This movie was over before it got started

[claydogg]

Wow! this is most intellegent posting ever!!!

I've been on marvel boards forever telling them the last movie blew!

you wouldn't believe, it.

I had so many people defending the "punisher in Maimi"
And still thought thomas jane was GOD!
and it was a great movie.

I wanted to puke when the one assasin.
in the the punisher in miami movie
Come in the resterant with that guitar and sang about.
killing his family and the punisher sits there and takes it.
like a sissy boy.

The real Frank castle as we all know would shot him as soon as he strummed the first cord on the guitar.
and then finished his breakfast.

the closest Thomas Jane was good as the punisher was the 2004 video game voice over!!

know that game was more true to the punisher than any movie ever was.

Oh yeah I loved the John Travolta pics that was hillarious!!!

 

[Rampage]

Is the Font fetish really necessary?

 

[SWAT]

Oh, he's so dramatic.

I saw the first movie again some days ago... I still like it. The lines still hit and Jane's still the ****.

 

[Savage]

I wanted to puke when the one assasin.
in the the punisher in miami movie
Come in the resterant with that guitar and sang about.
killing his family and the punisher sits there and takes it.
like a sissy boy.

The real Frank castle as we all know would shot him as soon as he strummed the first cord on the guitar.
and then finished his breakfast.

No he wouldn't. Do you even read Punisher comics?

 

[nocomics]

I have to say TJ punisher was kindof weak overall. It had some decent parts and the look was fine,but /shrug it was'nt that good.
I also agree that they really should'nt reboot at all,just another wasted movie plot. Just pick up where 'O4 left off or just do his past via flashbacks,but don't dwell on it..
I know its early but I would love to see punisher v. daredevil,think it be a good way to kickstart DD again..

 

[claydogg]

No he wouldn't. Do you even read Punisher comics?

SAVAGE HERE'S MY reply

YES I DO!! AND The punisher would.
are you seroius?

I've got the punisher fom circle of blood and the 1st issue plus many more. and I just bought the "punisher war journel" world war hulk.

So what are you reading?

let me see I just read "punisher Max"
garth ennis.

in the comic
"the cell" for example. the guards put a guy in there that "is the tuffest guy in rykers" the guard says.

the punisher grabs the guards nightstick.
beats the guard up and splaters the tuff guys brains.

then looks at the other guard and says
"Tell them to bring the 2nd tuffest guy in rykers."

But you must like the kinder gentler punisher in the last movie.

That let assasins threaten him. and takes it like a wimp. and that guy with the butterfly knife he taps on nose is cute too you.

About "Thomas jane" he was good as voice over in the video game 2004
but it's not his fault about "The punisher in Miami."
The video game was more like the punisher.
but you probably don't know who the "kingpin" is.

Nuff said!!!!!!!

 

[claydogg]

Oh, he's so dramatic.

I saw the first movie again some days ago... I still like it. The lines still hit and Jane's still the ****.

I think you mean the movie is s**t.

the movie has 15 minutes in the end where it's o.k.
the rest blows!!!

 

[Savage]

The Punisher kills people he knows that are criminals. He's not going to make the mistake of killing some random guy with a guitat and a smart mouth that he knows nothing about. See in the comic he knew all about Harry Heck and shot him up in his car before he got to him. In the movie it's "okay, who the **** is this weirdo?" Do you really think The Punisher will kill a complete stranger just because he has a smart mouth? Or Joan's boyfriend for that matter. He beat him up and that's all that really needs to be done. Which is really more than even the cop who abused his wife in the comics got. The Punisher just warned him to leave and told him to never come back again.

So yeah, I really don't think you get what The Punisher is all about.

 

[claydogg]

You couldn't more wrong!

In the comics the punisher warzone latest issue

the rhino kills a bank security guard by accident.
the rebarb steel from the concrete kills him

so punisher dosen't care and kills the 2 acomplises for just being there!!

That guy in the movie was abusive and hurt the girl wounds on her body from abuse.
frank would have killed him.
if he didn't kill him even he would mame him.
that scene was lame i can't beleive your defending those scenes.

also do you think frank castle would be around for so long if some clown with guitar sings about killing him and he dosn't have a clue?

So do read any of the punisher comics?

 

[nocomics]

STOP YELLING!!! who cares kill'em all and lot god sort them out...

 

[SWAT]

I think you mean the movie is s**t.

the movie has 15 minutes in the end where it's o.k.
the rest blows!!!

No, that's not what I mean.

 

[Mister Sinister]

Is the Font fetish really necessary?

