The Dark Knight To Bleach or Not to Bleach? That is the Question

It's definitely awesome to see more footage of him playing the sillier side of Joker.
 
Crook said:
Whoo! Bar none my favorite trailer and best use of depicting the Joker.

This serves to point out B_F's point, however. There is a clear difference between how Joker acts in that spot and the entire first trailer. That spot is pretty much how I'd like to see Joker act most of the time. I'm glad Heath has embraced that part of the character.
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i disagree. there was plenty of indication to anyone objectively looking that heath's joker would have moments of mania and "looney" ness long before this.
 
I'm not talking about "moments", but general behavior of the character. You can't deny that very early on in the marketing, a more serious Joker with some loony moments was being shown.
 
Crook said:
I'm not talking about "moments", but general behavior of the character. You can't deny that very early on in the marketing, a more serious Joker with some loony moments was being shown.
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I kinda have a theroy behind that. I think a lot of the general populace of movie goers, thought that the Joker was too campy for Nolan's stuff. So at first they showed that the Joker is dark, and why us comic fans know him to be one of the most sinister and dangerous villains around. Then as time goes on it seems they introduce more of the Joker's nutty/funny side.

I am stoked though. Great footage.
 
Crook said:
I'm not talking about "moments", but general behavior of the character. You can't deny that very early on in the marketing, a more serious Joker with some loony moments was being shown.
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Throwing a woman out of a window is pretty serious, and laughing about it is only creepier. But that spot is the greatest thing I have seen so far from this movie. It solves a lot of problems around here.
 
Crook said:
Whoo! Bar none my favorite trailer and best use of depicting the Joker.

This serves to point out B_F's point, however. There is a clear difference between how Joker acts in that spot and the entire first trailer. That spot is pretty much how I'd like to see Joker act most of the time. I'm glad Heath has embraced that part of the character.
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Agreed. I have no doubt that Heath took everything we love about Joker and enhanced it x10 for the silver screen.
 
Yeah one of my concerns was that the movie was beginning to feel way too dark and heavy, and not in a good way. Overbearing, suffocating and grim. Agreed it looks like the new spot is trying to counter that.


Also the "I love this job" line from Heath, it works on two levels :csad:. I think that must of been intentional.
 
guitarkhero311 said:
Throwing a woman out of a window is pretty serious, and laughing about it is only creepier. But that spot is the greatest thing I have seen so far from this movie. It solves a lot of problems around here.
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I love that moment where he tosses her out and breaks into a cackle. Its completely twisted and without remorse.
 
BatmanFanatatic said:
Well if you've ever worn make-up you know it doesn't just keep itself up day after day without reapplication.
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I have worn make up, that is where the idea of stage make up and the constant application of it gives that worn look that we get with this Joker. He does apply it, but it is not going to be like every night he washes it off and cleans up then wakes up and reapplies, the Joker applies it some comes off so he freshens up and it just layers and layers.
 
deathfromabove said:
yeah maybe they could give him a nasty scar on his face or something.:cwink:
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Right, why not just give him some completely random and very obvious physical trait which had no basis in the comic books whatsoever, as opposed to the physical traits already well established in the comic / BTAS / other films cannon?

Makes sense to me... oh wait, no it doesn't.

Why? I mean changing it doesn't make him any better, it doesn't improve or serve the character... honestly, Joker isn't like my favorite character of all time or anything, so I can deal with it, but I really don't see the point of the change. And I can understand how other people, who are huge fans of the joker, who are huge joker geeks, would be very upset by it... and thats why this thread is so many hundreds of pages. It proves there are a lot of die-hard fans who are rather ticked off about this "creative license."
 
BatmanFanatic said:
Well if you've ever worn make-up you know it doesn't just keep itself up day after day without reapplication.
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yet that is clearly what the filmakers are implying he does. puts it on and never takes it off. same with his clothing.

you seem to think becsue he applies make up all of a sudden he is a regular guy who wakes up every day, decides to be the joker, and applies his persona.

joker gets up, makes some coffee, reads the paper, and then, only after his makeup is on, turns into a loony.

"well, i guess its time to go cause some chaos!"

later: comes home, carefully cleans his face, and watches conan while sipping camomile...

"what a productive day i had! blew up a hospital and flipped a truck. im bushed. better get some shut eye 'cause i have an early day tomorrow!"

:whatever:
 
deathfromabove said:
far more nutty? i dont agree.

http://moretrailers.highresolutions.info/dk03.html

"i love this job"

i see the joker. 100%.

game over.
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WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING THIS!???! How dare you keep such precious gems of footage away from the Batmanfanatics of this world :woot: That absolutely KILLED hardcore.

Crook said:
Whoo! Bar none my favorite trailer and best use of depicting the Joker.

This serves to point out B_F's point, however. There is a clear difference between how Joker acts in that spot and the entire first trailer. That spot is pretty much how I'd like to see Joker act most of the time. I'm glad Heath has embraced that part of the character.
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Yah, I agree this is totally unlike what I was expecting after the initial marketing, I know there were "moments" but really embracing the manic happy insanity ... like we see here... oh I can't even type I'm so damn high from that footage. I need to play it 50 more times now!!!

Nepenthes said:
Yeah one of my concerns was that the movie was beginning to feel way too dark and heavy, and not in a good way. Overbearing, suffocating and grim. Agreed it looks like the new spot is trying to counter that.

