Superman Returns Too Much CGI?

[Pittman4Two]

AFter the glorious effects of 2001: A Space Odyssey, the first Star Wars films, the original Superman, etc. don't you think the new clips show a little too much CGI coming in SR?

Some of the clips I've seen look really fake and I don't know if that's the clarity of the clips themselves.

I think Jurassic Park started a new generation in effects. I remember sitting back and saying "Wow!" every 3 minutes because of being awestruck at those effects.

It just seems a little overkill nowadays. I was delightfully surprised at Spiderman as the CGI comes and goes and is mixed in with some live-action. I hope SR is the same.

Thoughts?

 

[J.Howlett]

Dude, most of Spider-Man 2 is CG work and it's just decent by today's standards....

 

[JamalYIgle]

AFter the glorious effects of 2001: A Space Odyssey, the first Star Wars films, the original Superman, etc. don't you think the new clips show a little too much CGI coming in SR?

Some of the clips I've seen look really fake and I don't know if that's the clarity of the clips themselves.

I think Jurassic Park started a new generation in effects. I remember sitting back and saying "Wow!" every 3 minutes because of being awestruck at those effects.

It just seems a little overkill nowadays. I was delightfully surprised at Spiderman as the CGI comes and goes and is mixed in with some live-action. I hope SR is the same.

Thoughts?

i disagree actually. All that is going on is a change in technology. Believe me, if Computer generated technology had been as readilly avaiable in 1976, they wouldn't have spent an additional year having to reshoot all the flying scenes. You have to remember that CGI, like minature work and rotoscoping back in the day, are still experimental in a lot of ways. it's still fairly new and the applications for it are growing constantly.
Keep in mind that when Superman the movie, or Star Wars came out alot of the tecniques they used were brand new and completely experimental. There were, in the case of STM alot of minature work, alot of puppetwork for some of the flying.It's going to be the same with SR except now with CGI, you actually save money because you don't have to hire the same amount of crew to build sets. You save money on the sets themselves also, you're not limited to using mat paintings to fill your backrounds. the digital characters are becoming more realistic looking as time passes with each new show. So it's not a case of too much CGI,it's may not be perfect but it works.

 

[Steelsheen]

knowing the plot of this film, you cant pull it off without CG.

from all the footage of SR that i've seen most of the CGs are pretty good, except for one that i thought that may need a little bit of working on (Supes landing with a WHAM on NK). hopefully they've fixed that for the film.

 

[J.Howlett]

Actually, it tends to be the case of using CG when it's not neccessary and the big thing about CG is actually the camera work.

With CG now, directors tend to do camera angles that can't be possible unless it was created on computer...and that sometimes is the big giveaway when it comes to determining between live action and CG.

Spider-Man 2 is a great example of that technique.

 

[TEKK]

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from all the footage of SR that i've seen most of the CGs are pretty good, except for one that i thought that may need a little bit of working on (Supes landing with a WHAM on NK). hopefully they've fixed that for the film.

Yes, i hope they make a better CG for this scene.

 

[Pittman4Two]

Howlett, that's what I mean.

With Jurassic Park, you can see the need for CG, but STM showed that some action sequences can still be done with human beings.

 

[Pittman4Two]

knowing the plot of this film, you cant pull it off without CG.

from all the footage of SR that i've seen most of the CGs are pretty good, except for one that i thought that may need a little bit of working on (Supes landing with a WHAM on NK). hopefully they've fixed that for the film.

Charlie, I non-disrespectfully disagree.

One scence that sticks out is the scene where Supes is flying through what looks like an exploding tunnel. This scene reminded me vividly of the Superman IV scene when Supes is flying through the subway and how bad it looked.

 

[Steelsheen]

Charlie, I non-disrespectfully disagree.

One scence that sticks out is the scene where Supes is flying through what looks like an exploding tunnel. This scene reminded me vividly of the Superman IV scene when Supes is flying through the subway and how bad it looked.

actually that scene reminded me so much of a Star Wars shot where the Millenium Falcon was racing out of Death Star2 and the flames where racing behind it. anyway that shot looks fine from what i've seen. if ever it has faults they arent as blantantly obvious as the NK landing scene since it takes place in a relatively dark area.


.... and why are you calling me Charlie?

 

[Lightning54SC]

AFter the glorious effects of 2001: A Space Odyssey, the first Star Wars films, the original Superman, etc. don't you think the new clips show a little too much CGI coming in SR?

Some of the clips I've seen look really fake and I don't know if that's the clarity of the clips themselves.

I think Jurassic Park started a new generation in effects. I remember sitting back and saying "Wow!" every 3 minutes because of being awestruck at those effects.

It just seems a little overkill nowadays. I was delightfully surprised at Spiderman as the CGI comes and goes and is mixed in with some live-action. I hope SR is the same.

Thoughts?

hey if theres too much CGI we can always shoot your ass out of a cannon for better flying scenes and more realizism :P j/k

 

[J.Howlett]

Pittman,

You do have to admit that the flying in Superman The Movie was limited by the technology.

With the advancements in rigging, special effects, and visual effects, you can combine all those elements to create something truly unique when it comes to flying.

