Sequels Thread for VILLANS in Spider-Man 4 and 5 (Don't make any more!)

[Symbiote666]

Nope.

Same problems that SM3 has, but more graphical glitches and horrific voice acting.

 

[Sebastos]

I'll rent it and see for myself.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Why always est. comic book villains? Why can't we see new, story-centric villains or wrestlers as the villains?

Because it's a bad idea, that's why. The only non-canon villain I'm even remotely inclined to see in a movie is the Gentleman, & I know that ain't gonna happen.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Because it's a bad idea, that's why. The only non-canon villain I'm even remotely inclined to see in a movie is the Gentleman, & I know that ain't gonna happen.

But I think a villain like The Lizard, a talking dinosaur? That's out-of-date. And Kraven is actually kind of silly; he hunts things. "I'm the best hunter of them all. I always catch my prey." That doesn't fit in to the movie universe.

How about Spiderman is sitting alone in the middle of the streets, crying. You don't know what he is so gobbed up about. Then the camera pans straightwise and you see two enormous hoofs. It's Kevin Nash. And playtime is over.

Spiderman 4 would be a huge hit, under those circumstances!

 

[citizenpain]

you're joking... right...?

so it'd be spider-man going up against this guy...

yeah, that would really get people psyched.

 

[BlueLightning]

But I think a villain like The Lizard, a talking dinosaur? That's out-of-date. And Kraven is actually kind of silly; he hunts things. "I'm the best hunter of them all. I always catch my prey." That doesn't fit in to the movie universe.

How about Spiderman is sitting alone in the middle of the streets, crying. You don't know what he is so gobbed up about. Then the camera pans straightwise and you see two enormous hoofs. It's Kevin Nash. And playtime is over.

Spiderman 4 would be a huge hit, under those circumstances!

Who says he has to talk? And for the Kraven thing, people can get really obsessed in real life, so what doesn´t fit?

 

[MonBeeb]

But I think a villain like The Lizard, a talking dinosaur? That's out-of-date. And Kraven is actually kind of silly; he hunts things. "I'm the best hunter of them all. I always catch my prey."

I don't see how a humanoid dinosaur is any more far-fetched than a guy flying around in a goblin suit, a man with four octopus arms grafted onto his body, a man who can turn into sand, or a...liquidy...alien...thing.

The villains are inherently silly by their very design. It's a testament to a writer's/filmmaker's creativity if he can take something silly and make it formidable.

 

[Compi716]

How about Spiderman is sitting alone in the middle of the streets, crying. You don't know what he is so gobbed up about. Then the camera pans straightwise and you see two enormous hoofs. It's Kevin Nash. And playtime is over.

Spiderman 4 would be a huge hit, under those circumstances!

Is...that supposed to be a joke? Or has the apocalypse actually come and you are completely serious?

On that note...NO MORE CRYING!

 

[Mutagen]

I haven't played the game yet, i'm ashamed. Is it a good game?

I liked it myself, I would recommend it.

 

[Mutagen]

Yeah, I suppose he could be threatening if the write script is present. He also nearly drove Dare Devil insnae, correct?

I suppose the ideal plot for Mysterio would involve him framing Spider-Man and really turning the public against him (an action scene with Spider-Man being chased by police helicopters could be great and really display his webslinging through New York, something that has been neglected throughout the series). But I think he'd need another villain. Perhaps Scorpion? He could be made as the anti-Spider-Man when it appears Spider-Man is evil, but of course, he would go crazy. I could envision a climax of Spider-Man fighting the Scorpion in the midst of several holographic illusions that Mysterio throws at them. Could be quite exciting.

I would be excited to see Scorpion as the villain. Mysterio's a stretch for me, however, he seems so insane, I would want a very creative director and writer before I get interested.

Instead of making SM4 and SM5 back to back,they should do alot of reshoots for SM3 while making SM4.

-In the beginning of the movie show Flint Marko as a thug robbing a bank and have spidey showing up to save the day.Marko is arrested and is sent to prison for life since that was his third strike.

-Give Eddie Brock lots of character development.

-Cut Gwen out.

-Have John Jameson on the moon where we see the symbiote oozing from a moon rock and attaches itself to Jameson as he is making his way back onto the shuttle to head back home.

-Show the symbiote attacking the astronauts causing the shuttle to go crashing down to Earth.

-Show spidey showing up and ends up saving the astronauts from crashing.

-Show the symbiote attach itself to spidey before he leaves the scene.

-Have Harry in a Goblin costume (Hobgoblin) attack Peter where the symbiote covers Peter making him become the black spider-man.Where we see both of them are trying to kill each other.

-After Harry gets paralized from the neck down from their fight,Harry goes to the prison to talk to Flint Marko,spidey's latest thug that has ended up there.Harry offers Marko power and freedom,but the cost of it is to kill spider-man.