HEY! That's the 'most intelligent posting ever' you're dissin'

 

[Savage]

You couldn't more wrong!

In the comics the punisher warzone latest issue

the rhino kills a bank security guard by accident.
the rebarb steel from the concrete kills him

so punisher dosen't care and kills the 2 acomplises for just being there!!

That guy in the movie was abusive and hurt the girl wounds on her body from abuse.
frank would have killed him.
if he didn't kill him even he would mame him.
that scene was lame i can't beleive your defending those scenes.

also do you think frank castle would be around for so long if some clown with guitar sings about killing him and he dosn't have a clue?

So do read any of the punisher comics?

You said it yourself. They are accomplices. I don't think I even have to adress this one.

As for the abusive boyfriend *undusts Punisher collection*

Siting from Marvel Knights: The Punisher #22

A police officer has been constantly abusing his wife and the Punisher is even a witness to one of these beatings. When the woman goes to a home for abused women, her husband, the police officer, follows her there to beg her to come home. The following exchange occurs.

Mike Pearse (the officer): Becky! Come outta there! I know you're in there! Becky! Becky, come out!

Shelter woman 1: Go away! We've called the police, they're on their way right now!

Pearse: I am the police! I wanna talk to my wife, you hear me? You send her outta there right friggin' now!

Shelter woman 2: Becky, how did he know how to find you?

Becky: From...last time. Father Billy told him.

Shelter woman 2: And how did father Billy know? Becky the whole point of this place is that men don't know where it is...!

Pearse: In five seconds I am gonna kick this door DUHH

Shelter woman 1: Oh--!

Shelter woman 2: What happened?

Shelter woman 1: I don't know...hold on...It's like one second he was there and then everything went black.

The Punisher (holding Pearse by the neck against the door): Mistake. You shouldn't have come here.

Pearse: AAACCHH--!

Punisher: You've already done enough that I'm finding it hard not to kill you. Leave her alone. Let her live her life.

(Pearse reaches for his gun and The Punisher crushes his hand)

Punisher: Mistake number two.

Pearse: AAAAHH!!

Punisher: Sirens. Three blocks away. Want to explain to them what you're doing here? (Lets him go)

Pearse: Listen-you animal--I am a police officer...!

Punisher: Then go and do some good.

(Pearse reluctantly gets in his car and drives away)



Now don't you even try to tell me that he did not kill him because he was a cop because The Punisher has never shyed away from killing a dirty cop before.

 

[claydogg]

yeah he was a cop in the comic but,

not in the "punisher in miami movie."

 

[Savage]

Yeah, I know the guy wasn't a cop in the movie but all the same, The Punisher needs a really good reason to kill people. He's actually AFRAID of becoming like you describe. There was this point where he killed friggin jaywalkers for christ's sake. That's not who the Punisher is. That was just an example of him at his worse.

 

[claydogg]

come on man do really think I believe the punisher should kill j-walkers?

but the guy in the movie lunged at the punisher with a knife.

and unlike what your comic with the cop is.



His life was theatened by a low life and it would be

the end of that dude!

look at the first thing he does in the punisher 2004 video game.

he kills the scumbags!

 

[Savage]

I know. I have that game. I've beaten it countless times. He kills scumbags who are a bane on this world. Drug dealers and child molesters and such. An abusive boyfriend gets different treatment. The Punisher doesn't care wether his life is threatened or not. He has his own sense of justice that he balances out in his head. Either this person is worthy of death or isn't. He's actually LET people attack him before, believe it or not. If he believes they don't deserve the beating then he just stands there and takes it.

The Punisher's more complicated than you make him seem. He's not a kill crazy monster like other superheroes and civillians like to think.

 

[claydogg]

Well I disagree about the dude in the movie.

but I agree about the cop.

garth ennis has made the punisher more less tolerable to people. so the old school punisher would have let him go.

the new punisher would have killed the scumbag.

also in the movie did you agree when he set up travolta to kill his wife?

sure he (the pun) didn't kill her but he knew what the end result would be.

also he killed in the directors cut of the movie the agent that he worked with, he never tried to kill frank he did let them know were his location was.and the punisher made him commit sucicide
what is your opinion about that?

 

[Colossus24]

Both the agent and Travolta's wife were instrumental in the murders of his family. My only problem with the movie was that he didn't go after the Saints with more viciousness, other than that, I loved the 04 version.

 

[Bubonic]

Bah, the way he went after the Saints was too convoluted for the Frank I've seen.
Going threw all these motions to psychologically torment and terrorize them, fake fire hydrants, weird set ups... Did that ever happen in any of the Punisher runs?
And even if it did, its not the sort of action that epitomizes the character, the man is on a mission, he's got no time to waste on details like that when he can simply get in, kill, and move on to the next scumbags.