Trust me, Singer is a guy who prefers in camera special effects instead of CG. But, he's not afraid to use it either. It will be a combination of alot of elements.

 

[Cinemaman]

People wanted more action, they got it. The end of story.

 

[Pittman4Two]

Pittman,

You do have to admit that the flying in Superman The Movie was limited by the technology.

With the advancements in rigging, special effects, and visual effects, you can combine all those elements to create something truly unique when it comes to flying.

Trust me, Singer is a guy who prefers in camera special effects instead of CG. But, he's not afraid to use it either. It will be a combination of alot of elements.

The flying technology may have been limited but it looked great.

Look at the scene after the chopper incident when Supes explains that flying is still safe..blah blah blah. When he takes off, it looks real. You don't see the wires, you don't see the riggings, and most importantly...it's real.

What I'm trying to say is that those effects, even though they're older than dirt, looked great. I just hope we haven't taken too much advantage of CG in this one.

 

[Pittman4Two]

People wanted more action, they got it. The end of story.

From what I've read, there's little more action than the original two movies.

 

[Cinemaman]

From what I've read, there's little more action than the original two movies.

Action sequences:
1. Plane sequence
2. A Bank robbery
3. Museum sequence
4. New Krypton
5. EQ
6. Throwing NK to the space

Every action sequence has logical way of telling and enough awesome CGI, whats wrong?

 

[newmexneon]

The CG looks incredible on my 50 inch HDTV. I think that most people here are basing their criticism off of watching the Trailers on their computer screen which heavily compress' the clips and it makes it easy to point out the flaws. On the big screen it is going to be much better looking.

 

[DorkyFresh]

i've seen the amount of CGI shots that i expected to see. most of the shots we see of Superman is actually Routh...admittedly there are a couple of obvious CG shots (that bad one of Supes slowing to stop in a cloudy sky), but the latest stuff we've seen is fantastic. in the end, as long as they don't use CG shots for him walking or just talking or whatever then it's all good to me. when the CG looks this good...

...i have little to complain about.

 

[Cinemaman]

i've seen the amount of CGI shots that i expected to see. most of the shots we see of Superman is actually Routh...admittedly there are a couple of obvious CG shots (that bad one of Supes slowing to stop in a cloudy sky), but the latest stuff we've seen is fantastic. in the end, as long as they don't use CG shots for him walking or just talking or whatever then it's all good to me. when the CG looks this good...

...i have little to complain about.

I love shots like this one.

CGI looks fantastic, what they did with Brando

It was impossible, but they did that

 

[JamalYIgle]

I also get the feeling that alot of what Pittman is complaining about may not be CGI, it's just that he can't tell. Which is a good thing.

 

[JamalYIgle]

The flying technology may have been limited but it looked great.

Look at the scene after the chopper incident when Supes explains that flying is still safe..blah blah blah. When he takes off, it looks real. You don't see the wires, you don't see the riggings, and most importantly...it's real.

What I'm trying to say is that those effects, even though they're older than dirt, looked great. I just hope we haven't taken too much advantage of CG in this one.

There are scenes like that in SR, when he takes off from the roof of the Daily Planet, that's on a wire rig, alot of the close up shots in the airplane scene are also live actors.

 

[Pittman4Two]

i've seen the amount of CGI shots that i expected to see. most of the shots we see of Superman is actually Routh...admittedly there are a couple of obvious CG shots (that bad one of Supes slowing to stop in a cloudy sky), but the latest stuff we've seen is fantastic. in the end, as long as they don't use CG shots for him walking or just talking or whatever then it's all good to me. when the CG looks this good...

...i have little to complain about.

That is my point. There's no reason for that scene to be CGI. Why not green screen?

Maybe I'm being a little nitpicky, but I'm still not sure how it will all compare to STM and SII.

 

[J.Howlett]

Personally, I don't think that shot is CG.

Because of the lightning on his face with the smile, plus the fact that it was shot on HD, I still don't think it's CG.

Once he goes away from camera, then he becomes CG.

Again, I could be totally wrong but I've watched that part twice this morning and that specific shot, I don't think it's CG.

Digital doubles of humans are not at the point where you can have that close to camera.

 

[Steelsheen]

the HBO footage, i wonder when they got those. didnt they say that they just finished with the color corrections and other post-productions stuff (CGI being one of them) a couple of weeks ago? which means that what we will see on the big screen can still be a vast improvement over the trailers and featurettes that we see now.

 

[Shadow Moses]

Good god, this board is pathetic. Only impossible shots are done with CGI. All possible wire shots done in previous Superman movies have been done in this one, with many more that were not possible back then. Did you even watch the weekly blogs on bluetights? Did you see the number of rigs and wirework going on in the movie? Did you see the specially designed flying rig? Do you even consider thinking before posting? Things done with CGI are done because wire work just couldn't cut it.

Some here just whine for the sake of it. It's really sickening.

 

[bsquad]

Howlett, that's what I mean.

With Jurassic Park, you can see the need for CG, but STM showed that some action sequences can still be done with human beings.

the flying scenes actually look pretty dated now. It was great back then because noone did somethign like that before. but this film is suppose to be bigger in scale and modern so they need to update and improve the flying. if they can improve on that with this new film using a mixture of live action and cgi then i'm all for it