TMOS Review & Speculation Thread

[El KnightoDarko]

I personally think having

Spoiler

Superman kill somebody and then be devastated by it

is no worse than Bats allowing Ra's to die ("I don't have to save you") in BB.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Amazing Spider-Man lol that was my reference.

Still not getting it...

On the plus side, SUPERMAN KILLS would be a cool name for a sequel.



Starring Danny Trejo.

Or Sean Penn.

Cause you know, he's got the eyes of a wild caged animal, of a ******* killer.

Maybe to deal with the rest of the Kryptonians

Why have him kill one villain when there is a humane alternative available that you are then going to use to dispose of the rest... makes no sense.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I personally think having

Spoiler

Superman kill somebody and then be devastated by it

is no worse than Bats allowing Ra's to die ("I don't have to save you") in BB.

I think because Batman didn't INTENTIONALLY perform the physical act in any of the movies, he gets a pass for his inconsistent morality code.

I was just thinking in terms of the GA and fans.

 

[El KnightoDarko]

I think because Batman didn't INTENTIONALLY perform the physical act in any of the movies, he gets a pass for his inconsistent morality code.

I was just thinking in terms of the GA and fans.

I think his actions were pretty deliberate if you consider his portrayal in comic books (saving super-villains and putting them in Arkham, even though he knows they will break out and kill again). He had a choice to save Ra's and he didn't.

I'm hopeful that Nolan/Goyer will mask the horrific nature of the act (if any) by having the proper justification for it, as well as the appropriate build-up.

 

[Manosman]

By making Superman less moral than both Spider-Man and Batman is an awful way to start things out, even if the movie was a masterpiece up to that point. It wouldn't ruin the movie for me, but it would make me sigh at the wasted potential.

We are dealing with a superman who is just learning his powers and the magnitude of those powers. If he does kill, it could be a result of not knowing his limits and/or the limits of his enemy. We already know Zod and Superman throw down. If he ends up killing Zod it can be the result of not knowing what the limits are. These powers that all Kryptonians have on earth seem to have different levels depending on the circumstances. If for some reason Zod is weakened because he hasn't been exposed to a yellow sun as long as supes and a blow that he recovered from earlier in the battle all of sudden kills him, I don't think Superman could have predicted that outcome. It doesn't make him less moral. Now if Zod and co. is out for the count and supes keeps going after them, then it's reasonable to question those morals. Kind of like murder vs self defense.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Still not getting it...



Or Sean Penn.

Cause you know, he's got the eyes of a wild caged animal, of a ******* killer.





Why have him kill one villain when there is a humane alternative available that you are then going to use to dispose of the rest... makes no sense.

Lmao, I busted out laughing after I heard kevin smith say that. Like he wanted superman to start ripping out throats and breaking necks.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Lmao, I busted out laughing after I heard kevin smith say that. Like he wanted superman to start ripping out throats and breaking necks.

Yeah, I love that line. Especially followed with the completely baffled look on his face and response of 'But... it's Superman!'

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

We are dealing with a superman who is just learning his powers and the magnitude of those powers. If he does kill, it could be a result of not knowing his limits and/or the limits of his enemy. We already know Zod and Superman throw down. If he ends up killing Zod it can be the result of not knowing what the limits are. These powers that all Kryptonians have on earth seem to have different levels depending on the circumstances. If for some reason Zod is weakened because he hasn't been exposed to a yellow sun as long as supes and a blow that he recovered from earlier in the battle all of sudden kills him, I don't think Superman could have predicted that outcome. It doesn't make him less moral. Now if Zod and co. is out for the count and supes keeps going after them, then it's reasonable to question those morals. Kind of like murder vs self defense.

Yeah.. if he hits him and Zod stops moving, then he can realize the importance of holding back, even when confronting a seemingly unstoppable foe. But that is a DARK way of starting out.

 

[Smallville13]

Having Superman kill in this would be unfortunate to say the least. I guess in an extreme circumstance if he had no other option, but that seems like the kinda situation Goyer should have really avoided in the script. If he does kill someone then that's making a point, and quite an intentional one. I think Snyder has too much love for the comics to make that call though.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ The Watchmen street fight says hello.
But yes, I definitely agree. He's as close as we come to a purist on the DC front. I also think MOS3 will have a MUCH less controversial ending than TDKR.

 

[Manosman]

Yeah.. if he hits him and Zod stops moving, then he can realize the importance of holding back, even when confronting a seemingly unstoppable foe. But that is a DARK way of starting out.

It may be dark, (not saying that its going to go down like that) but it kind of fits in the world they seem to have built. It would also make Clark really have to step back and look at what the consequences of his actions can produce. Should I expose myself to world, and what are those consequences? Can I use my powers, and what are those consequences? Can I really let lose and use my powers to the full potential, and what are those consequences?

