Will The new Hulk movie be a failure???

[Mr Jide]

That's the second post alluding to X3 being worse than Hulk.

X3 did not "bomb". It is the highest grossing X Men movie. (20 mil more than X2 domestic...over 50 mil more worldwide.) It also sold a ton of DVD's...which made a mockery of the "bad word of mouth" theory being throw around. X3 is way more loved than Hulk will ever be. Ang Lee made a horribly boring movie.

I find this post hilarious for some reason, don't ask me why.t:

 

[James T. Kirk]

don't ask me why.t:

Why?

 

[Advanced Dark]

There's a vocal minority that hated X3. Mostly those who love Bryan Singer and can't get over the fact he abandoned the franchise and took off with his writers. The funny thing is even the polls on Superherohype in the X3 spoiler forums rating the film were more positive than negative. So I think alot of purist fanboys have some sort of God complex and believe their opinions are shared by the World when in fact the rest of the World is out to have a good time and watch a movie. They don't spend all day on internet sites looking at set pics, reading leaked scripts, and tearing apart films due to a characters hair color and height. Nor do they have a predisposed hatred for Brett Ratner. They just watch his films and enjoy them.

 

[El Payaso]

I think the people who are complaining about the 45 minute delay feel that those 45 minutes were boring,

Then they should say so.

whereas with Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man, ok those development periods weren't action packed or even really exciting, but they weren't dull either.

In fact BB gave me the yawns in more than one point in the first 60 minutes.

I loved the 1st film and it looks like I'm gonna love this one too.

Which is the really important part. I liked the first one too... oh, and X3 too.

 

[Ash Talon]

WTF?... Hulk's merchendise sold more than Spidey 1's, hell, the merchendise was a huge hit

Technically, Hulk merchandise may have sold more than Spidey 1's merch, but there are a few reasons for it.

1. No one thought Spidey 1 would be the blockbuster hit it became. Therefore, there wasn't the usual flood of tie-in merchandise we've come to expect for these type of movies.

2. Hulk merchandise didn't live up to retailer/vendor expectations which were based on the run-away success of the Spidey.

So technically, Hulk merchandise sold a lot. There was also a tremendous amount of Hulk merchandise sitting around on store shelves, since the movie didn't live up to anyone's expectations (at least financially). There was so much unmoving Hulk stuff clogging store shelves and pegs months after the movie's release, that Toy Biz had a hard time getting retailers to order a spin-off line of comic book based Hulk "classics" toyline. Toy Biz may have made a lot of money from stores ordering Hulk merchandise. However, stores don't make money if the product doesn't move off shelves. Therefore, TB/Marvel could say, "hey we made $50 million off Hulk toys!" while WM could say, "hey we lost $5 million off Hulk toys!"

Anyway, my point is this....word is good on vendors/retailers being interested in the new Hulk movie. This is quite a tidbit of news, since there was a perceived (and justified depending on which side of the fence you sit) "failure" of the first Hulk movie. Hasbro is already banking on the Hulk being popular by launching 2 comic book-based Hulk lines next year, as well as the obvious movie stuff.

Combined with the potential juggernaut of Iron Man (based on such outstanding buzz 8 months away from its release), Marvel should easily rule next summer. Sure, Dark Knight will do well. However, Batman Begins didn't light too many B.O. fires (and underperformed in many a eye). DK should due better due to the Joker. However, both IM and Hulk will be more family friendly with more colorful heroes and new ground to tread. I think they'll be the 2 summer movies to beat next year.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Technically, Hulk merchandise may have sold more than Spidey 1's merch, but there are a few reasons for it.

1. No one thought Spidey 1 would be the blockbuster hit it became. Therefore, there wasn't the usual flood of tie-in merchandise we've come to expect for these type of movies.

2. Hulk merchandise didn't live up to retailer/vendor expectations which were based on the run-away success of the Spidey.

