TMOS Review & Speculation Thread

[TheFlamingCoco]

It's also such a down way to end the first film of what is expected to be a huge franchise. Like they could end the second film that way, seeing as pretty much all second parters end on a bummer cliff-hanger since The Empire Strikes Back. The guy said not only do we have to watch Superman kill somebody, but then be devastated by it? That's a very questionable path to take, if true.

Or a third film if it involves Doomsday. Speaking of which, I liked the comic where Doomsday was actually smart do to Brainiac's upload of his intelligence. Or something of that nature.

 

[JOE]

i want superman to call up zod while zod is delivering his threat to the world and tell him that he's going to beat him to death and then drink his blood from a big red boot.

Rated PG - 14.

 

[Tra-El]

Actually thats exactly how the reviewer said it happens-Supes pretty much has no choice-he does in it an instant to save a life in danger at the very momment.

Interesting. Makes you think about how or even why Black-Zero/Phantom Zone is in existence to begin with. Even in the trailers, it looks like Superman is sacrificing himself when standing in the middle of Zod's mega-beams and flying to the center of the aurora that's causing it (whether that's the outcome of Black-Zero or not.)

It's been widely known that the studio wants to give fans what they want as far as action goes. All we ever wanted was top-notch action and for Superman to simply "punch somebody." They gave us that thrill and need in trailer #3, but to go from "punching somebody" to killing is one giant leap maybe not all fans can handle.

I think it's fake. We shall see.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of powers. Powers that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let Lois go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you."

 

[silentrascal]

The Christopher Reeve Superman killed Zod, and pretty much had to in order to save the world. Just because he smashed the guy's hand and then threw him into an abyss doesn't mean anything much different compared to IF he snaps his neck in MoS.....just so long as he beats the living snot out of Zod during the course of the movie prior to doing him in.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

^ Yeah, it wouldn't sit right to have Batman save the Joker and Superman ACTIVELY killing Zod. My bets are on

Spoiler

the self destructing black Zero. If Lois is trapped there, and these Kryptonians aren't trying to save themselves despite their abilities, then in the heat of the moment, he could only save Lane (hence the shot of him saving Lois from a MASSIVE explosion). He'd probably feel a little guilty, but then Lois will kiss him, which would cheer him up, knowing that he made the right choice.

I'd be okay with that. Especially the kissing part

Actually thats exactly how the reviewer said it happens-Supes pretty much has no choice-he does in it an instant to save a life in danger at the very momment.

See the things is, the debate in terms of whether or not it should happen in the film isn't neccesarily 'would Superman do it in this situation'. It's 'why put that situation in the movie at all?'... because it doesn't have to be there.

If they have created a situation in which Superman HAS to kill, then they are trying to make a point. And i'm not really sure what that point would be, especially considering their stance with Batman.

I want Superman to call up Zod while Zod is delivering his threat to the world and tell him that he's going to beat him to death and then drink his blood from a big red boot.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

The Christopher Reeve Superman killed Zod, and pretty much had to in order to save the world. Just because he smashed the guy's hand and then threw him into an abyss doesn't mean anything much different compared to IF he snaps his neck in MoS.....just so long as he beats the living snot out of Zod during the course of the movie prior to doing him in.

He entirely didn't have to. That's what made it such an abomination to me. He had literally just stipped them of their powers. They could have been imprisoned like any other human being.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

He entirely didn't have to. That's what made it such an abomination to me. He had literally just stipped them of their powers. They could have been imprisoned like any other human being.

Clark's return to the diner to confront the bully was as problematic.

 

[JOE]

What if he's trying to catch Zod from falling off a bridge and his neck snaps accidentally?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Clark's return to the diner to confront the bully was as problematic.

Not quite as bad as killing, but yeah it wasn't great.

What if he's trying to catch Zod from falling off a bridge and his neck snaps accidentally?

Then this is a really weirdly upsetting movie.

 

[Rowsdower!]

He entirely didn't have to. That's what made it such an abomination to me. He had literally just stipped them of their powers. They could have been imprisoned like any other human being.

Yeah, but it was cooler to see him just drop the bastard in a hole.

Besides, he did him a favor. Can you imagine how quickly that version of Zod would have gotten his ass kicked in prison? He wouldn't have made it past lunchtime.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Yeah, but it was cooler to see him just drop the bastard in a hole.

