X-Men film...

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I don't want Whedon anywhere near an X-Men film...

 

[N_z0]

I don't want Whedon anywhere near an X-Men film...

I was of the same mindset before but after seeing what we got from Ratner and the two "FAN" writers *snort*, we were definitely better off with another writing/directing team. Even if it is from Whedon.

 

[La_She-Beast]

I don't want Whedon anywhere near an X-Men film...

Why?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Why?

Because, like Vaughn, I don't like his ideas for how he'd handle the film.

First of all; I don't like his screen writing. I don't like Buffy, or Angel, or any of those WB shows of his. He was involved with Alien Resurrection, and we all know about that. I don't like his contributions to X-Men that were kept (the "you're a dick" isn't totally horrible, though totally unneccesary, but the "do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning" never had a chance, I don't care how he intended it)

And 2nd of all; he wanted Phoenix to magically rise in her green and yellow uniform off the bat (where she would have gotten it, who the hell knows), and he didn't want to introduce any new characters, that means no Beast, no Angel, etc. These are X-Men films, there are TOO MANY vital characters that deserve a shot to NOT introduce new characters in the new movies. It's bad enough that vital characters like Gambit still never made the cut, but then under Whedon, we never would have had Beast or Angel either (yes, Angel's role could have and SHOULD HAVE been more than it was, but I'd still rather have a little bit of Angel than no Angel at all)

I won't debate his comic book writing, because I haven't read it (although the cure plot in X-Men: The Last Stand is my favorite concept of the 3 movies, and I know that came from his run on the comics).

But as far as his on screen work goes, I don't approve, and nor do I approve of his ideas that he presented for X-Men 3.

 

[La_She-Beast]

I won't debate his comic book writing, because I haven't read it (although the cure plot in X-Men: The Last Stand is my favorite concept of the 3 movies, and I know that came from his run on the comics).

Yeah that's why I was asking. I thought he did an original job in Astonishing X-Men, with the cure subject(. not exactly the best evah, evah but you know what I mean)

But as far as his on screen work goes, I don't approve, and nor do I approve of his ideas that he presented for X-Men 3.

All that info you told me I had no idea. It surprising, though.

 

[Seen]

Greetings,

To be truthful, I thought both films were lackluster dissapointments on many levels. Neither really did the source material justice, leaving me with an "elseworld" feeling after both theatrical experiences. However, I did find a few elements of X3 mildly entertaining, while SR utterly bored me to tears (which is interesting because I found both of Singer's X-films thoroughly engaging).

So the only real "battle" won this year between the CBMs was that of the box office--and the victor obviously is X3. But in my opinion, neither film won the "war".

And I think we as fans lost a lot on both fronts.

Hey, I get you. I didn't like X3, but loved Superman Returns, but I can still understand why you'd think SR was underwhelming.

Honestly, I think the next two years will be far better for comic-book movies. We have Spider-Man 3, The Dark Knight and Iron Man for starters. All three with talented directors at the helm, and at least two with proven material and a great cast. It should be great.

 

[La_She-Beast]

But the incredible Hulk sequel... *sniff* it's looking bad, bad

 

[Seen]

Because, like Vaughn, I don't like his ideas for how he'd handle the film.

First of all; I don't like his screen writing. I don't like Buffy, or Angel, or any of those WB shows of his. He was involved with Alien Resurrection, and we all know about that. I don't like his contributions to X-Men that were kept (the "you're a dick" isn't totally horrible, though totally unneccesary, but the "do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning" never had a chance, I don't care how he intended it)

And 2nd of all; he wanted Phoenix to magically rise in her green and yellow uniform off the bat (where she would have gotten it, who the hell knows), and he didn't want to introduce any new characters, that means no Beast, no Angel, etc. These are X-Men films, there are TOO MANY vital characters that deserve a shot to NOT introduce new characters in the new movies. It's bad enough that vital characters like Gambit still never made the cut, but then under Whedon, we never would have had Beast or Angel either (yes, Angel's role could have and SHOULD HAVE been more than it was, but I'd still rather have a little bit of Angel than no Angel at all)

I won't debate his comic book writing, because I haven't read it (although the cure plot in X-Men: The Last Stand is my favorite concept of the 3 movies, and I know that came from his run on the comics).