-Sandman finds spidey by commiting a crime.Armor truck scene,just make it black spidey and make the fight longer (because this would be Sandman's only fight) and have it end in a construction site where the armor truck crashes into.Have black spidey pour cement on Sandman at the end of the fight killing Sandman.

-Have black spidey deciding to pay his old friend Harry a visit to end things once and for all.

-Have Harry slowly healing throughout the movie.

-Have Harry be all healed up in the Goblin's lair when an alarm goes off.Harry looks on the monitor and sees that black spidey is in his house.Harry suits up in gis Goblin gear and goes out to face black spidey.

-The fight ends when black spidey throws a pumpkin bomb into Harry's face.

-Peter goes to a nearby church to take the symbiote off.

-Last scene is of Eddie Brock becoming Venom...

SM4: Would be Peter trying to redeem himself while fighting off Venom....

Good ideas. Much better than SM3. Too bad it will never see the light of the silver screen...

 

[The Slang]

I hear alot about this kraven/lizard idea, personally it doesn't really grab me. I tend to feel that the characters work better seperately. I can see it working, however it'd have to be well put together. Another two suggestions I see often (and happen to favour) are rhino and shocker. The appeal of these characters is that you dont really have to set up an origion story. Rhino never even had a real name if i remember correctly, the're just two old fashioned eccentric criminals with nicknames.

 

[OsGom]

SM 4 - It's gotta be Kraven & The Lizard may be quick battle in the beginning of the movie with Shocker or Scorpion. Kraven: The Last Hunt is one of my all time favorite Spidey stories. Subsituting Lizard for Vermin could work. However, this story took place when Kraven was not in a good place (ala eating thousands of live spiders). I don't think that level of "commitment" could be established in one movie. Spidey had been kickin him around for some time to get him to that point.

I'd like to see some version of the Sinister 6 eventually. They don't all need backstories, it can be just like the bounty hunters from Empire Strikes Back: one famous one to lead them (like Kraven, Vulture, Doc Ock, Hobgoblin) and five second rate guys that can be defeated in sequence (Shocker, Slyde, Rhino, Tombstone, Scorpion, the Human Fly, Belladonna, etc.)

SM 5 - I like the idea of a Sinister 6 but since when is Lincoln (Tombstone) a second rate bad guy?! AND your rating Old Man Vulture over Tomby!! Vulture is the ultimate second rater.

Have Tombstome as the ringleader trying to muscle in on a Silvermane, Rose or Hammerhead. I like Rhino, Vulture, Scorpion, Electro and Speed Demon or Slyde to round out the 6. Or maybe you throw Black Cat in as a wild card who Spidey can turn to help in defeating the SS.

 

[Duskbyday]

No Morbius, maybe a cameo with Warren but that's it.

Spidey 4 with Shocker cameo fight at the beginning, Lizard (doesn't need to talk but no sympathy. It will just be another Ock. Obssesive Kraven, maybe not all that evil, just obsessive. Could have Calypso and Chameleon appear.


Spidey 5 : Malchovich as Vulture: Who else can play a pissed off old man?
Kraven Returns
Electro: What great fights to have with him!
Sandman, maybe forced to work with baddies.
Mysterio: Not bruce C, someone sinister
scorpion?

 

[Sebastos]

I had an actor in mind for Kraven, but I forget his name.

I liked it myself, I would recommend it.

Thanks.

 

[calibud]

I don't see how a humanoid dinosaur is any more far-fetched than a guy flying around in a goblin suit, a man with four octopus arms grafted onto his body, a man who can turn into sand, or a...liquidy...alien...thing.

The villains are inherently silly by their very design. It's a testament to a writer's/filmmaker's creativity if he can take something silly and make it formidable.

I don't think he meant far-fetched. Just that a humanoid dinosaur isn't really surprising as a threat. They'd have to take a few creative liberties with the character's appearance to make him seem more visually interesting. Otherwise it's just...a velociraptor from Jurassic Park in a shredded lab coat.

Of course they're all silly in design. They're all far-fetched. And it all works in the books. But on screen, people have seen their share of people being chased by giant/human-sized lizards.


As for the Sinister Six advocates...I'm just going to repost (an abridged version) of why I feel the Six will not work in a feature length film.

Multiple villains works in the comics because most villains that receive the team-up treatment have decades of history built up. Comic readers are aware of the threat they pose alone, so it's easy for comic readers to comprehend the threat that their collaboration would pose.

In a film, it simply makes the villain look inept and weak. They spend 20-25 (nonconsecutive) minutes to establish who they are, have a few intense fight scenes and establish their M.O. and backstory and suddenly they're teaming up with some other villain who is getting the short end of the stick regardless.
It's a lazy shortcut in writing to consolidate the antagonists at the end of the second act.

 

[Union Jack]

for spiderman 4 i'd lie to see only one villain..keep it straight forward and not too complex.

i'd have either the lizard or maybe morbius.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I say no to Morbius.

