This May Be Your Show, But This Is MY Wrestling Thread! - Part 242

[famicommander]

I'm not worried about AJ Styles. He'll get the WWE Title back, besides the US Title is being booked as the more important of the two titles anyways.

AJ has a unique bit of leverage in that he's already a well known MAJOR star in NJPW, ROH, Impact, RevPro, etc.

If WWE doesn't keep him at least somewhat happy he can pretty much walk into any other promotion in the world and be the top guy, and the increased notoriety he gained from his WWE run would help boost a competitor's profile significantly.

It's what will probably happen when Bryan Danielson's WWE contract expires too.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, he only won it once.

What?

 

[TheCommissioner]

AJ has a unique bit of leverage in that he's already a well known MAJOR star in NJPW, ROH, Impact, RevPro, etc.

If WWE doesn't keep him at least somewhat happy he can pretty much walk into any other promotion in the world and be the top guy, and the increased notoriety he gained from his WWE run would help boost a competitor's profile significantly.

It's what will probably happen when Bryan Danielson's WWE contract expires too.

even though he shouldn't

he'll make more sitting behind the desk at Talking Smack and doing Total Bellas than he ever will going to NJPW or ROH, and he's got a kid to think about now

honestly, him getting back in the ring would be selfish IMO

 

[famicommander]

even though he shouldn't

he'll make more sitting behind the desk at Talking Smack and doing Total Bellas than he ever will going to NJPW or ROH, and he's got a kid to think about now

honestly, him getting back in the ring would be selfish IMO

Every single doctor he's seen has cleared him except the one on Vince McMahon's payroll. WWE is just hypersensitive about not getting sued right now.

Danielson has indicated that he understands the risks, that he thinks he is healthy enough to continue wrestling, and that he is willing to adjust to a new in-ring style that minimizes the risk of further head injuries.

The man wants to wrestle. If he wants to wrestle, doctors are willing to clear him, people are willing to pay to see him, and a promotion is willing to book him... why not?

This isn't a case of a guy just going to as many doctors as possible until ONE tells him what he wants to hear. This is a case where every single doctor he has seen is telling him one thing, and the ones working for a billionaire trying not to get sued say another.

 

[Wylie Times]

I don't see it.

To be fair a lot of fans didn't see it with Baron Corbin or Braun Strowman either.

 

[famicommander]

What?

You responded to a post that said they took the belt off AJ Styles to let Cena tie Flair. You said that they then put the belt back on him... but they didn't. AJ Styles won the WWE Championship once, lost it, and has not regained it.

 

[Wylie Times]

AJ has a unique bit of leverage in that he's already a well known MAJOR star in NJPW, ROH, Impact, RevPro, etc.

If WWE doesn't keep him at least somewhat happy he can pretty much walk into any other promotion in the world and be the top guy, and the increased notoriety he gained from his WWE run would help boost a competitor's profile significantly.

It's what will probably happen when Bryan Danielson's WWE contract expires too.

AJ's not going anywhere....and there's nothing to indicate that he's unhappy.

He's wrestling on the biggest stage in the world and is making more money than he ever has in his career. Think about the stuff AJ put up with in TNA for not even half the money. WWE hasn't done anything with AJ approaching the garbage TNA did with him and they're paying him significantly more.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think that WWE will be AJ's last promotion as I don't think he'll wrestle when he's 50. Besides, when he does hang it up, he'll probably serve as a producer for the company or a coach in NXT.

The only way I see Bryan leaving the WWE when his contract is over is if he is 100% certain he won't suffer anymore concussions and he has full 100% support of Brie Bella and I highly doubt that Brie Bella wants to sever ties with the WWE and Bryan going back to ROH or even to New Japan would do that.

 

[Dr. Evil]

You responded to a post that said they took the belt off AJ Styles to let Cena tie Flair. You said that they then put the belt back on him... but they didn't. AJ Styles won the WWE Championship once, lost it, and has not regained it.

AJ will get the title back. You just don't want him to ever lose the title.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Every single doctor he's seen has cleared him except the one on Vince McMahon's payroll. WWE is just hypersensitive about not getting sued right now.

Danielson has indicated that he understands the risks, that he thinks he is healthy enough to continue wrestling, and that he is willing to adjust to a new in-ring style that minimizes the risk of further head injuries.

The man wants to wrestle. If he wants to wrestle, doctors are willing to clear him, people are willing to pay to see him, and a promotion is willing to book him... why not?

This isn't a case of a guy just going to as many doctors as possible until ONE tells him what he wants to hear. This is a case where every single doctor he has seen is telling him one thing, and the ones working for a billionaire trying not to get sued say another.

because he doesn't need to and has a family to think about now

AJ will get the title back. You just don't want him to ever lose the title.

AJ has that belt back before the end of this year, Id say

 

[famicommander]

AJ's not going anywhere....and there's nothing to indicate that he's unhappy.

