Well yea i could live without my mum and dad and gf, but it wouldn't be a life worth living. You'd be in pain everyday, especially if you had the opportunity to save them but didn't.
are you going to die for someone you love because they got pissed and burnt the house down and killed another person you'd die for?
The term itself has lost its meaning. it's a parental term in order to protect those below you so they can flourish.
now anyone who has any shred of self worth needs to feel inside they aren't 'that' person by holding some peer as an equal value to themselves or someone older or someone at all.
to say you'd die for someone because you can't live without them is pure craziness. Infact to state you couldn't live without someone is craziness (it's possible but this is from back in the day when you married the girl across the street, moved into a house round the corner and stayed together for 60 years till you died four hours apart. not anything like a relationship today).
If you see the world with a different mindset sometimes,you won't make close-minded statements like that at all.
If connecting with a (soulmate)person is your ultimate goal in life...and after you've met and hanged out with hundreds of people in a time space of years and years...and you've finally met someone who shares your beliefs,principles,view of life,who understands,trust and respects you and vice versa...you woudn't die for that person?
That specific question can be only answered by an individual not by someone generalizing that it's ''crazy''.
are you going to die for someone you love because they got pissed and burnt the house down and killed another person you'd die for?
The term itself has lost its meaning. it's a parental term in order to protect those below you so they can flourish.
now anyone who has any shred of self worth needs to feel inside they aren't 'that' person by holding some peer as an equal value to themselves or someone older or someone at all.
to say you'd die for someone because you can't live without them is pure craziness. Infact to state you couldn't live without someone is craziness (it's possible but this is from back in the day when you married the girl across the street, moved into a house round the corner and stayed together for 60 years till you died four hours apart. not anything like a relationship today).
You're stating your oppinion as a fact again...how arrogant should you be to write something like ''if connecting with a soulmate is your ultimate goal in life, then you need to seriously go back to square one and resort some **** out.'' ?
Like i said in my previous post,you're close-minded...and what do close-minded people do?They insult everything that doesn't equal their oppinion.
If you don't want to die for another person that's your life,i respect that..but don't come here preching what's crazy and what's not since you obviously don't bother to think that your goals and wants/needs might not be shared by the whole world.
Well yea i could live without my mum and dad and gf, but it wouldn't be a life worth living. You'd be in pain everyday, especially if you had the opportunity to save them but didn't.
I don't get the parental thing, we are supposed to eventually lead a life without our parents. I can't think of anything worse than a parent being present at their child's funeral.
Again by this logic, your parents and gf seemingly care for you in the same way you care for them. How do you think they would take your life being sacrificed for their own?
It's a complete no-win situation.
Alright lets consider this situation
tall storey building is on fire. you live on the top floor. You come back home and it's on fire.
there are people and a fire service about to get there
you see your parents and girlfriend on the top floor window, they have fire around them
you see other people being evacuated
you see other people on lower floors with no fire but they seemed trapped.
you can only have one chance to go in before hte fire service get there and stop you.
do you help those already evacuating
rush up to help your girlfriend
rush up to help your parents
help those in a region that seem less dangerous
consider the whole thing wreckless and leave it to the professionals
offer assistance to those already outside
provide a means of contacting them on behalf of the fire service to pass on information
wait in a helpless manner
maybe that scenario has too much time to think.
alright a simple one,
you're out with girlfriend and family
a gun is pulled in a crowd and pointed in your general direction, you see it, do you duck yourself or try to cover a loved one.
in most circumstances you are running on instinct and adrenaline, there isnt much choice in the situation over what you do but you can't go in saying you will do something unless you have been specifically programmed to ignore your instincts (military or any sort of repetitive training under the same scenario).
I don't get the parental thing, we are supposed to eventually lead a life without our parents. I can't think of anything worse than a parent being present at their child's funeral.
Again by this logic, your parents and gf seemingly care for you in the same way you care for them. How do you think they would take your life being sacrificed for their own?
It's a complete no-win situation.
Alright lets consider this situation
tall storey building is on fire. you live on the top floor. You come back home and it's on fire.
there are people and a fire service about to get there
you see your parents and girlfriend on the top floor window, they have fire around them
you see other people being evacuated
you see other people on lower floors with no fire but they seemed trapped.
you can only have one chance to go in before hte fire service get there and stop you.
do you help those already evacuating
rush up to help your girlfriend
rush up to help your parents
help those in a region that seem less dangerous
consider the whole thing wreckless and leave it to the professionals
offer assistance to those already outside
provide a means of contacting them on behalf of the fire service to pass on information
wait in a helpless manner
maybe that scenario has too much time to think.
alright a simple one,
you're out with girlfriend and family
a gun is pulled in a crowd and pointed in your general direction, you see it, do you duck yourself or try to cover a loved one.
in most circumstances you are running on instinct and adrenaline, there isnt much choice in the situation over what you do but you can't go in saying you will do something unless you have been specifically programmed to ignore your instincts (military or any sort of repetitive training under the same scenario).