 

[The Slang]

Malchovich as Vulture: Who else can play a pissed off old man?

Ben stillers dad?

Serenity now!

Originally Posted by MonBeeb
I don't see how a humanoid dinosaur is any more far-fetched than a guy flying around in a goblin suit, a man with four octopus arms grafted onto his body...

WHAAAAAT!!??? R u kidding dude? Have you ever seen a humanoid dinosaur? I'm almost 90% sure I havent, but I'll tell you what I have seen.

*People with cybernetic arms/eyes,
*Machines that can be controlled by thought,either after attaching devices directly to the nerves/brain, or installing a wireless remote emitter into the body
*Levitating metal disks and working jetpacks
and the clincher:
*some Junkie mug people with two metal poles and a rubber 'troll' mask. (maybe even a goblin, I dunno I'm not a biologist)

 

[OsGom]

As for the Sinister Six advocates...I'm just going to repost (an abridged version) of why I feel the Six will not work in a feature length film.

Multiple villains works in the comics because most villains that receive the team-up treatment have decades of history built up. Comic readers are aware of the threat they pose alone, so it's easy for comic readers to comprehend the threat that their collaboration would pose.

In a film, it simply makes the villain look inept and weak. They spend 20-25 (nonconsecutive) minutes to establish who they are, have a few intense fight scenes and establish their M.O. and backstory and suddenly they're teaming up with some other villain who is getting the short end of the stick regardless.
It's a lazy shortcut in writing to consolidate the antagonists at the end of the second act.

Normally I would agree but half of the villains comprising the Sinister 6 are simply enhanced cons that barely rate a backstory in the comics let alone in a film.

In the void that is left after the death of Harry, Tombstone is able to get controlling interest (through an intermediary) in Osborne Inc. Using Osborne's tech and biological enhancements he is able to change thugs into superhumans. You would want to portray each with very distinct personalities of course, because as we know the key in any SS story is Spideys ability to turn the member's on each other.

Bang! Done in less than twenty minutes.

 

[OsGom]

Double post

 

[The Slang]

I don't like the idea of multiple villains being made in the same way or at the same time. What the spider-man movies need to make clear is that this is not the world we live in. The spider-man world always did seem kind of futuristic and bizarre... but specifically criminals exploiting high tech devices and adopting alter-egos was a common occurance.
Meaning, if you in new york in the spider-man universe you WILL see what could be classified a 'super-villain' at some time in your life. They are popping up everywhere, and spider-man is entering that scene.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I don't see how a humanoid dinosaur is any more far-fetched than a guy flying around in a goblin suit, a man with four octopus arms grafted onto his body, a man who can turn into sand, or a...liquidy...alien...thing.

The villains are inherently silly by their very design. It's a testament to a writer's/filmmaker's creativity if he can take something silly and make it formidable.

I think the latter two are a little more far-fetched than Ock & Gobby. But still, the proposal of a wrestler or some made-up villain is just uninteresting. I remember them using made-up villains in the Superman movies. Sadly they were the least of the movies' problems, but they truly did not help. Fans want established villains for iconic characters like Spider-Man. Blade & Punisher are lesser-known properties so they can get away with that kind of stuff. Spider-Man can't.

 

[calibud]

Normally I would agree but half of the villains comprising the Sinister 6 are simply enhanced cons that barely rate a backstory in the comics let alone in a film.

In the void that is left after the death of Harry, Tombstone is able to get controlling interest (through an intermediary) in Osborne Inc. Using Osborne's tech and biological enhancements he is able to change thugs into superhumans. You would want to portray each with very distinct personalities of course, because as we know the key in any SS story is Spideys ability to turn the member's on each other.

Bang! Done in less than twenty minutes.

Touche.
They treated Sandman as a fill-in-the-blank character as far as his motivations and background were concerned in SM3 compared to the comics. And the first X-Men worked (characterization of the team) without really knowing the characters that well. I guess a Sinister Six comprised of simple thugs given some kinds of ridiculous biotech enhancements--and headed up by Tombstone, a really cool villain that I'd want to see next--would work.

 

[zeptron]

No Carnage please.

I would of liked to have seen Carnage in a movie but it would not make sense to have him in this. First of all Carnage is a R rated villain or hard PG-13. Second and most important if they messed up Venom so bad what makes anyone think Carnage would be treated any better. Finally Peter already figured out how to defeat the symbiotes so it would not be hard for him to get rid of Carnage.

 

[Mutagen]

No Carnage please.

I would of liked to have seen Carnage in a movie but it would not make sense to have him in this. First of all Carnage is a R rated villain or hard PG-13. Second and most important if they messed up Venom so bad what makes anyone think Carnage would be treated any better. Finally Peter already figured out how to defeat the symbiotes so it would not be hard for him to get rid of Carnage.

I don't want to see Carnage in a Spidey movie also.