Time for U.N. army?

[Spider-Bite]

Originally posted by QatzelOk from a politics forum I've rescently begun visiting

I think it's time countries like Canada and Australia leave their Imperialist military alliances and spearhead the creation of a UN army which, like NATO, considers an attack on any member (like Iraq or Afghanistan) an attack on all members.

France and Russia would, together, make this coallition the best hope for balancing racist and murderous hegemons like Nazi Germany and Consumer America.

Target: Canada out of NATO and into UN-Army by 2010.

I responded like so, but I figured we could have the discussion here as well.

Originally posted by Spider-Bite
Very intruiging concept. I'd have to give it some thought before I can form a solid confident opinion, but I can't help but think that at the moment it wouldn't work, because we aren't united enough. I can't help but think that it would promote World War 3, because too many countries would say "F you" to the U.N. army, declare indepandance and stop participating in the U.N. military and just do whatever they want.

Look at the United States. George Bush gave the U.N. the finger when he invaded Iraq, and the U.S. is powerful. In order for a U.N. army to work you would need the United States and China to both be willing to follow the U.N.'s orders even when they are in disagreement with the U.N. And they simply aren't willing to do that.

Remember Bush accused Kerry of holding U.S. interests hostage to the U.N.

 

[hotmail]

There are only a few programs the UN has ever managed that were relatively free from corruption. Everything else has been corrupted by politics to the nth degree.

I vote no, becaue the UN on more than one occasion has proven to be the playground of dictators.

 

[Immortalfire]

Want to be in service, but sit around a do nothing? Join the U.N. Army. It's not a job, it's a vacation!

 

[Assassin]

can Col. Guile be in charge?

 

[Kritish]

Within a few decades the US, EU and China will pretty much rule this planet. I have a feeling that we'll have alliance with both of those nations thus forming a new new NATO esque organization.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Within a few decades the US, EU and China will pretty much rule this planet. I have a feeling that we'll have alliance with both of those nations thus forming a new new NATO esque organization.

more like a century. A one world government has been in the minds of the wolrd's governments for a long time. Countries are always trying to conquer new masses of people and tell them what to do. My fear is that Russia and China will become one nation and then try to conquer the whole world.

I feel that my worl peace plan is a very good way to make sure the one world government is a democracy and not a dicatorship. It owuld be fairly easy to join with Canada and Mexico even without my plan, however my plan would bring in outside money which could be used to cover the transition of joining up with countries. The transition would be expensive. And this is a way to make countries that otherwise wouldn't want to join up with, be more likely to join up with us. Even if it didn't result ina one world government it would still increase the size of our eventually group of united countries, and eventually we'd have so much land that we could just grow food and give it to starving nations in exchange for not acting politically ******ed.

Not to mention that by the time Africa is politically and socially ready to join up with us, their population woudl already be low due to starvation and AIDS, which would be a good way to join up with China. We allow as many Chinese citizens to move here as immigrants, as there are chinese citizens who would want to move here. That would gradually weaken China's military and economy, which would prevent them from conquering the world, and since China would probably rather be a part of the big world government rather than a weakling sitting next to it, then eventually they would want to join.

A lot of people around this world will eventually want to join a one world government for reasons such as unity, avoidance of war, economic prosperity, freedom and so on. I just hope that if a one world govenrment exists it has a constitution very much like ours, but with the ocasional ammendmant. The right to freedom of the press, freedom of belief, free speech, a fair trial, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, as well as economic security need to be the law of the world and not just privileged nations.

For those that haven't read my plan look here.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11324458&postcount=1

As i mentioned in this other thread, http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11324458&postcount=1

eventually technology will make the human worker obsolete. It's inevitable. It's just absolutely going to happen, no matter how much hippie hunter and shadow boxing think it wont. They seem to believe that big business cares more about the economy that they do their own profits.

Businesses will always choose wahtever method of manufacturing costs them the least amount of money with the most amount of profit left over. This will give government's even more power over their people, which is all the more reason we need a one world government with a democracy instead of a dictatorship. This can be used to our advantage.

 

[Kritish]

My fear is that Russia and China will become one nation and then try to conquer the whole world.