Well in the gun pointing in our direction I would jump on my loved one and cover them. What I am trying to say is that if you had a realistic opportunity to save one of them but you completely *****ed out then I would find it very hard to live with myself, not living without them.
Edit: Something similer to that has actually happened to me. When my mate got stabbed I was right next to him, I didn't react quick enough to stop him getting stabbed, but I did glass the bloke who stabbed him. Luckily it wasn't a fatal stabbing.
I don't get the parental thing, we are supposed to eventually lead a life without our parents. I can't think of anything worse than a parent being present at their child's funeral.
Again by this logic, your parents and gf seemingly care for you in the same way you care for them. How do you think they would take your life being sacrificed for their own?
It's a complete no-win situation.
Alright lets consider this situation
tall storey building is on fire. you live on the top floor. You come back home and it's on fire.
there are people and a fire service about to get there
you see your parents and girlfriend on the top floor window, they have fire around them
you see other people being evacuated
you see other people on lower floors with no fire but they seemed trapped.
you can only have one chance to go in before hte fire service get there and stop you.
do you help those already evacuating
rush up to help your girlfriend
rush up to help your parents
help those in a region that seem less dangerous
consider the whole thing wreckless and leave it to the professionals
offer assistance to those already outside
provide a means of contacting them on behalf of the fire service to pass on information
wait in a helpless manner
maybe that scenario has too much time to think.
alright a simple one,
you're out with girlfriend and family
a gun is pulled in a crowd and pointed in your general direction, you see it, do you duck yourself or try to cover a loved one.
in most circumstances you are running on instinct and adrenaline, there isnt much choice in the situation over what you do but you can't go in saying you will do something unless you have been specifically programmed to ignore your instincts (military or any sort of repetitive training under the same scenario).
Well i've been training martial arts(combat arts,Muay Thai,Krav Maga) for 10 years now...i've been pulled knife on 2-3 times,been attacked by 5 people at once and except the first rush of adrenaline(which is about 2-3 seconds) you're completelly aware of yourself and your behavior...you're still the one choosing whether to fight back or run.
And again if someone pulls a gun on a loved one and i hypothetically run from the situation which ends with the person being shot or worse,killed...i would never be able to forgive myself,considering that i've stomped my principles and lost someone who means a lot at the same time,so i would practically be in vegetative state inside.
You're stating your oppinion as a fact again...how arrogant should you be to write something like ''if connecting with a soulmate is your ultimate goal in life, then you need to seriously go back to square one and resort some **** out.'' ?
I can say it because it's pointless. I mean think about it.
Your goal is to be with someone....
with someone doing what? Building what? SHaring what? Providing what? making what? securing what? supporting what?
nothing, just being...just.....being...
it's like saying your goal in life is to just be alive. Sure that's fine in a survival term if you are out in a wasteland but to just be alive as in now i
Like i said in my previous post,you're close-minded...and what do close-minded people do?They insult everything that doesn't equal their oppinion.
Is it not more close minded to say a purpose of one's being is just to be but with someone else?
If you don't want to die for another person that's your life,i respect that..but don't come here preching what's crazy and what's not since you obviously don't bother to think that your goals and wants/needs might not be shared by the whole world.
Honestly you can ignore everything i say but for the love of god do not have your entire reason for being to be with someone else. Do not judge your entire self worth through the eyes of another person.
you'll just go into a relationship as empty as when you started it and that will just lead to a bad place. Take it or leave it.
Well i've been training martial arts(combat arts,Muay Thai,Krav Maga) for 10 years now...i've been pulled knife on 2-3 times,been attacked by 5 people at once and except the first rush of adrenaline(which is about 2-3 seconds) you're completelly aware of yourself and your behavior...you're still the one choosing whether to fight back or run.
And again if someone pulls a gun on a loved one and i hypothetically run from the situation which ends with the person being shot or worse,killed...i would never be able to forgive myself,considering that i've stomped my principles and lost someone who means a lot at the same time,so i would practically be in vegetative state inside.
