The Dark Knight Too Many Characters?

[Kakihara]

It's always hard for even a profecient director to have so many characters weave in and out of a single movie and have good depth given to them. I know not all of the characters in TDK are going to need that much development, many are just secondary. Yet everyday I hear the list of characters growing. You have Batman/Bruce Wayne, Joker, Dawes, Dent, Alfred, Fox, Gordon, Scarecrow, Maroni, Anthony Michael Hall's character, and a number of other seconday characters. Does anyone think jumping around to all of them will hinder the movie overall? I felt Spiderman 3 was really bogged down with all of the characters and many of them had paper thin backstories. Just curious.

 

[Two-Face]

All I can say is watch BB, "I believe in Nolan" to handle just like in first movie.

 

[sasquatchs]

Yea, Nolan put everything into a cohesive film last time, the characters serve the plot rather than the other way round. You feel like you've stumbled into the world rather than having to be told things from the beginning. Spidey's villains were too outlandish for a frugal explanation, Nolan can get away with using just a few clever allusions

 

[itsthebatman]

Good post sasquatchs. Maroni will take over from Falcone, Joker from Ra's, Dent from Finch (with more screen time, hopefully), so the Mayor and AMH's character are the only big new ones, and they probably won't have that much time. Nolan won't waste much time on backstory with these characters, they're just there, doding what they do. Scarecrow had no backstory in BB and was just great. More of the same please!

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Good post sasquatchs. Maroni will take over from Falcone, Joker from Ra's, Dent from Finch (with more screen time, hopefully), so the Mayor and AMH's character are the only big new ones, and they probably won't have that much time. Nolan won't waste much time on backstory with these characters, they're just there, doding what they do. Scarecrow had no backstory in BB and was just great. More of the same please!

Exactly. Bruce/Batman, Alfred, R'as/Ducard, Dawes, Gordon, Scarecrow/Crane, Fox, Finch, Loeb, Flass, Earle... Begins had A LOT going on, and Nolan pulled it off masterfully. I don't think the number of characters will be anymore of a problem in TDK than it was in Begins. So far, I see no signs of "Pirates 3 syndrome" with TDK.

 

[Steelsheen]

i dont think TDK has too many characters.

 

[Kakihara]

Good post sasquatchs. Maroni will take over from Falcone, Joker from Ra's, Dent from Finch (with more screen time, hopefully), so the Mayor and AMH's character are the only big new ones, and they probably won't have that much time. Nolan won't waste much time on backstory with these characters, they're just there, doding what they do. Scarecrow had no backstory in BB and was just great. More of the same please!

I swear Scarecrow was WAY more developed than either Sandman or Venom in Spiderman 3. Even if it was just some quick little statements he made about his fascination with fear. I wasn't dissing Nolan or anything either. It just sounds like a bigger cast is all. And yes, he did do a good job in BB.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Not to worrry, Nolan juggled just as many characters in 'Begins' and sill made the most cohesive and linear superhero movie ever so I'm not worrying about TDk assemble.

 

[scifiwolf]

Not too many characters...too many threads trying to discuss it.

 

[Voyeur]

The great thing about BB is it really seemed as if the script came first and the characters were written in naturally...while other films seem as if the characters came first. As if to say, "Hey, let's make the next movie about Catwoman and the Penguin" and then write the script around that.

So hopefully, all these characters we're hearing about for TDK are emerging from the script natually.

Having said that, my theory:

Aside from the recurring characters, who will hopefully have about the same amount of screen time...

Joker = Ra's
Maroni = Falcone
Dent = Finch (Dent will have more screentime, obv)

And as far as the Mayor, AMH and the reported female cop, I figure they're going to have similar screentime as Watanabe, Hauer and the dude who played Mr Zsasz overall (not necessarily in that order).

 

[Anjow1060]

Ugh.......I knew when we saw scarecrow someone would make a thread like this.

 

[jsf]

Ugh.......I knew when we saw scarecrow someone would make a thread like this.

it's been waiting to happen long before that

 

[Nepenthes]

I think Poison Ivy, Killer Croc and Mr.Freeze should have all been included in TDK. Would've worked fine

 

[Rezzo]

Nolan isn´t Sam Raimi and won´t ruin TDK like Raimi ruined SM3

 

[itsthebatman]

I think Poison Ivy, Killer Croc and Mr.Freeze should have all been included in TDK. Would've worked fine

Along with Bane, Mad Hatter and Batmite. Course, the movie would be longer, but we could just change the title to 'The Really, Really Long Halloween'.

 

[The Joker]

Nolan isn´t Sam Raimi and won´t ruin TDK like Raimi ruined SM3

Amen!

Raimi just couldn't handle the influx of new characters. They were all under developed and a flash in the pan, save for Harry. But he was being developed since the first movie, and doesn't really count.

 

[DieSmiling]

Eh. Screentime for Maroni, Scarecrow, AMH's character, and Fox will be relativley limited.

I don't see Joker getting a lion's share of screentime either.

The characters that need developing -- Bruce, Dent, Rachel, Gordon -- will get it.

 

[dark_b]

Nolan isn´t Sam Raimi and won´t ruin TDK like Raimi ruined SM3

we can not know that. raimi didnt ruin SM3.
it was the studio and arad. ramimi was just stupid enough to act like arads bit..ch. he shouldnt just listen to him.

but who the f... am i kidding?raimi had 3 dance scenes. he f--- up.

 

[Delete]

The problem with Spiderman 3 wasn't too many characters. It was that Raimi tried to give them all of their own seperate plots, and those plots were not very good to begin with. As long as Nolan keeps all the characters inside one plot like he did with all the seperate villians in Batman Begins it will be fine.

 

[NoName86]

The problem with Spiderman 3 wasn't too many characters. It was that Raimi tried to give them all of their own seperate plots, and those plots were not very good to begin with. As long as Nolan keeps all the characters inside one plot like he did with all the seperate villians in Batman Begins it will be fine.

Precisely.

 

[fabman]

I liked Spider-Man 3.

 

[Hole Shot]

There are not too many characters. There's just many recognizable names in the supporting roles. If everybody but Bruce, Alfred and Joker were played by nobodies, then we wouldn't be having this debate.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Not too many characters...too many threads trying to discuss it.

::ding:: ::ding:: ::ding:: We have a winner!

 

[itsthebatman]

I liked Spider-Man 3.

We all have our own problems. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Closerframe]

A movie can never have truly to many characters it all depends how they are used and what role they play in the story. Batman Begins had about five villains from the comics total and they all had their own role. Unlike Spider-Man 3 and Xmen 3 which tried to rush by using cheap special effects and a hacked up story. The Dark Knight will have as many characters necessary to impact the story's growth.