That will never happen, China and Russia hate each other, even when they were both communists during the cold war China held a rabid dislike for the USSR.
Also, at the rate China's going they'll have a bigger economy than we do. China and the United States are now at the point that they live with out each other. China needs the richest nation in the world to buy their goods and the US needs someone that will make goods for them at a low cost.
I don't see a one world government happening anytime soon, because as long as there's such vast cultural differences and religon controls people's hearts it will never be.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

It'd never work. It's one big can of worms.

 

[MurphyMan]

A U.N. Army would be like a World Army. It would be just the Army laughed at people like David Icke had mentioned for decades, along with the pre-mentioned New World Order A.K.A One World Government.

A U.N. Army would be dangerous, as would anyone achieving a One World Government. This is because U.N. and Governments are about as corrupt as they are bull****ting about being for their people.

 

[Speedball]

The U.N. cannot raise an army. It cannot legally raise an army.

 

[Spider-Bite]

That will never happen, China and Russia hate each other, even when they were both communists during the cold war China held a rabid dislike for the USSR.
Also, at the rate China's going they'll have a bigger economy than we do. China and the United States are now at the point that they live with out each other. China needs the richest nation in the world to buy their goods and the US needs someone that will make goods for them at a low cost.
I don't see a one world government happening anytime soon, because as long as there's such vast cultural differences and religon controls people's hearts it will never be.

The U.S. is one of the most diverse countries in the world, and we are one big country. We are proof that people of different cultures can live together peacefully so long as there is a democracy. The states are even starting to allow gay marriages to take place, even though gays make up a very small minority. Democracy is the true path to progress.

My fear is that if the United States doesn't lead the world to a one world government the world government that comes into power will be one group of people forcing people to choose their culture and their life style. I fear we wont have freedom. What we really need is to mix all the culture together, so that with in every community you have people from many different cultures living together and interacting together, because when people from different backgrounds get to know each other, that's how they realize that we all have the same red blood flowing through our veins.

The one good thing about a one world government that is a just and fair government, is education. People will be forced to get an education which is essential to people not acting like conservative ******s. Unless we do Shadow Boxing's plan and privatize education so that way ******ed parents can send their children to schools that teach religion, hatred, and bigotry. He says it should be the parent's choice.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That will never happen, China and Russia hate each other, even when they were both communists during the cold war China held a rabid dislike for the USSR.
Also, at the rate China's going they'll have a bigger economy than we do. China and the United States are now at the point that they live with out each other. China needs the richest nation in the world to buy their goods and the US needs someone that will make goods for them at a low cost.
I don't see a one world government happening anytime soon, because as long as there's such vast cultural differences and religon controls people's hearts it will never be.

Actually Russia and China are very good friends.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The U.S. is one of the most diverse countries in the world, and we are one big country. We are proof that people of different cultures can live together peacefully so long as there is a democracy. The states are even starting to allow gay marriages to take place, even though gays make up a very small minority. Democracy is the true path to progress.

The states aren't allowing gay marriages to take place. The states are banning them. Massachusetts is the only state to allow gay marriage and that was court mandated. I don't expect it to last very long.

Onto the topic of a U.N Army. HELL NO! We have U.N. Peacekeepers and they do a rather craptastic job if you ask me. The U.N. is far too incompetent to have an army. And hell no also to one world government.

 

[StorminNorman]

I simply do not trust the UN.

 

[Corinthian™]

The U.N. is as corrupt as any goverment in the world. Accept it as a fact... The disadvantage the U.N. has is that everyone follows their movements

 

[Spider-Bite]

The states aren't allowing gay marriages to take place. The states are banning them. Massachusetts is the only state to allow gay marriage and that was court mandated. I don't expect it to last very long.

The states that are banning them, never allowed them to happen in the first place anyways, and their bans wont last long. Gay marriages are about to start happening in New Jersey as well. Dude the generations of gay haters are gradually dying off and being replaced by progressive voters. you said yourself that Rudy Giulliani is the future of the republican party. and while were on that subject.

Did you hear about California moving up it's primary? Do you know what that means? Rudy is going to be our president in 2008. The nomination was practically impossible for him, but California is a blue state, and even the republicans there are socially liberal. California will be an easy primary for Rudy, and when he gets the nomination I don't believe there is any democrat who stands a chance against him. i'd prefer a democrat, but I'll still be very happy when he replaces Bush. Rudy wont veto embryonic stem cell research, and he can't force Democrats to renew the Bush tax cuts.

