The Amazing Spider-Man This movie NEEDS the real spider-man

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[spider-neil]

Go watch the ironman movies, go watch TDK. Embracing the source material full throttle and just going with it without compomising the character and his unierse with crappy dialogue, an overall boring execution of storytelling and adding a whole bunch of crap that have no business being in the moies and wooden acting with a sinful lack of any charisma what so ever from the lead character and don't get me started with the use of cg.

I thought SM2 was better than IM and crushes IM2.

 

[©KAW]

That video annoyed the living hell out of me. I'm really trying to understand the strategic model behind making these spider-man movies because when you have stuff like what the guy was doing in the clip, why on earth were we getting lame cg to substitute what some capable stuntmen can do?

People may dislike me for saying this but I'm glad Raimi's gone because his style for the spidey movies were tragic and simply cannot compete with the new standards set by other comic book movies.

This is SPIDER-MAN. Of all the comic book heroes out there, watching him on screen has to be the most impressive thing one has ever seen. The reality is, by comparison, spider-man makes Damien Walters look like an amateur but the skill Walters has would be more than enough to creatively and successfully bring spidey to life. We NEED to see such skill and agility in this next movie.

Sony! Stop wasting money on crap and start investing in entities that will better your product. It's basic business sense and it's a whole lot cheaper. Why do we need to explain this to you!?

Because Sam Raimi is a lazy, mediocre and uncreative director, I've been saying this for 10 years now. And Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin are fake ass producers, who know nothing about Spider-Man, they only want their names on the films to collect a percentage from the movies. Sadly, those two so-called producers are returning for the reboot. God help us all, Marc Webb better be the Golden Child if he's going to deliver.

 

[MrSpyder]

There was always talk about adding parkour to Spidey's movements, just to see him use the city as his concrete jungle. This is a taste of how it should be done

 

[spider-neil]

Because Sam Raimi is a lazy, mediocre and uncreative director,

nonsense.

 

[©KAW]

How is it nonsense, when we're looking at a man, with no powers, in real life, doing Spider-Man-like abilities that looks better than anything in all three of Raimi's films?

 

[spider-neil]

How is it nonsense, when we're looking at a man, with no powers, in real life, doing Spider-Man-like abilities that looks better than anything in all three of Raimi's films?

you said 'Sam Raimi is a lazy, mediocre and uncreative director' and I don't think that's true at all.

 

[Dragon]

How is it nonsense, when we're looking at a man, with no powers, in real life, doing Spider-Man-like abilities that looks better than anything in all three of Raimi's films?

Well, you answered your own question. A man with no powers can do this. In fact, MANY PEOPLE can. And Spider-Man should be able to do things no human can. Granted. I've always argued that too much CGI has been used in the Spidey films. But you guys making like simply using an acrobat would be enough is as bad an idea as anything you're accusing Raimi of.

And further, your saying that use of CGI is lazy is rificulous. CG animation is extremely time-consuming and difficult. It'd be much easier to simply film a guy doing somersaults than to animate it.

 

[Doc Ock]

Thats...Mr. Walters is INSANE! *faints*

 

[©KAW]

Well, you answered your own question. A man with no powers can do this. In fact, MANY PEOPLE can. And Spider-Man should be able to do things no human can. Granted. I've always argued that too much CGI has been used in the Spidey films. But you guys making like simply using an acrobat would be enough is as bad an idea as anything you're accusing Raimi of.

And further, your saying that use of CGI is lazy is rificulous. CG animation is extremely time-consuming and difficult. It'd be much easier to simply film a guy doing somersaults than to animate it.

The fact is, they've spent 100s of millions of dollars making Spider-Man, and none of the CGI or the stuntmen that they've hired, has capture the movement of Spider-Man like this guy in the video. That's f'ing pathetic if you ask me.

And that's just the point, in key scenes, maybe it would look a hell of a lot better to film a man with these kinds of skills, doing some insane Spider-Man-like acrobatics. Mix it with camera tricks, slow-mo, or even speed it up if need be. This guy makes the acrobats in Raimi's films (stuntmen or CGI) look amateurish.

I get how time-consuming CGI is, but if it looks like horrible crap when you're done, what's the use (you suck SONY IMAGEWORKS) if a man like the one in the video, can capture a better presence of Spider-Man's acrobatic movements?

 

[©KAW]

you said 'Sam Raimi is a lazy, mediocre and uncreative director' and I don't think that's true at all.

Fine, I do.