So technically, Hulk merchandise sold a lot. There was also a tremendous amount of Hulk merchandise sitting around on store shelves, since the movie didn't live up to anyone's expectations (at least financially). There was so much unmoving Hulk stuff clogging store shelves and pegs months after the movie's release, that Toy Biz had a hard time getting retailers to order a spin-off line of comic book based Hulk "classics" toyline. Toy Biz may have made a lot of money from stores ordering Hulk merchandise. However, stores don't make money if the product doesn't move off shelves. Therefore, TB/Marvel could say, "hey we made $50 million off Hulk toys!" while WM could say, "hey we lost $5 million off Hulk toys!"

Anyway, my point is this....word is good on vendors/retailers being interested in the new Hulk movie. This is quite a tidbit of news, since there was a perceived (and justified depending on which side of the fence you sit) "failure" of the first Hulk movie. Hasbro is already banking on the Hulk being popular by launching 2 comic book-based Hulk lines next year, as well as the obvious movie stuff.

Combined with the potential juggernaut of Iron Man (based on such outstanding buzz 8 months away from its release), Marvel should easily rule next summer. Sure, Dark Knight will do well. However, Batman Begins didn't light too many B.O. fires (and underperformed in many a eye). DK should due better due to the Joker. However, both IM and Hulk will be more family friendly with more colorful heroes and new ground to tread. I think they'll be the 2 summer movies to beat next year.

Hulk merchandise more than lived up to vendor expectations.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

There's a vocal minority that hated X3. Mostly those who love Bryan Singer and can't get over the fact he abandoned the franchise and took off with his writers. The funny thing is even the polls on Superherohype in the X3 spoiler forums rating the film were more positive than negative. So I think alot of purist fanboys have some sort of God complex and believe their opinions are shared by the World when in fact the rest of the World is out to have a good time and watch a movie. They don't spend all day on internet sites looking at set pics, reading leaked scripts, and tearing apart films due to a characters hair color and height. Nor do they have a predisposed hatred for Brett Ratner. They just watch his films and enjoy them.

And you criticise me for saying you love Marvel movies. The fact that Singer left has NOTHING to do with me disliking X3. I disliked it because it was a **** film, plain and simple. Even with Bryan Singer leaving, they had THE perfect set-up to do an awesome Pheonix saga from X2. IMO, most directors could have made a brilliant X3 just based on watching X1 and X2 repeatedly.

But Ratner is just a poor director, who admittedly wasnt helped by an even worse studio.

 

[FrostBite]

That's the second post alluding to X3 being worse than Hulk.

X3 did not "bomb". It is the highest grossing X Men movie. (20 mil more than X2 domestic...over 50 mil more worldwide.) It also sold a ton of DVD's...which made a mockery of the "bad word of mouth" theory being throw around. X3 is way more loved than Hulk will ever be. Ang Lee made a horribly boring movie.

Wow you win the "Not comprehending my post!" Award! Congratulations! I never called Ang's movie better than X3 for me. In fact go into the "I still love Ang Lee's Hulk Thread" I respectfully stated all of my problems with the movie, and guess what? I have plenty of problems with X3 too.

All I was merely stating DESPITE it's box office numbers, X3 was a resounding dissapointment compared to the the last two. That will NOT stop people from going to see a new X-movie. X3 got it's BO off of the wave of it's former movies, just as Spider-man 3 did.

All I was saying is one dissapointment isn't going to keep audiences from going to see another go at it.

Next time. Read. Not what you want to read, but what is actually typed out for you.

 

[Sava]

Yes ... I have.

then please go and watch it again, BB had Bruce in training, and other Ninja stuff that can be called action, with Pete you had him learning his powers and already starting to turn into Spidey way before the 45mins mark, with Bruce all you had was him being a scientist. I get why people complained but you cant say BB and Spidey were the same when they just cleary werent, they had way more exciting stuff happening in the first 45mins and than Hulk.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

There's a vocal minority that hated X3. Mostly those who love Bryan Singer and can't get over the fact he abandoned the franchise and took off with his writers. The funny thing is even the polls on Superherohype in the X3 spoiler forums rating the film were more positive than negative. So I think alot of purist fanboys have some sort of God complex and believe their opinions are shared by the World when in fact the rest of the World is out to have a good time and watch a movie. They don't spend all day on internet sites looking at set pics, reading leaked scripts, and tearing apart films due to a characters hair color and height. Nor do they have a predisposed hatred for Brett Ratner. They just watch his films and enjoy them.

