Tim Burton's Batman 3 (2015)

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, but GoogleMe uses the logic:

if(director_vision != Burton_vision) {then Batfilm=fail;}

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Yeah, but GoogleMe uses the logic:

if(director_vision != Burton_vision) {then Batfilm=fail;}

Googleme likes squeezing his Tim Burton stuffed doll before bed every night.

 

[RobC]

Yeah, but GoogleMe uses the logic:

if(director_vision != Burton_vision) {then Batfilm=fail;}

You get an extra mark if you show your working out.

GoogleMe = (BatFilm - Burton = Nothing)

 

[Matt.S99]

Agreed on all three counts.

 

[RobC]

All his movies have the same themes, exactly the same as Burton, and Spielberg, Fincher, Mann, Carnahan etc...

I seriously can't agree with you about all his movies looking the same. Memento, a backwards film that has scenes in black and white, Insomnia shot in mainly an icy blue hue to mimic the Alaskan surroundings, BB with it's yellow grimy filter to show the urban decay, The Prestige which was set in Victorian England and utilized several different cinematic techniques.

I could go on. Seriously, i've never seen a Nolan film that looks the same. I've seen them share the same thematic content, hell it's a major criticism of him i'll admit.

In terms of vision, Nolan is the one who's gone most out of his way to identify his movies uniquely. All Burton movies look the same. Germanic expresionistic visuals, cold wintery sets, stark colouring, gothic overtones.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Have you seen his Planets of the Apes, Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Mars Attacks, and Ed Wood?

I agree with the bold for most his movies, but that's because most his movies call for those elements.

To a point yes, But Burton loves to throw his "style" into every film he does. All the movies you listed were him out on a limb to try something different he wanted to achieve, and all of those movies I love. I mean you can definitly tell the Planet of the Apes remake was a Burton film, it just had that look and feel to it, though I bet Burton hated doing that film.

 

[Matt.S99]

Well exactly, its his ''style'', its his movies, hes obviously gonna incorperate his style(s) in them

 

[Matt.S99]

Well exactly, its his ''style'', its his movies, hes obviously gonna incorperate his style(s) in them

 

[GoogleMe94]

yeah each director has thee own unique style. nolan has one too, but i wouldnt say his style is very "unique". his movies look like anyone could have done it. the thing that seperates burtons films is that you can look at his films and you know its a burton film. addams family was burtonish but it didnt FEEL like a burton film, only looked it a bit.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Most of Burton's movies do carry the same style. I don't see why some people say it as if it's bad though.

All of Da Vinci's paintings were done in the same manner. The Mona Lisa, The Last Supper, Annuciation, Virgin of the Rocks. It's simply how he painted...it's simply how Burton directs.

 

[RobC]

But that's exactly my point. You were arguing that Nolan didn't have enough vision, or as much as Burton. But to me vision is being able to change and adapt your visual style to different films. Nolan's film change in terms of visuals, every film is different visually.

I think me and you are using different definitions for 'vision'.

To me, Burton is an incredible director, visually stunning and obviously incredibly successful. But on the flipside all his movies look the same, now-a-days I can't help but feel he's pandering to 14 - 18 year old goth kids with his visual style.

Granted Mars Attacks was different, I don't count Planet Of The Apes as Burton film, it's got studio hands all over it, but if you look at the main body of his work, it's all the same.

Nolan uses the same themes, Burton uses the same visuals.

 

[BatmanForNever]

Burton has always been more visual and artsy. All of his sets are over the top...and I think that the Batman story and character benefited from this. Batman while believable always has that fantastical element in the grand scale. Burton just multipled that times 5 and put his own twist on it.


But I like Nolans more gritty and more realistic portrayal of the series as well.

Both have there good and bad points to them.

 

[RobC]

Yeah that's a good point, Burton gave us an extremely visual take on Batman with loads of fantasy elements, which rocked, Nolan has given us a more gritty realistic Batman, which is always good.

My main problems with BB now stem from the dialogue (Direlogue?)

Oh, and 1000th post t:

 

[RobC]

I could go with that, Nolan's real world Batman in Burton's gothic Gotham? I could easily go for that.

The dialogue never really bothered me until recently, I watch it now and just, urgh, I struggle with it. Which is a good thing, i've started seeing the film in a more objective light.

 

[BatmanForNever]

Yeah that's a good point, Burton gave us an extremely visual take on Batman with loads of fantasy elements, which rocked, Nolan has given us a more gritty realistic Batman, which is always good.

My main problems with BB now stem from the dialogue (Direlogue?)

Oh, and 1000th post t:

There's one thing that bothered me about Batman Begins. And it all radiates from: "Swear to meee!!!!!!!!" That over the top grunting, screaming line was a bit too much and I laughed. I don't know how that take got past the cutting room floor. At times it annoyed me that bale was all about playing Batman too animalistic, and I think he got too much into that mode at times for my taste.

 

[RobC]

That's a real marmite line, some people love it, some people hate it. Sometimes he did get a bit too into it, but then given the chance, wouldn't we all?

Keaton was all about silence, Bale was all about being right there in your face.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I love Bale's Batman voice, at least he tried doing something new. Hell, all of the Batmen changed their voices except for George Clooney & Adam West but what can you expect from the worst Batmen of all time?

 

[BatmanForNever]

I love Bale's Batman voice, at least he tried doing something new. Hell, all of the Batmen changed their voices except for George Clooney & Adam West but what can you expect from the worst Batmen of all time?

Voices can be recognized, I think it was not only use to be more dark and brooding...but also to hide his true voice. I'm sure more than just your mannerisms, thoughts, actions, and the way you move are affected. If we all threw on a cowl we would do our own version of the "batman voice"


My only problem was that Bale got a little too over the top and into it, that it almost became humorous.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I didn't mind the voice, it was okay to me but the only time I recall Bale being over the top was when he was interrogating that fat corrupt cop.

 

[Gianakin_]

West was hardy one of the worst Batmen, he played Bats perfectly for the time frame he was in.

And I'm fine with the changing of voices from Bruce to Bats, but I didn't like Bale's change.

Jeremy Sisto takes the cake of worst Batman ever.

 

[RobC]

I dunno, the voice is an intricate part of the mythos, it's how he most disguises himself apart from the cowl. Clooney didn't even bother with Batman so I strike him from the list instantly.

Kilmer was quite good, but like I said, Keaton was all about the silence, leacing criminals wondering. Bale was about getting right in their face and showing them he was the boss.

 

[Gianakin_]

Well, Adam West did the same thing. And seeing B&R as a tribute to the Adam West show, I have absolutely no problem.
But Sisto? Good God, I like him generally, but I'd like to shoot anyone who thought of and approved him for JLA.

 

[RobC]

I don't understand, who is Sisto? I thought what's-his-name jr. was JL Batman?

 

[Gianakin_]

No, Jeremy Sisto was the voice of Batman in JLA: The New Frontier, the animated film.
If you're talking about the JL live action movie, then I can't really judge the actor, since I haven't seen him as Batman yet.

 

[RobC]

Oh right, sorry, I got confused!