The movie was good for the 20 minutes where he went on his Frank style rampage, but Jane's acting was flat, his toughness was far from genuine, the supporting cast was sickening, the antagonist was over the top in a bad way, the setting was wrong, the murder of his family was ridiculous and the setup didn't leave me caring in the least for them...
OooOo he had a skull on his shirt, and even the explanation behind that was laughable and wasn't enough to carry the movie.

 

[Savage]

Well I disagree about the dude in the movie.

but I agree about the cop.

garth ennis has made the punisher more less tolerable to people. so the old school punisher would have let him go.

the new punisher would have killed the scumbag.

also in the movie did you agree when he set up travolta to kill his wife?

sure he (the pun) didn't kill her but he knew what the end result would be.

also he killed in the directors cut of the movie the agent that he worked with, he never tried to kill frank he did let them know were his location was.and the punisher made him commit sucicide
what is your opinion about that?

They were accomplices to murder and deserved punishment. That simple. Punishment does not always mean death. Sometimes it's a beating and "If I ever see you around here again, I'll make it permanent." I don't think he kills everybody that even commits a crime. The Punisher has standards.

 

[Savage]

Bah, the way he went after the Saints was too convoluted for the Frank I've seen.
Going threw all these motions to psychologically torment and terrorize them, fake fire hydrants, weird set ups... Did that ever happen in any of the Punisher runs?
And even if it did, its not the sort of action that epitomizes the character, the man is on a mission, he's got no time to waste on details like that when he can simply get in, kill, and move on to the next scumbags.

The movie was good for the 20 minutes where he went on his Frank style rampage, but Jane's acting was flat, his toughness was far from genuine, the supporting cast was sickening, the antagonist was over the top in a bad way, the setting was wrong, the murder of his family was ridiculous and the setup didn't leave me caring in the least for them...
OooOo he had a skull on his shirt, and even the explanation behind that was laughable and wasn't enough to carry the movie.

Here's the thing. This was Frank's family. Even in the comics he takes time to methodically work on the people involved with their deaths (or most recently the desecration of their graves). Everybody else gets bullets without a second thought (hence the kill crazy end scene but the people related to the whole deal with his family getting special treatment).

 

[claydogg]

I was wondering if you gave up?

anyways you didn't answer my qeustions.

1] do you think that there is 2 punishers?

now garth ennis punisher would for sure kill that scumbag in the movie with the knife.

the old school punisher would too.
I believe but,
it is possible that he just severly mames him.
like chops his hand off or something. for beating her(jane)

2] also the wife in the movie did nothing to the castle family that is why I say she is innocent.
his sons are different.
so if he set "Saint" up with knowing he would kill her.

so if that is the case what would be more like the punisher?

3] are you telling me that the punisher would kill an innocent?
and not kill the scumbag that tries to kill him?

Sorry my friend the scumbag would be dead.

 

[Rac]

No, that's not what I mean.

Hee t:

I love Hype.

 

[Savage]

I was wondering if you gave up?

anyways you didn't answer my qeustions.

1] do you think that there is 2 punishers?

now garth ennis punisher would for sure kill that scumbag in the movie with the knife.

the old school punisher would too.
I believe but,
it is possible that he just severly mames him.
like chops his hand off or something. for beating her(jane)

2] also the wife in the movie did nothing to the castle family that is why I say she is innocent.
his sons are different.
so if he set "Saint" up with knowing he would kill her.

so if that is the case what would be more like the punisher?

3] are you telling me that the punisher would kill an innocent?
and not kill the scumbag that tries to kill him?

Sorry my friend the scumbag would be dead.

1) There are many interpretations of the character but the situation with that cop I gave you WAS Garth Ennis' Punisher so I don't think he would kill the jerk with a knife. There's no reason to. He's an annoyance at best. He's certainly not a drug dealer or murderer. Old school Punisher from the 1970s and 80s killed just about anybody and everbody though but the version that was used for the movie (Tom Jane) mostly took from the Garth Ennis version so he's a little less kill crazy but when he does kill it's spectacular.

2)The wife in the movie ordered the hit on Castle and his family in the first place...She deserved the WORST treatment if anything.

3) With that said, The Punisher would clearly NOT kill an innocent. Every kill has a purpose and an explaination behind it. Maria Saint: Responsible for the deaths of almost his entire family. Makes sense. Idiot with a knife: Beat up a woman and annoyed him. Nnnnot as deserving, I say and clearly Frank thought so too.