The predisposed hatred for Ratner is the #1 reason I saw for that minority's vocals.

Over at the Rotten Tomatoes board, they started slamming the movie about a YEAR before it came out. (As soon as they heard Ratner would direct.) It was painfully obvious what was going on. I had no idea Ratner was so hated until that happened.

But even there, the "official reaction thread" they put up had the overwhelming majority giving it high marks. (A's and B's)

All I was merely stating DESPITE it's box office numbers, X3 was a resounding dissapointment compared to the the last two. That will NOT stop people from going to see a new X-movie. X3 got it's BO off of the wave of it's former movies, just as Spider-man 3 did.

It will stop people from going to see it twice though. Which is what had to happen for X3 to make that much money. A movie that was supposedly that bad wouldn't make more money. It would perform like FF2 or Pirates 3....or Spider-Man 3. They still made money...just not as much as the ones before.

X3 is the highest grossing movie of the trilogy...both domestic and worldwide. AND..it made more than Singer's movie about a guy that wears his underwear on the outside. (Which of course the same people bashing Ratner's movie loved. What a coincidence.)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The predisposed hatred for Ratner is the #1 reason I saw for that minority's vocals.

Over at the Rotten Tomatoes board, they started slamming the movie about a YEAR before it came out. (As soon as they heard Ratner would direct.) It was painfully obvious what was going on. I had no idea Ratner was so hated until that happened.

But even there, the "official reaction thread" they put up had the overwhelming majority giving it high marks. (A's and B's)


It will stop people from going to see it twice though. Which is what had to happen for X3 to make that much money. A movie that was supposedly that bad wouldn't make more money. It would perform like FF2 or Pirates 3....or Spider-Man 3. They still made money...just not as much as the ones before.

X3 is the highest grossing movie of the trilogy...both domestic and worldwide. AND..it made more than Singer's movie about a guy that wears his underwear on the outside. (Which of course the same people bashing Ratner's movie loved. What a coincidence.)

But if it wasnt for the success of X1 and X2, X3 wouldnt have made NEAR the profit it did.

Plus, its actually possible that while X3 may be the highest grossing, it is also the least profitable of the franchise.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

But if it wasnt for the success of X1 and X2, X3 wouldnt have made NEAR the profit it did.

Plus, its actually possible that while X3 may be the highest grossing, it is also the least profitable of the franchise.

How profitable it was really doesn't apply to this conversation.

As I pointed out, Spidey 3 did LESS business than Spidey 2. It too benefited from the success of the first two...but still made LESS money. (because it really wasn't that great)

X3 made MORE.

 

[James T. Kirk]

then please go and watch it again, BB had Bruce in training, and other Ninja stuff that can be called action, with Pete you had him learning his powers and already starting to turn into Spidey way before the 45mins mark, with Bruce all you had was him being a scientist. I get why people complained but you cant say BB and Spidey were the same when they just cleary werent, they had way more exciting stuff happening in the first 45mins and than Hulk.

I never said BB and Spidey were the same as Hulk. I said Hulk was dull, and they weren't. All I meant by saying they weren't action packed was because until the first appearance of the hero in costume, it was mainly story, story with one or two action sequences, but mainly story. In Hulk, there was nothing but story, and the story was ****.

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

yeah, the story was GREAT!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

How profitable it was really doesn't apply to this conversation.

As I pointed out, Spidey 3 did LESS business than Spidey 2. It too benefited from the success of the first two...but still made LESS money. (because it really wasn't that great)

X3 made MORE.

Well it does if you are talking about success.

If X3 was so successful, why didnt Fox sign Ratner up for X4 instead of asking Bryan Singer to come back. Or why didnt they Ratner to do Wolverine when he openly asked for the chance to do it.

Or, when talking about a possible X4, why did Rothman say "The important thing is to get it right."


This all points to even Fox pointing out that X3 wasnt as good as it should have been and the fact that it dissapointed many fans.

