The Last Jedi TLJ vs RO

[P Supreme]

I've rewatched RO numerous times

No need to see /TLJ ever again for me

so RO

 

[henzINNIT]

I'll never see Rogue One a second time. Vapid, soulless fan service.

TLJ is quite heavily flawed, but at least something happens. I also have no issue with Luke's role in the film, so that helps substantially.

 

[marcvader]

Love Rogue One, don't love Last Jedi.

 

[Bats123]

TLJ, easily.
I cant for the life of me understand why anyone loves RO, its such a nothing movie.
I guess some people are so nostalgic about everything and are like “OH MY GOD I CLAPPED WHEN DARTH VADER USED A LIGHTSABER” “OMG ITS TARKIN, I CLAPPED” which, ok, that’s cool but its nothing new, and the characters are boring, it really says something when the character you remember most is a droid.

 

[Kev4000]

Last Jedi win this very very Close for me, because only the last act work for me in Rogue One.

 

[DerekLake]

I found myself enjoying Rogue One more than TLJ, despite its many flaws (especially with the main characters, especially Jyn). I have substantial issues with TLJ’s B plot that I think even substract from its A plot. While Rogue One does drag (especially the Jedha bits), I overall found it enjoyable. It felt more like a Star Wars film to me, and I thought it did a much better job at characterizing the Rebellion than the sequel trilogy has ever done with the Resistance. Same with the Empire vs the First Order. As you might be able to tell, I really don’t like the Resistance or First Order.

 

[Mjölnir]

TLJ just flat out sucked, RO at least had this:

It's a shame that what I wanted out of the new trilogy was a new kind of story and new things, yet nothing has matched that Vader scene that's just all about celebrating a part of the OT.

 

[Steyin]

I only voted for TLJ because RO is my most hated SW film with TLJ being 2nd.

 

[MaceB]

I only voted for TLJ because RO is my most hated SW film with TLJ being 2nd.

You think TLJ is less good than AotC? Jeez. AotC is literally one of the worst movies I have ever seen, IMO.

 

[Steyin]

You think TLJ is less good than AotC? Jeez. AotC is literally one of the worst movies I have ever seen, IMO.

In terms of quality, no. In terms of enjoyment, yes.

 

[Consona]

It's a shame that what I wanted out of the new trilogy was a new kind of story and new things, yet nothing has matched that Vader scene that's just all about celebrating a part of the OT.

Without any exaggeration, that one RO Vader scene was vastly superior to TFA and TLJ combined. Best SW moment since the original trilogy. (Except for the Williams' music, his themes in the prequel trilogy are phenomenal.)

After the prequels and two films into the sequels, it's clearer than ever, the only thing I'll call Star Wars is the original trilogy. RO was fine, both of the Vader scenes were great, IMO, just great, but all the saga films after the OT... eh... TFA was a big rehash but ok, they needed a safe movie after the prequels, story sucked but it felt like a SW movie, but TLJ quite killed my interest in the franchise, they don't know what to do with it and more importantly, it felt like a huge budget spoof film, which is just... wow... Jar Jar smelling farts level of wtf did I just saw.

And the Solo movie, omg, I don't like origin/prequel films for already established characters in general, I don't need to know how Joker got his scars, it robs a character of his mojo, especially when done wrong, and this feels exactly like that.

They should stop, rethink the whole thing (I don't know how they want to save this sequel trilogy since TLJ sucked that much, plus it did not felt like a middle part of a trilogy it felt like a TV show filler episode that led nowhere. Kylo is still an emo evil-wannabe who doesn't like Hux and feels something for Rey, just like in TFA, Finn after this movie is even less interesting then after TFA, should I mention Snoke and Phasma and Luke and Rose and...eh.)
They had the whole fricking expanded universe to steal awesome ideas from, they have all the money in the world to hire whoever they want. And they gave us a rehash that's about, I don't even know what's the TFA about, it tries to be ANH but the fairytale hero's journey story is not there, and they gave us TLJ, the last nail in the coffin. But RO was nice, so I voted for RO in the poll.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is much closer for me than TFA vs TLJ is.

However, I still voted RO over TLJ. The latter has better characters, buts that because we have had more movies to get to know them. Both had really good highs. But both had problems with plot and editing. No scene in TLJ however, matches the Vader scene in RO.

At the same time, none of the poor moments in RO angered me as much as the ones in TLJ. So RO for me.