And hell no also to one world government.

Dude get with the 21'st century. Why is the border between nations any more important than the border between states? Why don't people in Iraq, China, and Africa deserve first ammendmant rights? Why would you want a huge threatening power sitting right next to us, to fight us for resources? Your vision of the future leaves half the world living under communist dictators who will ultimately try to conquer us anyways.

Besides when we go interstellar we need a one world government. I imagine one out of so many alien races are kind of hostile and we don't want to be this species divided on this tiny little rock. Besides it's important that we learn to live together prior to going interstellar. If we haven't already learned to live with different kinds of humans, than how do you think we will react to Aliens more different than anything we've ever imagined?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Dude get with the 21'st century. Why is the border between nations any more important than the border between states? Why don't people in Iraq, China, and Africa deserve first ammendmant rights? Why would you want a huge threatening power sitting right next to us, to fight us for resources? Your vision of the future leaves half the world living under communist dictators who will ultimately try to conquer us anyways.

There could never be one world government. There would be too many complications. You have to select certain individuals and no matter what, there's gonna be some group who isn't happy. And when you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one.

Besides when we go interstellar we need a one world government. I imagine one out of so many alien races are kind of hostile and we don't want to be this species divided on this tiny little rock. Besides it's important that we learn to live together prior to going interstellar. If we haven't already learned to live with different kinds of humans, than how do you think we will react to Aliens more different than anything we've ever imagined?

That is stupid. We don't need a one world government in case aliens come (if ever). If they did, I don't think the idea of a species divided amongst itself would be uncommon to them. What makes you think aliens would want to live amongst us anyway?

 

[hippie_hunter]

The states that are banning them, never allowed them to happen in the first place anyways, and their bans wont last long. Gay marriages are about to start happening in New Jersey as well. Dude the generations of gay haters are gradually dying off and being replaced by progressive voters. you said yourself that Rudy Giulliani is the future of the republican party. and while were on that subject.

No, all the states are on the process of banning them. Massachusetts is expected to vote on the issue of banning it come 2008 or 2010 and New Jersey is allowing civil unions, not gay marriage.

Did you hear about California moving up it's primary? Do you know what that means? Rudy is going to be our president in 2008. The nomination was practically impossible for him, but California is a blue state, and even the republicans there are socially liberal. California will be an easy primary for Rudy, and when he gets the nomination I don't believe there is any democrat who stands a chance against him. i'd prefer a democrat, but I'll still be very happy when he replaces Bush. Rudy wont veto embryonic stem cell research, and he can't force Democrats to renew the Bush tax cuts.

It really means nothing. A lot of states are moving their primaries up closer to the first five. We are still going to have to watch state by state to determine the Republican winner unlike the Democrats.

Dude get with the 21'st century. Why is the border between nations any more important than the border between states? Why don't people in Iraq, China, and Africa deserve first ammendmant rights? Why would you want a huge threatening power sitting right next to us, to fight us for resources? Your vision of the future leaves half the world living under communist dictators who will ultimately try to conquer us anyways.

My vision doesn't leave us at that at all. I just beleive that the world should remain culturally diverse and that they all determine their paths on their own.

Besides when we go interstellar we need a one world government. I imagine one out of so many alien races are kind of hostile and we don't want to be this species divided on this tiny little rock. Besides it's important that we learn to live together prior to going interstellar. If we haven't already learned to live with different kinds of humans, than how do you think we will react to Aliens more different than anything we've ever imagined?

I think it's a little too early to think interstellar.

 

[hotmail]

I think it's a little too early to think interstellar.

Just as it's never too early to plan for retirement, it's never too early to plan interstellar conquest.

 

[Kaboom]

yeah thats smart.

the member nations of the security council cant agree on anything and you expect them to deploy troops?

and what happens if there is an army and it has to be depolyed against a home state? are all the soldiers automatically traitors?

and somebody was talking about the EU? Isnt that falling apart? Doesnt England refuse to go from the pound to the euro? Their attempt at a European constitution fails every time it comes up for ratification. AND expansion into eastern europe has had a huge destabilizing effect on western european member nations.

There are just so many factors to consider with any type of question like this....:

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I simply do not trust the UN.

The U.N. is as corrupt as any goverment in the world. Accept it as a fact... The disadvantage the U.N. has is that everyone follows their movements