Besides, he did him a favor. Can you imagine how quickly that version of Zod would have gotten his ass kicked in prison? He wouldn't have made it past lunchtime.

Should have just shoved Lex down there too while he was at it. It's just villain favouritism is what it is.

 

[JOE]

Not quite as bad as killing, but yeah it wasn't great.





Then this is a really weirdly upsetting movie.

Sounds awfully familiar to a certain 2014 movie eh?

I guess it'd be a bit awkward. Still, it'd be an accident.

 

[Kalonthar]

Yeah, but it was cooler to see him just drop the bastard in a hole.

Besides, he did him a favor. Can you imagine how quickly that version of Zod would have gotten his ass kicked in prison? He wouldn't have made it past lunchtime.

Well, I'm sure Zod can defend himself without powers better than Superman at least.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Sounds awfully familiar to a certain 2014 movie eh?

I guess it'd be a bit awkward. Still, it'd be an accident.

What movie?

 

[X Knight]

I really hope that "spoiler" about Zod isn't true.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

What if he's trying to catch Zod from falling off a bridge and his neck snaps accidentally?

I could live with that. OK, maybe not THAT, but some type of inevitable accident killing Zod would be a great way to do it.

 

[Tra-El]

Great article appropriate with the direction of this discussion and bringing up times he DOES kill....

Man of Steel countdown: Why Superman does NOT kill:

http://www.movies.com/movie-news/man-steel-countdown-why-superman-does-not-kill/11992

I'm having a hard time believing they will go to that great wave-length within the reboot with SUPERMAN nonetheless where he kills immediately in the first portion of his return. If it does occur and Superman is forced to kill, that means the devastation and scope is MUCH, MUCH bigger than we thought and that puts pressure on the future Superman-franchise moving forward for the next installment of making Kal-EL's world even MORE dangerous around him. That's a pretty big and intense pressure on Superman's future rogue gallery to be an even bigger threat than Zod ever would be. Not buying it.

 

[Manosman]

I'm guessing if Zod kicks the bucket, it'll be a by-product of Black Zero.

 

[JOE]

What movie?

Amazing Spider-Man lol that was my reference.

 

[Rowsdower!]

On the plus side, SUPERMAN KILLS would be a cool name for a sequel.



Starring Danny Trejo.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The embargo probably means the critics don't like the movie. World war z already has a rt score. Most movies that get embargos suck. Scares me cause I want it to be great

not necessarily

i remember WB had put an embargo on The Dark Knight Rises reviews last year as well

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm guessing if Zod kicks the bucket, it'll be a by-product of Black Zero.

I'm fine with that but I'd prefer he be sent to the Phantom Zone. I'm sure

Spoiler

Superman's not gonna snap Zod's neck

 

[Zionite1]

Interesting. Makes you think about how or even why Black-Zero/Phantom Zone is in existence to begin with. :

Maybe to deal with the rest of the Kryptonians

I'm having a hard time believing they will go to that great wave-length within the reboot with SUPERMAN nonetheless where he kills immediately in the first portion of his return. If it does occur and Superman is forced to kill, that means the devastation and scope is MUCH, MUCH bigger than we thought and that puts pressure on the future Superman-franchise moving forward for the next installment of making Kal-EL's world even MORE dangerous around him. That's a pretty big and intense pressure on Superman's future rogue gallery to be an even bigger threat than Zod ever would be. Not buying it.

This is already the case whether or not Superman kills.We have Alien ships,God like Aliens,Robot armies,a Machine monster all for Supes to fight.Sequel already has a tough job-I love it

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I'm fine with that but I'd prefer he be sent to the Phantom Zone. I'm sure

Spoiler

Superman's not gonna snap Zod's neck

Spoiler

Phantom Zone would be the best choice, showing Superman's ability to outwit his opponent. A self-destruct device would be the second-best choice, showing the moral conflicts of who to save AND killing the villains by their own hand. Superman just grabbing Zod's neck and snapping it establishes a new character that's less moral than the recent Batman, and provides a weird tone for the franchise. What's to stop him from killing again?

By making Superman less moral than both Spider-Man and Batman is an awful way to start things out, even if the movie was a masterpiece up to that point. It wouldn't ruin the movie for me, but it would make me sigh at the wasted potential.