 

[LucDisfilm19]

Rogue One

 

[regnak]

Rogue One by 375,000 light years.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Without any exaggeration, that one RO Vader scene was vastly superior to TFA and TLJ combined. Best SW moment since the original trilogy. (Except for the Williams' music, his themes in the prequel trilogy are phenomenal.)

After the prequels and two films into the sequels, it's clearer than ever, the only thing I'll call Star Wars is the original trilogy. RO was fine, both of the Vader scenes were great, IMO, just great, but all the saga films after the OT... eh... TFA was a big rehash but ok, they needed a safe movie after the prequels, story sucked but it felt like a SW movie, but TLJ quite killed my interest in the franchise, they don't know what to do with it and more importantly, it felt like a huge budget spoof film, which is just... wow... Jar Jar smelling farts level of wtf did I just saw.

And the Solo movie, omg, I don't like origin/prequel films for already established characters in general, I don't need to know how Joker got his scars, it robs a character of his mojo, especially when done wrong, and this feels exactly like that.

They should stop, rethink the whole thing (I don't know how they want to save this sequel trilogy since TLJ sucked that much, plus it did not felt like a middle part of a trilogy it felt like a TV show filler episode that led nowhere. Kylo is still an emo evil-wannabe who doesn't like Hux and feels something for Rey, just like in TFA, Finn after this movie is even less interesting then after TFA, should I mention Snoke and Phasma and Luke and Rose and...eh.)
They had the whole fricking expanded universe to steal awesome ideas from, they have all the money in the world to hire whoever they want. And they gave us a rehash that's about, I don't even know what's the TFA about, it tries to be ANH but the fairytale hero's journey story is not there, and they gave us TLJ, the last nail in the coffin. But RO was nice, so I voted for RO in the poll.

It's a complete exaggeration.

The Force Awakens and the Last Jedi are not only better then Rogue One, not only vastly better then the old EU (which was mostly awful), not only easily better then the prequels, but better then RotJ and on the level of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back.

If JJ nails IX, we are talking about the best Star Wars trilogy. Which is pretty good.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's a complete exaggeration.

The Force Awakens and the Last Jedi are not only better then Rogue One, not only vastly better then the old EU (which was mostly awful), not only easily better then the prequels, but better then RotJ and on the level of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back.

If JJ nails IX, we are talking about the best Star Wars trilogy. Which is pretty good.

I enjoy all the OT films more than I do the ST films, but where I will agree is that so long as Episode IX ends up closer in quality to TLJ, it will definitely be a worthy successor trilogy to the OT, and the ST is better Star Wars than anything we have been given since the OT. I have a hard time seeing Ep 9 being as good as TLJ mainly due to some issues I have with JJ's body of work, but I am crossing my fingers that it at least scores within that ballpark, even if TLJ ends up with the better seats. I know you liked TFA a lot more than I did, which is fine...but I just have some of the same issues with it that I do with almost all of JJ's films.

I never read much EU, so I cannot speak to any of the quality. But, many of the plot points I do know about sound kind of fan fic-ish to me (not all of it, but there are some bits). Kudos to people who love them, I just don't think the old EU really offers me anything.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I went with Rogue One, although it is a closer decision than the one between TLJ and TFA. They both have sloppy narratives in spots, but I think the problems run deeper in TLJ. For example, I have similar issues with Finn's plot in TLJ and Saw's plot in RO, but Finn's is given more time and focus so it is a bigger detriment. Plus the Saw stuff at least ends with a really good Death Star firing sequence instead of a silly horse race.

And that's basically it. The two films remind me a lot of each other and they both have a lot great stuff in them, but the problems with TLJ bugged me just that much more than the ones with RO. I can certainly see the argument for TLJ, but I personally enjoyed RO more.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I enjoy all the OT films more than I do the ST films, but where I will agree is that so long as Episode IX ends up closer in quality to TLJ, it will definitely be a worthy successor trilogy to the OT, and the ST is better Star Wars than anything we have been given since the OT. I have a hard time seeing Ep 9 being as good as TLJ mainly due to some issues I have with JJ's body of work, but I am crossing my fingers that it at least scores within that ballpark, even if TLJ ends up with the better seats. I know you liked TFA a lot more than I did, which is fine...but I just have some of the same issues with it that I do with almost all of JJ's films.

I never read much EU, so I cannot speak to any of the quality. But, many of the plot points I do know about sound kind of fan fic-ish to me (not all of it, but there are some bits). Kudos to people who love them, I just don't think the old EU really offers me anything.