He's wrestling on the biggest stage in the world and is making more money than he ever has in his career. Think about the stuff AJ put up with in TNA for not even half the money. WWE hasn't done anything with AJ approaching the garbage TNA did with him and they're paying him significantly more.

TNA put him in the main event of their flagship PPV more than once. WWE put him in there with the CEO's middle aged son who wasn't good 20 years ago in a throwaway match in the middle of an excruciating 7 hour card.

When he's in NJPW, what is he doing at Wrestle Kingdom? Having epic matches with Shinsuke Nakamura.

When he's in ROH, what is he doing at Final Battle? Main eventing with Jay Lethal.

AJ Styles vs Shane McMahon is worse than ANYTHING that ever happened to him in ROH, TNA, or NJPW.

AJ Styles in TNA:
-First ever Grand Slam Champion, only person to complete the Grand Slam twice
-First ever Triple Crown Champion, only person to complete the Triple Crown more than once, did it FIVE TIMES
-2X TNA World Heavyweight Champion
-3X NWA-TNA World Heavyweight Champion
-6X and inaugural TNA X-Division Champion
-2X TNA World Tag Team Champion
-4X NWA-TNA World Tag Team Champion
-2X TNA Television Champion
-Won every men's title in the promotion at least twice
-Pinned Kurt Angle, Jeff Jarrett (3X), and Bully Ray clean for world titles, including in multiman matches with Raven and Sting

AJ Styles left TNA for one reason: Dixie Carter asked him to take a paycut. That's it. He was treated better than anybody in the history of that promotion. But Dixie's rich daddy cut her off and she ran out of money.

I never said AJ Styles was unhappy in WWE. I said that he has leverage if he ever BECAME unhappy.

 

[famicommander]

AJ will get the title back. You just don't want him to ever lose the title.

What does what I want have to do with anything?

I was just correcting a factual error. He said AJ had already gotten it back, and he hasn't.

 

[Dr. Evil]

While Bryan going back to the Indies would be good if he changes his style, his marriage to Brie may cause him to reconsider as I said earlier that I doubt that Brie wants to sever ties with the WWE.

Also, what if Brie wants to return to the WWE in the ring as a WWE Superstar after she gives birth? That's going to be too difficult to do if Bryan was to compete for ROH and New Japan. What if by Survivor Series, Brie returns to a WWE ring? His wife's desire to return to a WWE ring could cause Bryan to stay in the WWE and sign a new deal.

 

[famicommander]

While Bryan going back to the Indies would be good if he changes his style, his marriage to Brie may cause him to reconsider as I said earlier that I doubt that Brie wants to sever ties with the WWE.

Also, what if Brie wants to return to the WWE in the ring as a WWE Superstar after she gives birth? That's going to be too difficult to do if Bryan was to compete for ROH and New Japan. What if by Survivor Series, Brie returns to a WWE ring? His wife's desire to return to a WWE ring could cause Bryan to stay in the WWE and sign a new deal.

Magnus is working Impact while his wife (Mickie James) works WWE.
Alberto El Paton is working Impact while his fiancee is in WWE.

WWE doesn't care who your spouse works for.

 

[TheVileOne]

Daniel Bryan should never step into a ring again. He was hiding the fact that he was getting seizures.

He's not going to alter his style. He wouldn't alter his style after he started getting injuries and concussions in WWE. For example, he wouldn't stop doing a DIVING FREAKING HEADBUTT.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Magnus is working Impact while his wife (Mickie James) works WWE.
Alberto El Paton is working Impact while his fiancee is in WWE.

WWE doesn't care who your spouse works for.

I know that you hate everything about the WWE these days, but I have got to ask you an honest question:

- If the WWE was to die due to another drug scandal, how would you feel about it? Would you be happy that the WWE is dead? Or would you be upset?

IMO, if the WWE was to die because of another drug scandal like their was a decade ago, it would be bad for the Industry as a whole in North America. It affects Impact, ROH, Beyond, WWN Live, and every Indy promotion in the US if that was to happen. Pro Wrestling would cease to exist in the US if the WWE was to die off due to another major scandal. I do hope you feel the same way I do in that the death of the WWE due to another major scandal would destroy Pro Wrestling in the US.

Can we agree at least with that?

 

[famicommander]

I don't want WWE to die at all. I don't want any of those wrestlers to lose their jobs. I'd rather see the product improve, and it has in some ways, but they're still promoting a vision of wrestling that actively impedes my enjoyment, both in the product they put out and the effect that it has on other promotions.

But if it did die, I disagree that it would destroy pro wrestling in the US. WWE is not growing in the US. Europe, Asia, Latin America are another story but their popularity in the US is in sharp decline.

The only brands in the US that are growing are the ones that are currently going out of their way to differentiate themselves from WWE: Ring of Honor and New Japan.