Plus, you say there was a hate campaign against Ratner even before the movie came out? This i will agree, i personally didnt want him directing it.

But guess what, there was a hate campaign against Michael Bay on TF as soon as he was announced, yet many people, me included now want him desperately to do the sequel, why? Because he delivered a good movie that the majority of fans liked.

 

[FrostBite]

AND..it made more than Singer's movie about a guy that wears his underwear on the outside. (Which of course the same people bashing Ratner's movie loved. What a coincidence.)

I am bashing your precious X3 AND I hated Superman Returns.

 

[Doc Samson]

There's a vocal minority that hated X3. Mostly those who love Bryan Singer and can't get over the fact he abandoned the franchise and took off with his writers. The funny thing is even the polls on Superherohype in the X3 spoiler forums rating the film were more positive than negative. So I think alot of purist fanboys have some sort of God complex and believe their opinions are shared by the World when in fact the rest of the World is out to have a good time and watch a movie. They don't spend all day on internet sites looking at set pics, reading leaked scripts, and tearing apart films due to a characters hair color and height. Nor do they have a predisposed hatred for Brett Ratner. They just watch his films and enjoy them.

I believe you hit the proverbial nail on the head. Nobody but a small group of people or "fanboys" such as ourselves really care about the handling of the source material. This was the main problem with the Ang film, as anyone who liked the movie (myself included) were usually die-hard fans who maybe weren't thrilled with the changes to the story, but could appreciate the attempt at something psychological, which is the backbone of the character. The general audience, at least a good percentage of them, aren't that familiar with everything the Hulk has done in comics nor do they care to be. I'd say even a bigger percentage only know the character from the TV Show and aren't overly concerned about anything dealing with a good script or great acting, just things getting smashed and big action.

Point being, most films fanboys feel are terrible are often the most successful, Spiderman 3 being a huge example. Kids enjoyed it, and the general audience who aren't Spiderman experts enjoyed it. We make up such a small group of the actual bottomline that none of our opinions really amount to much when it comes to the "business" of making films. The Hulk is one of the most beloved characters in all of pop culture, the previous film will not have much effect on this new movie's success if they deliver more of what the people want, which is less talk, more action, better CGI, and more things blowing up. Sadly, we "fanboys" may be the only ones losing out in the end....

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Well it does if you are talking about success.

If X3 was so successful, why didnt Fox sign Ratner up for X4 instead of asking Bryan Singer to come back. Or why didnt they Ratner to do Wolverine when he openly asked for the chance to do it.

Or, when talking about a possible X4, why did Rothman say "The important thing is to get it right."


This all points to even Fox pointing out that X3 wasnt as good as it should have been and the fact that it dissapointed many fans.

Plus, you say there was a hate campaign against Ratner even before the movie came out? This i will agree, i personally didnt want him directing it.

But guess what, there was a hate campaign against Michael Bay on TF as soon as he was announced, yet many people, me included now want him desperately to do the sequel, why? Because he delivered a good movie that the majority of fans liked.

TF was good? Dang it...I went to the wrong TF.

Back to the profitability. We are talking about the number of people that bought tickets, not Fox's bottom line. If they spent too much to make it, that doesn't change the number of tickets sold. And more tickets were sold for X3 than X2. There is no way it could be as "bad" as some like to make it out to be or it would have done what Spidey 3, Shrek 3, and Pirates 3 did. (Pirates and Shrek really took a downturn.) And X3 set some kind of sales record for October when the DVD was released....so a lot of people liked it. 230+ million domestic...no studio would be unhappy with that. We're not talking about Hulk here. A lot of people went to see it more than once.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I am bashing your precious X3 AND I hated Superman Returns.

What was really so bad about SR anyway?

 

[Golgo-13]

What was really so bad about SR anyway?

SR wasn't that bad imo. I was just un-needed, and a rehash of the same old villan, hatching up the same old scheme. Superman has a long rogue -list of villans, and they give us a villan we've already seen 4 times already. Not to mention ****ing up the continuity of the previous movies, by now having Loius Lane remember sleeping with Superman. Like i said, it was not needed.