I love all the OT films. I grew up with them, I adore them. But I find complaints about editing, storytelling, plot, pacing etc. for films like TFA and TLJ incredible considering RotJ is praised in the process. A movie that has no idea what to do with Han and Leia. A very poorly paced movie, with a Carrie who doesn't seem invested and a final space battle not involving any one of the three major protagonist. Compared to Star Wars, Empire, Awakens and Last Jedi, it just poorly made.

Rogue One is kind of devoid of characters (outside of Chirrut who is a legend), poorly edited and has a third act that has not aged well for me. I has great moments though.

I grew up with the EU. I still enjoy a lot of it, but it ate itself rather quickly and even the Thrawn stuff hasn't aged all that well. Not the fault of Thrawn though. It was the story around him.

 

[Iceman]

It's a complete exaggeration.

The Force Awakens and the Last Jedi are not only better then Rogue One, not only vastly better then the old EU (which was mostly awful), not only easily better then the prequels, but better then RotJ and on the level of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back.

If JJ nails IX, we are talking about the best Star Wars trilogy. Which is pretty good.

Wow, I didn't know you rated them quite that highly!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wow, I didn't know you rated them quite that highly!

Empire, Awakens, Star Wars and Last Jedi would be my list. And that would be my "great Star Wars" list, though going to need some time with TLJ. Canto Bight and the characterization of Poe are odd and easy to solve. Same with a lack of Rey in act 3. Though I do love RotJ and rather enjoy Rogue One.

 

[Mjölnir]

RotJ has it's problems and some are quite significant. The Ewoks being by far the largest. That doesn't prevent it from being much better than the new films for me though.

With TLJ the question is whether to put it third or fourth from the bottom.

 

[BatLobster]

I still think the Vader scene in Rogue One gets way too much credit haha. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely cool to have a moment with Vader at the height of his powers, but I have a hard time with a fact that the most memorable moment in that movie is basically a glorified fan-service scene that doesn't involve any of the main characters. I enjoy the horror-vibe of it, but it feels tacked on to me.

It's to the ST's credit that I feel more riveted any time Kylo is on screen than any time Vader was on screen in RO.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I love all the OT films. I grew up with them, I adore them. But I find complaints about editing, storytelling, plot, pacing etc. for films like TFA and TLJ incredible considering RotJ is praised in the process. A movie that has no idea what to do with Han and Leia. A very poorly paced movie, with a Carrie who doesn't seem invested and a final space battle not involving any one of the three major protagonist. Compared to Star Wars, Empire, Awakens and Last Jedi, it just poorly made.

Rogue One is kind of devoid of characters (outside of Chirrut who is a legend), poorly edited and has a third act that has not aged well for me. I has great moments though.

I grew up with the EU. I still enjoy a lot of it, but it ate itself rather quickly and even the Thrawn stuff hasn't aged all that well. Not the fault of Thrawn though. It was the story around him.

Return of the Jedi shines brighter than any of the newer movies when it shines brightest. Those moments trump any of the other ones, so I enjoy the movie more than I do the newer ones.

 

[Iceman]

Empire, Awakens, Star Wars and Last Jedi would be my list. And that would be my "great Star Wars" list, though going to need some time with TLJ. Canto Bight and the characterization of Poe are odd and easy to solve. Same with a lack of Rey in act 3. Though I do love RotJ and rather enjoy Rogue One.

I'm sure there are a bunch of others with the same 4 as their favourites. Ignoring the prequels they are the Episode films aside from RotJ and many seem to have some issues with that one. I have issues with the Ewoks taking out the Stormtroopers (don’t mind them being in otherwise) as it makes the threat seem like something your local cops could take care of. But otherwise I love the film. The whole of the original trilogy has an X-Factor that for me is missing in every film since even though I would theoretically prefer the material a modern SW film could cover with the foundations for world building toward a much larger universe already set in place.

What did you mean by easy to solve btw re Canto Bight and the characterization of Poe? I enjoy all the new films – they are all mostly 8s out of 10 overall for me but I see them as good films rather than something to get crazy about. And something about the way TLJ leaves things deflates some of my overall excitement for Star Wars unfortunately.

 

[Brother Jack]

Return of the Jedi shines brighter than any of the newer movies when it shines brightest. Those moments trump any of the other ones, so I enjoy the movie more than I do the newer ones.

Yeah, it has some pretty significant problems (not least of which is the cinematography), but everything with Luke, Vader, and the Emperor is so perfect that I still have to give it kudos.