Sequels Thread for VILLANS in Spider-Man 4 and 5 (Don't make any more!)

[Hectorminator]

But we are not talking about technology here. We are talking about character development. Both Doc Ock and Sandman were reformed. Marko still didn´t have money to help his daughter at the end of 3. Even if Gobby would try to persuade him into action, he was just forgiven by Peter, why undone it all again?

Oh and I wasn´t talking just about BB and TDK. Whispers: Iron Man, Hulk.

Marko would get back into crime because he needs money. Period. If he was really reformed, why didn't he turn himself in? And just because a character can have one moment of clarity or lines exchanged between another character doesn't mean everything is said and done. Sometimes, that's not how people work. Sometimes, 1 Hour and 55 minutes of evil can't be washed away with 5 minutes of good.

And I mentioned Iron Man, too.

 

[BlueLightning]

Something better would be a solid story with more character development, instead of rushing like three villans, plus origin story for most of them, and them pack them in a wannabe Avengers-but with villans- movie.

I vote for Lizard and maybe Kraven.

 

[BlueLightning]

I am not saying this can´t be done. Of course it could be done. But if you want a Sinister Six movie, you should have planned it since the beggining instead of killing all your villans in your movies. You can´t retcon to many things with these movies without upsetting a lot of people (Sandman killing uncle Ben).

 

[Venom 1988]

I think we should go with a less obvious choice for Toomes.

Um why? There were this close to casting him anyway.

 

[Jick]

We saw the Terminator's eye lights go out in T1 and T2, only to show them come back on again.

they didn't come back.
each movie had a different Terminator, just the same type.
Connor even asked the Terminator in T3 if he reminds of anything from their previous meeting (T2), only for him to say that he is a different terminator.
Connor even shouts "oh I'll have to teach you everything again!"

 

[The Joker]

It's the first Goblin, not a third, but whatever.

We'd be seeing a Goblin villain for a third time.

Boring. Goblin story is done.

I just wanted a better Sinister Six than Vulture, Kraven, Rhino, Mysterio, Shocker, and Electro. It wouldn't be another Goblin story, it would be an Osborn-led team of villains story.

A Sinister Six without Doc Ock, is like the Avengers without Capt America. It's not worth knowing.

Ock is the founder, leader, and spirit of the Six.

they didn't come back.
each movie had a different Terminator, just the same type.
Connor even asked the Terminator in T3 if he reminds of anything from their previous meeting (T2), only for him to say that he is a different terminator.
Connor even shouts "oh I'll have to teach you everything again!"

Oh man, you totally misunderstood what I meant. I mean you see each Terminator's eye lights go out in a scene in each movie, and they think they're dead, then they come back to life a few minutes later.

The first Terminator is severed in half, his lights go out, it looks like he's gone, and then he comes back to life. The T-1000 impales Arnie in T2, and his lights go out, and then he revives again a few minutes later and saves the day.

 

[javphonic]

Word.

this is eerie and creepy, is this pic edited in anyway, because this is exactly how I imagined Vulture to lool in real life?

 

[Hectorminator]

I am not saying this can´t be done. Of course it could be done. But if you want a Sinister Six movie, you should have planned it since the beggining instead of killing all your villans in your movies. You can´t retcon to many things with these movies without upsetting a lot of people (Sandman killing uncle Ben).

Yeah, I know. I've been saying Sinister Six for Spider-Man 6. So take the next two movies introducing the members and bringing back key players subtly and THEN in part six show them as a team. I'm planning this for the beginning of the next trilogy, which they're already planning on doing, so might as well.

 

[Hectorminator]

We'd be seeing a Goblin villain for a third time. Boring. Goblin story is done. A Sinister Six without Doc Ock, is like the Avengers without Capt America. It's not worth knowing. Ock is the founder, leader, and spirit of the Six.

Just because they did a story with the Joker in 1989 doesn't mean the Joker story was done.

If Norman Osborn came back, it would be the exact opposite of boring to me.

And I agree, Ock is an integral part of the Six, but his portrayal in the films is a less evil one than Osborn. I would believe Osborn as the leader, see Ultimate Spider-Man.

 

[Carlo Comicus]

Word.

Kingsley is great.

 

[Jick]

Oh man, you totally misunderstood what I meant. I mean you see each Terminator's eye lights go out in a scene in each movie, and they think they're dead, then they come back to life a few minutes later.

The first Terminator is severed in half, his lights go out, it looks like he's gone, and then he comes back to life. The T-1000 impales Arnie in T2, and his lights go out, and then he revives again a few minutes later and saves the day.

oh, now you explained.
with Ock is different. he is not supposed to come back. the terminators were. their lights went out to increase the climax of the movie, to give the impression that everything was over, only for him to make his comeback minutes later for the grand finale.
Ock's tentacles lights went out at the very end, when everything was over. if the lights went out at some other point of the movie, of course he would be back again.
I see what you mean, though. imo, the lighs going out was to symbolize that the tentacles died with Ock. they were together all the way, not just physically, but mentally. if Ock's serious, the tentacles are serious, if Ock gives up, the tentacles gives up (like after he is electrocuted in the movie). if Ock dies, the tentacles dies. I think it's a good way to look at it.

 

[The Joker]

Just because they did a story with the Joker in 1989 doesn't mean the Joker story was done.

It does in that franchise. They never revived the Joker in that franchise. It took a reboot of the series to bring him back.

So unless the next couple of Spidey movies are reboots, then the Goblin story is done.

If Norman Osborn came back, it would be the exact opposite of boring to me.

That's you. Why would you want to see a villain's story that was spread over three movies being revived again?