WWE is currently orders of magnitude more popular and may well be forever, but the fact that ROH and NJPW are profitable and expanding in the US shows that there is a market for wrestling outside of WWE. We're just seeing it now because competent business people are in charge of rival promotions rather than Dixie Carter, Paul Heyman (love the guy but he's not good with money), or Eric Bischoff.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You responded to a post that said they took the belt off AJ Styles to let Cena tie Flair. You said that they then put the belt back on him... but they didn't. AJ Styles won the WWE Championship once, lost it, and has not regained it.

Yes, and I was saying if that was the only reason, they should have put the belt back on him at the Chamber...

 

[Dr. Evil]

I don't want WWE to die at all. I don't want any of those wrestlers to lose their jobs. I'd rather see the product improve, and it has in some ways, but they're still promoting a vision of wrestling that actively impedes my enjoyment, both in the product they put out and the effect that it has on other promotions.

But if it did die, I disagree that it would destroy pro wrestling in the US. WWE is not growing in the US. Europe, Asia, Latin America are another story but their popularity in the US is in sharp decline.

The only brands in the US that are growing are the ones that are currently going out of their way to differentiate themselves from WWE: Ring of Honor and New Japan.

WWE is currently orders of magnitude more popular and may well be forever, but the fact that ROH and NJPW are profitable and expanding in the US shows that there is a market for wrestling outside of WWE. We're just seeing it now because competent business people are in charge of rival promotions rather than Dixie Carter, Paul Heyman (love the guy but he's not good with money), or Eric Bischoff.

If the WWE dies due to a drug scandal, nobody will want to be associated with pro wrestling in America anymore because then Pro Wrestling will be associated with massive amounts of drugs.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Damn, it'll be a decade in June since the Summer of Hell for the WWE: The Chris Benoit Scandal and the mass drug suspensions.

I wonder how much pressure there was for Dwayne Johnson from his own people to sever ties with the WWE for good back then.

 

[famicommander]

If the WWE dies due to a drug scandal, nobody will want to be associated with pro wrestling in America anymore because then Pro Wrestling will be associated with massive amounts of drugs.

Pure speculation based on an unlikely hypothetical.

I don't think the kind of people that are into ROH or NJPW would be scared away by another wrestling scandal. Anybody that has followed wrestling for any amount of time is very familiar with tragedy and scandal. WWE or otherwise.

 

[famicommander]

Yes, and I was saying if that was the only reason, they should have put the belt back on him at the Chamber...

I can see now how you meant it, but what you wrote does not say that:
"But then put it back on him at the Chamber."

That reads as a past-tense statement rather than a present progressive suggestion.

 

[Dr. Evil]

And some of us who are still WWE fans are used to seeing crap on TV:

So those of us who are fans of both are used to it.

(and yes, the NFL can be crap on TV)

Hell, the NFL has their own version of Roman Reigns.....and Mojo Rawley.

And yet for some reason, we keep watching the NFL and WWE.

 

[Wylie Times]

TNA put him in the main event of their flagship PPV more than once. WWE put him in there with the CEO's middle aged son who wasn't good 20 years ago in a throwaway match in the middle of an excruciating 7 hour card.

When he's in NJPW, what is he doing at Wrestle Kingdom? Having epic matches with Shinsuke Nakamura.

When he's in ROH, what is he doing at Final Battle? Main eventing with Jay Lethal.

AJ Styles vs Shane McMahon is worse than ANYTHING that ever happened to him in ROH, TNA, or NJPW.

AJ Styles in TNA:
-First ever Grand Slam Champion, only person to complete the Grand Slam twice
-First ever Triple Crown Champion, only person to complete the Triple Crown more than once, did it FIVE TIMES
-2X TNA World Heavyweight Champion
-3X NWA-TNA World Heavyweight Champion
-6X and inaugural TNA X-Division Champion
-2X TNA World Tag Team Champion
-4X NWA-TNA World Tag Team Champion
-2X TNA Television Champion
-Won every men's title in the promotion at least twice
-Pinned Kurt Angle, Jeff Jarrett (3X), and Bully Ray clean for world titles, including in multiman matches with Raven and Sting

AJ Styles left TNA for one reason: Dixie Carter asked him to take a paycut. That's it. He was treated better than anybody in the history of that promotion. But Dixie's rich daddy cut her off and she ran out of money.

I never said AJ Styles was unhappy in WWE. I said that he has leverage if he ever BECAME unhappy.

Seriously?

I guess you must have forgotten about the time TNA had AJ dress up as a damn turkey. Or how about that reverse Battle Royal? Remember the whole Claire Lynch Storyline?

Saying that AJ styles vs Shane McMahon is worse than anything that happened in him in TNA is just flat out untrue.

Half the time AJ was in TNA all people did was complain how TNA mistreated him.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So I hear that the NFL's version of Roman Reigns did not show up at the White House but the NFL's Mojo Rawley crashed the White House Press Briefing.