 

[Dragon]

The fact is, they've spent 100s of millions of dollars making Spider-Man, and none of the CGI or the stuntmen that they've hired, has capture the movement of Spider-Man like this guy in the video. That's f'ing pathetic if you ask me.

And that's just the point, in key scenes, maybe it would look a hell of a lot better to film a man with these kinds of skills, doing some insane Spider-Man-like acrobatics. Mix it with camera tricks, slow-mo, or even speed it up if need be. This guy makes the acrobats in Raimi's films (stuntmen or CGI) look amateurish.

I get how time-consuming CGI is, but if it looks like horrible crap when you're done, what's the use (you suck SONY IMAGEWORKS) if a man like the one in the video, can capture a better presence of Spider-Man's acrobatic movements?

First off, what this guy is doing, while certainly very cool, doesn't look like how Spider-Man should move.

Secondly, that you guys are making it like THIS ONE GUY has this ability says ya need to get out more. I've been seeing acrobats since the 70's that can do not only this but more than this guy is doing. Hell, guys like this were inspired by guys like Jackie Chan.

As I've said, far more stunt work should've been done in the Spidey films. And there were instances when the CG (like the armored car robbery) looked like crap. But it isn't like everything in the Spidey films was bad. There was in fact alot that was great.

So, sure. as I'd said earlier- I think the way to go is to film everything physically possible with a human first. Then use CG to fill in the blanks. I mean sheesh- when you're talking about a CG spidey just to show him running or making a short leap, you're going too far.

 

[©KAW]

Correction, what we see in the Spider-Man movies doesn't look like Spider-Man, just a poorly contructed wet clay looking figure, that's horribly blended with the background and the actual stuntman--who can't seem to capture Spider-Man's movements to save his life.

Chackie Chan, while great, is more martial arts oriented in his movements, this guy is doing insane acrobatics that we see Spider-Man doing in the comics (over cars and on rooftops and such), without the influence of martial arts.

Yeah, I'll give you the train scene, but everything else is pretty much beneath what I'm seeing in this video. There's no way you can say he wouldn't be a great asset to the production if he was hired.

I once heard Steven Spielberg say something to the effect of, "CGI should be used as a tool, not a crutch to tell a story." So I agree with you in that regard, they use CGI is Spider-Man much too often when it's not needed, and most of the time when it is needed, it just looks really bad.

We need stuntmen/daredevils like the one in this video, contortionists and a few people from Cirque Du Soleil. Most importantly, a much better CGI/VFX company is needed, so that when they do use CGI, it doesn't make Spider-Man look like a badly programmed wet clay figure.

 

[Dragon]

Jackie Chan's stuntwork has nothing to do with martial arts. It is jumping off of roofs, over cars and so forth. Look at his films starting from 26 years ago, with "Dragon Lord" and "Project A", where he allows himself to drop several stories in a single camera set-up. If anything, folks like myself think he needs to do more martial arts than he does. But he was way-way ahead of guys like the one mentioned in this thread.

As for better CGI, that studio doesn't exist. No one does realisitic CGI, especially with humans. It's the nature of the beast. But some CG is still beter than others.

 

[TheSlag]

That scene where he's putting on his clothes while doing some insane acrobatics, just imagine a scene like that in Spider-Man, where Peter is putting his street clothes back on, just before walking calmly out of an alley way. Or talking off his street clothes to swiftly become Spider-Man. That's freakin' creative!

My thoughts exactly upon viewing that.

 

[TheSlag]

The fact is, they've spent 100s of millions of dollars making Spider-Man, and none of the CGI or the stuntmen that they've hired, has capture the movement of Spider-Man like this guy in the video. That's f'ing pathetic if you ask me.

And that's just the point, in key scenes, maybe it would look a hell of a lot better to film a man with these kinds of skills, doing some insane Spider-Man-like acrobatics. Mix it with camera tricks, slow-mo, or even speed it up if need be. This guy makes the acrobats in Raimi's films (stuntmen or CGI) look amateurish.

I get how time-consuming CGI is, but if it looks like horrible crap when you're done, what's the use (you suck SONY IMAGEWORKS) if a man like the one in the video, can capture a better presence of Spider-Man's acrobatic movements?

Totally agree. A good example of how this type of abilities could of been used in place of the CGI was the armored car robbery scene with "Gumby" CGI Spidey in SM1.