 

[silentrascal]

We are dealing with a superman who is just learning his powers and the magnitude of those powers. If he does kill, it could be a result of not knowing his limits and/or the limits of his enemy. We already know Zod and Superman throw down. If he ends up killing Zod it can be the result of not knowing what the limits are. These powers that all Kryptonians have on earth seem to have different levels depending on the circumstances. If for some reason Zod is weakened because he hasn't been exposed to a yellow sun as long as supes and a blow that he recovered from earlier in the battle all of sudden kills him, I don't think Superman could have predicted that outcome. It doesn't make him less moral. Now if Zod and co. is out for the count and supes keeps going after them, then it's reasonable to question those morals. Kind of like murder vs self defense.

However, we also have to count in the fact that Kal-El knows he's Kryptonian and knows the earth's sun is the source of his power......so he also knows the same about Zod and co. If Kryptonite is no factor in this movie, then he knows his enemies are as impervious to earth's weaponry as he is. So then where does that leave him in how to deal with them? There's no jail or anything on earth that could hold him (or them). The only real option left for him to stop them and protect humanity is to kill them......unless they most certainly would kill him first, followed by all of mankind.

 

[Smallville13]

^ The Watchmen street fight says hello.
But yes, I definitely agree. He's as close as we come to a purist on the DC front. I also think MOS3 will have a MUCH less controversial ending than TDKR.

All-Star ending all the way!

 

[Rowsdower!]

Still not getting it...



Or Sean Penn.

Cause you know, he's got the eyes of a wild caged animal, of a ******* killer.





Why have him kill one villain when there is a humane alternative available that you are then going to use to dispose of the rest... makes no sense.

Haha, yes!

 

[X Knight]

I'll be extremely pissed if Superman does snap Zod's neck, if that is even true.

that would undo the enormous amount of goodwill and excitement I have for this film.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but just think what we could have gotten if Jon Peters' bizarre concept of Superman had ever made its way onto film.

Superman probably would have ripped Zod's head off and punted it into the sun.

 

[robot]

Having Superman kill in this would be unfortunate to say the least. I guess in an extreme circumstance if he had no other option, but that seems like the kinda situation Goyer should have really avoided in the script. If he does kill someone then that's making a point, and quite an intentional one. I think Snyder has too much love for the comics to make that call though.

I have watched a lot of Justice / Superman cartoons lately... Superman and gang do kill.. they blow ships up, etc... you just don't see them die up and close... but they do kill...

And I don't understand this 'boyscout, no kill' moral thing... it's stupid... at least to me... if you have a terrorist that's planning to kill thousands or have killed thousands or even millions, it makes no sense to keep him around to kill some more...

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I'll be extremely pissed if Superman does snap Zod's neck, if that is even true.

that would undo the enormous amount of goodwill and excitement I have for this film.

Yup. I'd be a deflated balloon.

Actually, TBH, with being this close to the finish line, and having been looking forward to this film for years... I think i'd be kind of heart broken.

 

[X Knight]

Yup. I'd be a deflated balloon.

Actually, TBH, with being this close to the finish line, and having been looking forward to this film for years... I think i'd be kind of heart broken.

yeah. I think that's the word. heart broken.

 

[SofNascimento]

The fun things is while comics fan are divided by this, the general public won't even care.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

You guys are actually serious? I know this is a big no no for Supes, but if he has no choice? What if this is a situation where if he doesnt do anything, somebody else dies? Indeed, the no killing rule is just stupid to begin with, it's all good and nice, but there comes a point where it has its limits.

He cannot save everyone. Same for Batman, it makes no sense.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I do agree that it would be sad to see Superman kill someone, but well, if that's my only complaint about this movie... then I won't have much of an issue with it at all. We've been waiting so long and after the embarrassing snorefest that was Superman Returns, a great Superman movie with a controversial ending isn't such a bad thing at all.

Batman letting Ra's die in BB never set quite right with me either, but it didn't ruin the movie for me.

 

[JOE]

Still not getting it...

It's a reference to the Death of Gwen Stacy. She dies by being thrown off the bridge and when Spider-Man tries to save her, her neck snaps.

 

[Tra-El]

Givin' the context and the circumstances surrounding Supes's decision in that moment, I honestly don't think I have a problem with it, AT ALL. We'll see how it's executed. Comic fans will certainly be divided because it sounds nasty in words, but on screen, it could be a moment to where you realize it HAD to be done.

In my nature, it's interesting since I'm a big Superman comic-fan but at the same time, would openly welcome controversy surrounding this issue because it widens the Superman character to go where the GA has never seen him gone before in this capacity.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Meanwhile in Marvel movies (except for Spiderman) they regularly kill their enemies and nobody minds :P
Not that I mind, I just find the contrast kind of funny.