Hulk will not be a failure. They have too much riding on it this time. They can't re-do a re-do. ****ing up Hulk twice in a row is a billion to one shot imo.

 

[FrostBite]

What was really so bad about SR anyway?

I just didn't like it, I was less amused than "Hulk." I think they should have just started over. That whole movie was a misfire in my opinion so I won't go listing everything wrong with it, but heres a few things that really peeved me.

I wasn't amused with super kid. If her memory was gone.. fine.. I can deal. BUT, what woman is going to just wake up one day and go "Oh ****! I am pregnant!? How...!? Oh... well I guess it's no big deal."

I didn't like anything about it really except Lex, loved the guy who played him. But then again, I hated the resounding conflict he came up with "I'll make an island ooooo isn't it menacing?! Gosh this is like the most fantastic super villain plot ever!"

And of course the big thing that really really bothered me was the whole drawn out "IS SUPERMAN GONNA DIE!?" ...seriously, did we need it?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

TF was good? Dang it...I went to the wrong TF.

Back to the profitability. We are talking about the number of people that bought tickets, not Fox's bottom line. If they spent too much to make it, that doesn't change the number of tickets sold. And more tickets were sold for X3 than X2. There is no way it could be as "bad" as some like to make it out to be or it would have done what Spidey 3, Shrek 3, and Pirates 3 did. (Pirates and Shrek really took a downturn.) And X3 set some kind of sales record for October when the DVD was released....so a lot of people liked it. 230+ million domestic...no studio would be unhappy with that. We're not talking about Hulk here. A lot of people went to see it more than once.

Yes, but many fans like myself went to see it again to see if we enjoyed it more 2nd time, and we didnt.

Plus, i bought the DVD myself, despite hating, because i wanted to complete the trilogy, i'm betting many others did the same.

Plus, even if you didnt like TF, the majority of fans did.

What was really so bad about SR anyway?

I actually think it is one of the best CB movies ever.

SR wasn't that bad imo. I was just un-needed, and a rehash of the same old villan, hatching up the same old scheme. Superman has a long rogue -list of villans, and they give us a villan we've already seen 4 times already. Not to mention ****ing up the continuity of the previous movies, by now having Loius Lane remember sleeping with Superman. Like i said, it was not needed.
Hulk will not be a failure. They have too much riding on it this time. They can't re-do a re-do. ****ing up Hulk twice in a row is a billion to one shot imo.

Actually that part of Superman 2 wasnt in continuity, Singer ignored them sleeping together in the fortress.

In Singer's continuity, Lois and Superman just had a relationship previous to him leaving, were she didnt know he was Clark. Singer has mentioned this in various interviews.

 

[James T. Kirk]

Actually that part of Superman 2 wasnt in continuity, Singer ignored them sleeping together in the fortress.

In Singer's continuity, Lois and Superman just had a relationship previous to him leaving, were she didnt know he was Clark. Singer has mentioned this in various interviews.

But isn't that his point? That ****s up the continuity of the previous movies. If you're gonna make a sequel, you shouldn't just pick and choose what you decide happened in previous movies and what didn't, you've gotta follow the timeline. Otherwise you just leave a lotta people confused and wondering what the hell is going on. This isn't Dallas we're talking about.

 

[Sava]

I never said BB and Spidey were the same as Hulk. I said Hulk was dull, and they weren't. All I meant by saying they weren't action packed was because until the first appearance of the hero in costume, it was mainly story, story with one or two action sequences, but mainly story. In Hulk, there was nothing but story, and the story was ****.

well, again, with Batman and Spidey, there is a big difference when you compare them to Hulk, they had to learn their powers where as Bruce couldnt. It wasnt just one or two action sequences either, i have seren either of the movies for a while but i can remember BB had somewhere around 4 action scenes and Spidey had 2 with him learning his powers too. I'm not defending Ang's start to the movie but he couldnt do much anyway.

 

[James T. Kirk]

They just hired the wrong guy, period. The minute he said the words "boring, dull, plodding, tedious psychological drama with surreal overtones of the Oedipus complex", somebody should have just shot him.