But as far as his on screen work goes, I don't approve, and nor do I approve of his ideas that he presented for X-Men 3.

Where did you hear the stuff about Whedon? Any links?

 

[Seen]

But the incredible Hulk sequel... *sniff* it's looking bad, bad

That's why I didn't mention it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Where did you hear the stuff about Whedon? Any links?

They were posted on here during the directorial musical chairs.

I don't remember if it was before, during, or after Vaughn's announcement / departure, but there were some interviews with Whedon discussing what he would have done, as he was originally in consideration.

I'll see if I can find some links.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Here's the part about not wanting to introduce new characters:

Latino Review: What would you have done different if you would have been in charge of X-men 3?
Joss Whedon: You know I don’t really know what their doing, I’m sure its got a lot of critics, particularly me, but the one thing, and I’ve said this before, they were pitching me all these new characters they were going to have, and I was amazed by that because I was like...what about all the characters you already have? After Serenity, I’ve had the giant ensemble cast, which I just thought I would go backwards and tear it down. You’ve got phoenix, wolverine, professor X, you’ve got so many great characters already; I would just concentrate on them. it doesn’t mean they won’t do great stuff with 3, but...​

Link: http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2005/universal/serenity/joss-interview.html​

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And another:

Take the case of the currently shooting X-Men 3, which Whedon was in the running for as helmer at one point.
“Honestly, I don’t even think I would have had [the character of] the Beast in my movie,” he says of the film, which would seem to feature a cast of thousands. “I think that if I was doing X-Men 3 I would be much more concerned with the nine famous and talented people they already have. I just made a movie trying to juggle a lot of characters. Adding more frightens me beyond measure.”

Link: http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/2148/2

 

[javon]

Hey, I get you. I didn't like X3, but loved Superman Returns, but I can still understand why you'd think SR was underwhelming.

Honestly, I think the next two years will be far better for comic-book movies. We have Spider-Man 3, The Dark Knight and Iron Man for starters. All three with talented directors at the helm, and at least two with proven material and a great cast. It should be great.

I didn't know they were coming out with an IM movie? As for Dark Knight, I don't know what that is. Who's directing the two?

 

[La_She-Beast]

“Honestly, I don’t even think I would have had [the character of] the Beast in my movie,” ”

Touché.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I can't find the one about the Phoenix costume though.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hi Nell. He really said that? ... lol... hmmm

 

[javon]

Who said that? Someone on here?

 

[Seen]

Wow, I'm lovin' Whedon's comments. That's exactly what I would've done.

 

[ntcrawler]

JeanGrey12, here's another reason why X3 fails to end the trilogy:

Here's another promise / prophecy that was not fulfilled:

The last scene in X1 between Charles and Erik in the prison.

Erik: "The War is coming, Charles. And I intend to fight it by any means necessary"

Which clearly means that one day there will be a great conflict, and Magneto intends to be part of the action fighting on behalf of his cause.

So where's that war? What happened to it? We never got to see that war!

Well? X3 was obviously not that war. That was just a little raid on a pharmateucital company organized by Magneto. So where's the war he bragged would come some day? We're clearly building up to that conflict, tensions are rising, but nothing ever exploded to start that war in the 1st three films.

Therefore, X3 CANNOT be an end to the trilogy since it didn't even complete such a major, critical portion of the story.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

I kno... lets make a frecking sequal or prequal like little lucas did

 

[gap5ewl]

Because, like Vaughn, I don't like his ideas for how he'd handle the film.