Also the "I love this job" line from Heath, it works on two levels :csad:. I think that must of been intentional.
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:up:
 
BatmanFanatic said:
Right, why not just give him some completely random and very obvious physical trait which had no basis in the comic books whatsoever, as opposed to the physical traits already well established in the comic / BTAS / other films cannon?
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that wasnt the point. you said he could just wash off his face and cease to be a freak. i countered that by pointing out he is perma deformed. and i would hardly call a scarred smile on somebody who goes by moniker the joker "completely random".:whatever:

Makes sense to me... oh wait, no it doesn't.

Why? I mean changing it doesn't make him any better, it doesn't improve or serve the character... honestly, Joker isn't like my favorite character of all time or anything, so I can deal with it, but I really don't see the point of the change. And I can understand how other people, who are huge fans of the joker, who are huge joker geeks, would be very upset by it... and thats why this thread is so many hundreds of pages. It proves there are a lot of die-hard fans who are rather ticked off about this "creative license."
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and there are just as many die hard fans (likely more in fact) that are ok with it or outright love it. this thread is actually proof of that. but as it has become painfully obvious, the haters cry louder, harder, and longer. i have a feeling they will be eating some crow in about three weeks though as such considerations will likely be rendered moot. you'll see, heath 'll show ya.

and there is also plenty of argument to be made (in this very thread in fact) that the changes do in fact serve the character, at least this incarnation of it at least. i would quote some of the more well written and thought out posts but since you seem to be dead set on hating nearly everything about nolan's take i will refrain as nothing anyone says will likely change your seemingly already made up mind.
 
deathfromabove said:
that wasnt the point. you said he could just wash off his face and cease to be a freak. i countered that by pointing out he is perma deformed. and i would hardly call a scarred smile on somebody who goes by the joker "completely random".
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Okay, it's not random, but it has nothing to do with the canon character either. I mean if Catwoman had an actual tail and real whiskers in a film version of Batman, that wouldn't be "random" but it would be "unfaithful" and "unnecessary" and a bad choice, IMO.

deathfromabove said:
and there are just as many die hard fans (likely more in fact) that are ok with it or outright love it. this thread is actually proof of that. but as it has become painfully obvious, the haters cry louder, harder, and longer. i have a feeling they will be eating some crow in about three weeks though as such considerations will likely be rendered moot. you'll see, heath 'll show ya.

and there is also plenty of argument to be made (in this very thread in fact) that the changes do in fact serve the character, at least this incarnation of it at least. i would quote some of the more well written and thought out posts but since you seem to be dead set on hating nearly everything about nolan's take i will refrain as nothing anyone says will likely change your seemingly already made up mind.
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1.) Not liking how they pulled together the Jokers look has nothing to do with Heath's performance, (which by the way I loved even in the beginning when what I originally thought the performance was going to be like based on the early marketing didn't fit my conception of the character.) So let's not go there as if not liking the make-up is somehow doubting Heath and the awesome job he did, or disrespecting him and his memory in any way.

2.) I'm not dead set on hating "nearly everything about Nolans take" just because I'm not a Joker-in-make-up fan. Which by the way is more in the jurisdiction of the art, costuming and make-up department, than Nolan personally. I'm having a lot of problems with the costume department on this film, between the Jokers look and the new Bat-suit. I seriously doubt it was Nolan himself who said "well I absolutely hate the BB design, I demand that we have a robo-cop looking Batman or else!" He probably just told them "make it a little more comfortable for Christian" and they designed the "look" on their own. Same with the joker. He probably said "well I want the joker to look very gritty and scary" which can be done many ways, and then the costume/makeup people thought "Oh we'll have grungy, crusty make-up, and ratty clothes..."

On a film this MASSIVE the director doesn't handle all the details. The only things I would personally "blame" Nolan for is how the shots are set up and how the actors play their scenes....because that's the directors job, and I haven't had any complaints in that regard.

Honestly I wish you'd stop thinking I hate Nolan personally or something just because of various issues with the films I have. Did Nolan write the script for BB? No he did not, and that is what I didn't like about BB. Did Nolan apply Jokers make-up and pick out his grungy coat from some flea-market himself? No he did not. He lets other people do those things and only if it were something horrendously offensive to his vision would he put his foot down and stop it, otherwise he'd let the professionals and artists on the set do their job.
 
And now for something far more interesting...

WHOS IN THE BATCAVE???!!

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Is it me or are you guys thinking what I'm thinking? All I did was turn up the contrast and saturation in order to get more detail on the clothes... this would not turn a brown jacket purple in case you are wondering, and I am definitely seeing purple coat, plaid pants... am I loosing it?
 
BatmanFanatic said:
On a film this MASSIVE the director doesn't handle all the details. The only things I would personally "blame" Nolan for is how the shots are set up and how the actors play their scenes....because that's the directors job, and I haven't had any complaints in that regard.
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He wrote the script and personally sought out Heath for the role, so I'd say he's done little more than getting the most of his actors and setting up shots.
 
In the non-spoilers section someone just posted the 7th tv spot!

Another line from Joker in interrogation room.

We're waiting on the 8th that someone else saw already on tv.
 
Hole Shot said:
He wrote the script and personally sought out Heath for the role, so I'd say he's done little more than getting the most of his actors and setting up shots.
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Yes I realize that, I'm just saying he didn't write the script for BB, so I can't blame him for that, and I'm not going to hold him personally responsible for the costuming either.

Hole Shot said:
It's Alfred. He's wearing grey slacks and you see in several trailer clips he's wearing a dark over coat in the garage.
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Damn. Okay then, it was worth checking =)
 
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