It's done. Over. Finished. They wrapped up the Osborn Goblin arc nicely. This isn't the Clone Saga. Leave Norman dead.

And I agree, Ock is an integral part of the Six, but his portrayal in the films is a less evil one than Osborn. I would believe Osborn as the leader, see Ultimate Spider-Man.

That was BS, too. Ock in the Ultimate series is fiendishly evil. Even more than Norman, IMO. Norman showed some humanity for his son. It's how they got the upper hand on him in that story.

Ock is 100% evil in the Ultimate series. He should have led the Six.

oh, now you explained.
with Ock is different. he is not supposed to come back.

Well, that's up to the whim of the film makers. Not us.

the terminators were. their lights went out to increase the climax of the movie, to give the impression that everything was over, only for him to make his comeback minutes later for the grand finale.
Ock's tentacles lights went out at the very end, when everything was over. if the lights went out at some other point of the movie, of course he would be back again.
I see what you mean, though. imo, the lighs going out was to symbolize that the tentacles died with Ock. they were together all the way, not just physically, but mentally. if Ock's serious, the tentacles are serious, if Ock gives up, the tentacles gives up (like after he is electrocuted in the movie). if Ock dies, the tentacles dies. I think it's a good way to look at it.

Yes, but my point is that they could use that very same reason as they did with the Terminators. Some back up power supply in the arms kicks in, and rescues Ock.

After all, we did see them conk out temporarily when he was electrocuted, giving Peter a chance to talk with him. Who's to say it can't happen again?

 

[dark_b]

this is eerie and creepy, is this pic edited in anyway, because this is exactly how I imagined Vulture to lool in real life?

this is actually a CGI pic

 

[Hellion]

Who do you want to see in SPIDER-MAN 4 and 5? Since they're shooting back-to-back it's a safe bet there will be more than one villan. I didn't see an official villans thread... so here it is.

And my picks are LIZARD and KRAVEN THE HUNTER, and KRAVEN and SCORPIAN, maybe HYDRO-MAN.

Lizard going on a rampage in 4

Kraven and Calypso introduced in 5 (w/Kraven hunting the Lizard and Spider-Man)

or somehow put together Morbius, Tombstone, and Shriek together (I always liked the thought of them together for some reason)

 

[Venom 1988]

Lizard going on a rampage in 4

And thats it?

or somehow put together Morbius, Tombstone, and Shriek together (I always liked the thought of them together for some reason)

Cuz they are all pale white....?

 

[Gweedo_of_Steel]

i think the the idea to have a couple villains span from spidey 4 to the 5th is a good idea espacially if its the lizard but i don't know who will be ther other villains cause you don't want to over load the movie with villains then there really is no plot...and to those that think fighting one villian to the next is a plot sorry sorry guys it don't work that way. but i do think a smart idea would be to intro the king pin or tombstone or somthing or someone big that runs alot of the villains

 

[The Slang]

The lizard would work great. Assuming they dont have him create a bunch of lizard minions. I dont mind if he plans to during his more logical moments... but 1 lizard is enough.

Morbius the vampire is one they wont use but that could be interesting. It was great in the animated series when spiderman was hunting him but being out manouvered by his flying ability. Which doesnt make sense when you think about it. He turned himself into a creature that needs blood using bat DNA.
Although I think they could design a sick looking morbius that slowly gets more batlike. If he had some retractable wing flaps that could be hidden under a jacket/cloak, then Id be able to tolerate him gliding away or catching wind from high points. It'd be scary.

I wanna see the scorpion but he might look silly next to the lizard if they both have tails. Still, I envisioned this scene of spiderman chasing scorpion down an indoor stairwell trying to stop him while avoiding the tail. Then they have this brutal close proximity fight like in those japanese shows with 2 huge bugs in a cramped little box.

And here's one that hardly no one thinks of: The Spider slayer robots. Smythe could build atleast one for some crime lord who is sick of spideys interference. I dont care about the design aslong as it was impressive and realistic-ish. Im thinking Tomb raider. this idea has been overlooked in the games too...

 

[red hood 4]

Charlie Weirderman.

 

[Immortalfire]

I have now added a multi-vote poll with popular villain choices, as well as an Other option.

 

[Jick]

from those on the poll, all of them, except Hobgoblin and Mysterio.

 

[Dr.Detroit75]

Tell me how this guy would look as Kraven The Hunter:

ARMAND ASSANTE

What do you think: good, or bad???

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Armand Assante is a bad ass. He's a bit too old to play a Herculian man mountain though.

 

[Hectorminator]

My ideal choice would be Kraven as the main villain, with the Lizard occupying the first half of the movie. Once that's settled, Kraven stays in NY to hunt Spider-Man. And Vulture introduced and set up as the final challenge for Spidey at the end, after Kraven tells Spider-Man he let Vulture go, so that Kraven would be left alone to commit suicide. (Just like he did with Vermin in Kraven's Last Hunt.)

 

[Artistsean]

I just had an idea for how to bring back the Green Goblin (Norman) easily and within the realism of the movies.
Just say that he wasn't actually dead. His bodied slowed down to almost looking like he was dead (Or he was dead for a few minutes) but after Spider-Man left, and while his butler cleaned his wounds, he came back to life and his body healed itself thanks to the formula. They can even show that he has been alive this whole time, watching and waiting.
That way Norman can return without just being brought back from the dead or being a clone or something.
Then I would suggest using the storyline where Norman decides to taunt, torment, and torture Peter into becoming the new Green Goblin.
He can even speak about how Harry was always weak, and never the right aire to the mantel of the Green Goblin, not like Peter.
That could be film 5 or 6 even.

 

[blackbyrd]

Ben Kingsley = Vulture!!!!