First of all; I don't like his screen writing. I don't like Buffy, or Angel, or any of those WB shows of his. He was involved with Alien Resurrection, and we all know about that. I don't like his contributions to X-Men that were kept (the "you're a dick" isn't totally horrible, though totally unneccesary, but the "do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning" never had a chance, I don't care how he intended it)

And 2nd of all; he wanted Phoenix to magically rise in her green and yellow uniform off the bat (where she would have gotten it, who the hell knows), and he didn't want to introduce any new characters, that means no Beast, no Angel, etc. These are X-Men films, there are TOO MANY vital characters that deserve a shot to NOT introduce new characters in the new movies. It's bad enough that vital characters like Gambit still never made the cut, but then under Whedon, we never would have had Beast or Angel either (yes, Angel's role could have and SHOULD HAVE been more than it was, but I'd still rather have a little bit of Angel than no Angel at all)

I won't debate his comic book writing, because I haven't read it (although the cure plot in X-Men: The Last Stand is my favorite concept of the 3 movies, and I know that came from his run on the comics).

But as far as his on screen work goes, I don't approve, and nor do I approve of his ideas that he presented for X-Men 3.

You know come to think of it, I think Vaughn would've been a better choice then Ratner. He seemed to question authority more (hence his dropping from the project) and, I think he would've given us something similar to Singers movies. Fox knew X3 was screwed and that they had little time to make a quality pic so they went for the quantity. Vaughn was thrown out and they brought in Ratner who was a perfect puppet and would give them a quanity movie. In other words, since there was little time, fox just rushed production, made it to a mindless action movie (well almost mindless), and went a-wall with the promotion. I think thats also why they had jackman and berry front and center because both of them are the biggest stars out of the cast and would bring more money in and despite our unhappiness with it, it did work. So I think we should put the blame on singer for all this really.. he left to make superman (which wasnt even that impressive), and left x3 in serious trouble. At least x3 wasnt that bad (despite cyclops small role, wolverine hogging the screen, and the short length).

 

[gap5ewl]

..oh and no phoenix effect

 

[ntcrawler]

So I think we should put the blame on singer for all this really.. he left to make superman (which wasnt even that impressive), and left x3 in serious trouble. At least x3 wasnt that bad (despite cyclops small role, wolverine hogging the screen, and the short length).

Singer didn't leave in order to screw over the franchise. Singer left because they wouldn't LET him make an X3. He was on the roster but had no project to do because management wouldn't let him do it. It's FOX's fault for building things up to the point that Singer had to leave. The rest is domino's

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

JeanGrey12, here's another reason why X3 fails to end the trilogy:

Here's another promise / prophecy that was not fulfilled:

The last scene in X1 between Charles and Erik in the prison.

Erik: "The War is coming, Charles. And I intend to fight it by any means necessary"

Which clearly means that one day there will be a great conflict, and Magneto intends to be part of the action fighting on behalf of his cause.

So where's that war? What happened to it? We never got to see that war!

Well? X3 was obviously not that war. That was just a little raid on a pharmateucital company organized by Magneto. So where's the war he bragged would come some day? We're clearly building up to that conflict, tensions are rising, but nothing ever exploded to start that war in the 1st three films.

Therefore, X3 CANNOT be an end to the trilogy since it didn't even complete such a major, critical portion of the story.

Well, in essence, that was the war, because there was more to it than a skirmish on Alcatraz.

Magneto has predicted this war since God knows when... he had his attempt to force mutants into power in X-Men, and it didn't work. The domino effect from that caused Stryker's actions in X2, and to Magneto, that was really the declaration of war, moreso than the cure. After the events of X2, we actually see Magneto starting his "war" with the terrorist attacks that Trask mentions in X-Men: The Last Stand, which in turn got the government involved in the campaign against Magneto. And it was really Magneto's terrorist organization that got the cure turned into a weapon, and got the United States military involved.

I mean, do we really need missles being launched from naval ships, and air strikes from jets and all of that for a war? We had a conflict on a national level, that got the government and the military involved in the fight against Magneto. That conflict just ended up on Alcatraz Island.

The Alcatraz battle was very much the war. That, along with everything leading up to it. You have to understand, this was Magneto's war, he was going to bring this war upon himself if he had to.