Well,to be honest in those 2-3 seconds you dont have time to make a reaction,the adrenaline rush is pretty big and your mind is pretty much closed,in that period you're not aware there are options like running,just the primal instinct to survive...but after that it's all available,your face muscle relax so you can try to talk youself out of the situation,you can try and escape and if you have sufficient training you can stay back and try to neutralise the threat.
So it just depends on the person,i've seen a lot of people run,beg,start to cry,scream,some try to fight.
It also depends a lot by the circumstances...sometimes if you've a had a bad week,everything seems to go backwards and you end up being in danger,that anger you've had will be demonstrated by your actions...and vice versa,if you've just ad a perfect day you will probably run rather then fight.
It's a complex issue...but at the end you're completelly responcible for your actions...which by no means i'm not suggesting that you should fight back,the quote:''better a coward for a minute than dead for a lifetime'' is true...but there are situations where the odds are stacked to high for you to run,seeing a love one in danger is that kind of a situation.
what about in an instant where you don't have anything more than 2/3 issues like a car crash incident
most drivers of a car instinctly swerve so they put the passenger side before infront of them, normally putting a loved one in more danger than themselves. (that'll be swerving to the left on an right hand drive vehicle).
what then
I know in most cases you don't have more than those 2-3 seconds to react. Same can be said about my gun man scenario.
what about in an instant where you don't have anything more than 2/3 issues like a car crash incident
most drivers of a car instinctly swerve so they put the passenger side before infront of them, normally putting a loved one in more danger than themselves. (that'll be swerving to the left on an right hand drive vehicle).
what then
I know in most cases you don't have more than those 2-3 seconds to react. Same can be said about my gun man scenario.
The question of the topic is whether you willingly meaning by your own choosing would die for someone...if you dont have the time to react that's another matter.
Like i've said in my previous post,whether it's a car accident(which i've been into) a fight,a shocking news...it's all based on the same pattern,you always have a slow reaction.
For example if someone tells you that something happened to someone you care,you cant instantly scream,the brain needs time to process the information,the same thing happens when you're attacked...it doesnt matter if you're Mike Tyson or an average Joe,if someone jumps out of a bush and punches you,you need time to become aware what just happened,just like Rachel and Phoebe proved that to Ross with his Unagi stuff.
It doesnt matter how trained you are you will always have that panic attack and if something happens in that 2-3 seconds span,you can't do anyting about it.
But that's not what the question is about,it's whether after that initial shock if you have the chance to sacrifice yourself,will you do it?i mean if you're biologically unabled to react instantly this question is then meaningless,since even if you want to die,you are not able to.
I'm merely showing it's fine to choose to save another and carry that around but its in the 'blur' times when crap goes down generally whether the panick is initial or right at the bad part and reacting at that time is something people rarely choose to do, especially if that reaction will lead to inevitable death.
i'm surprised you brought up friends, i've always believed martials arts was supposed to recondition the way your behave in situations so you instinctively react differently, i.e. a master automatically defends himself and subdues an opponent without much cognitive thought towards it.
In short, no one can really know what they'll do unless faced with the situation and even may surprise themselves around strangers but to say they would doesn't necessarily mean they can.
I'm merely showing it's fine to choose to save another and carry that around but its in the 'blur' times when crap goes down generally whether the panick is initial or right at the bad part and reacting at that time is something people rarely choose to do, especially if that reaction will lead to inevitable death.
i'm surprised you brought up friends, i've always believed martials arts was supposed to recondition the way your behave in situations so you instinctively react differently, i.e. a master automatically defends himself and subdues an opponent without much cognitive thought towards it.
In short, no one can really know what they'll do unless faced with the situation and even may surprise themselves around strangers but to say they would doesn't necessarily mean they can.
That's pretty much a myth...it's a different scenario if someone asks you to go out(assuming you're in a disco or a bar) and fight,then the martial arts background will kick in,you will not panic,you will know exactly what to do and how to do it...but if for example you're walking in a park and you're joking,just having a good time and someone pulls out a gun,you will have the same reaction as everyone else.
Unless you have an experience of being a soldier,or being in a death-threatening situations at least several times,the martial arts training will not help very much...it's completelly different when you practice something in an secure enviroment where a mistake will not result in a fatal way then when you face a situation of that kind.
And yes i agree with your last paragraph,it's the truth...but i've been in some tough situations and i reacted exactly as i thought i would in hypotheticall conversations i've had before it happened...so i'm pretty sure if God forbids,something like that happens(me or someone i love) wont give it a second thought of what i should do.
I will not die recklessly of course i will try to save both of us,but if it must be the other person or me,at least for myself that is not a very difficult choice.
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