 

[spider-neil]

the end swing in SM
the clocktower train fight
totally capture spidey imho, there is all a bit in SM2 where spidey is fighting ock in the bank and he jumps on the chandelier and then flips onto the wall, that move was amazing

 

[Dragon]

Go watch the ironman movies, go watch TDK. Embracing the source material full throttle and just going with it without compomising the character and his unierse with crappy dialogue, an overall boring execution of storytelling and adding a whole bunch of crap that have no business being in the moies and wooden acting with a sinful lack of any charisma what so ever from the lead character and don't get me started with the use of cg.

Those films don't embrace the source material anymore than the Spidey films. And to be clear- there isn't an action scene in TDK or either Iron Man film that compares with any of the fights with Ock, the first fight with Harry or even the first Sandman fight.

 

[Ajendo]

It'd be much easier to simply film a guy doing somersaults than to animate it.

Then why didn't he? If any comic book character should be utilising acrobatics extensively, it's spider-man and seeing spidey's reportoir of skills was half-assed.

 

[©KAW]

Jackie Chan's stuntwork has nothing to do with martial arts. It is jumping off of roofs, over cars and so forth. Look at his films starting from 26 years ago, with "Dragon Lord" and "Project A", where he allows himself to drop several stories in a single camera set-up. If anything, folks like myself think he needs to do more martial arts than he does. But he was way-way ahead of guys like the one mentioned in this thread.

Then freakin' get Jackie Chan. Better yet, hire both of them, and then they simply can't fail.

As for better CGI, that studio doesn't exist. No one does realisitic CGI, especially with humans. It's the nature of the beast. But some CG is still beter than others.

You damn right it is. And I'm asking to get one of those companies whom are better than Sony Imageworks, which is mostly every freakin' one. Why must Spider-Man settle for the bottom of the barrel?

 

[Doc Ock]

Why must Spider-Man settle for the bottom of the barrel?

Its quite simple, Sony is ******ed.

 

[david icke]

They hired pioneering , legendary sfx man John Dystraka to be in charge of the Spider-man sfx, that is far from '******ed'.
they got the feeling of Spider-man swinging through the city in action frickin' perfect when he was chasing Papajohn in SM1. I don't imagine anyone could have done that better.

 

[spider-neil]

I want to see spidey do amazing stuff in normal surroundings. imagine for instance peter is walking down a corridor, turns to the wall and starts crawling up the wall. no funky camera tracks just a camera pointing at peter as he does the impossible. There was only one time in three movies where it actually felt like spidey was wall crawling and that was when he crawled down the side of the train in SM3, that looks amazing (at lest it did to me).

 

[©KAW]

They hired pioneering , legendary sfx man John Dystraka to be in charge of the Spider-man sfx, that is far from '******ed'.

The problem with this is, John Dykstra didn't have ILM, a much more capable VFX company. It's why the Spider-Man movie's visual effects are now dated after only a few years. It's not the visual effect supervisor, it's the damn company they work for that's the problem.

they got the feeling of Spider-man swinging through the city in action frickin' perfect when he was chasing Papajohn in SM1. I don't imagine anyone could have done that better.

I can, WETA. This is the VFX company who should be working on the new Spider-Man films, and helping to put something amazing on film using 3D. If they were, you would see the difference in quality, big-time.

 

[Dragon]

Then freakin' get Jackie Chan. Better yet, hire both of them, and then they simply can't fail.

Oh. So the movies have made billions of dollars and they've failed?

Look- I have always argued that they should use more stunt work. When, back in 2001 they announced that Spidey would be mostly CG, I wasn't cool with it and said so on these boards. But- i also understand Raimi's point. Spider-Man should not look like a human acrobat. He was never presented that way in the comics and shouldn't be on film. I personally feel that there's a way to achieve that without solely using CG and again- there are times when the CG looks like crap. But there are also times when it looks great. Groundbreaking even.

You damn right it is. And I'm asking to get one of those companies whom are better than Sony Imageworks, which is mostly every freakin' one. Why must Spider-Man settle for the bottom of the barrel?

Dude you're letting your Raimi-hate take you round the bend. Sony Imageworks is a great FX house. No one is doing better. Maybe WETA is a little better, but they have problems too.

Iron Man's CG isn't any better. The Hulk wasn't either. Avatar's characters don't look like living beings. Batman gets a pass only because he doesn't have to move as elaborately as Spidey does, so the CG isn't that hard to pull off. An organic character like Spidey is just tough to realize.

But that having been said, the Spidey movies have been very good movies about a great character. And NO SUPERHERO FILM has had better action than Spidey 2 & 3.