Age of Extinction Transformers 4 is going to be AWESOME. - Part 1

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I don't want to get your hopes up. It's not an impressive, badass Optimus-type line, but it's better than nothing. He is giving an order, which is pretty cool, I guess.

All good, better then nothing imo. I wasn't expecting any lines at all with them, and minimal robot forms. So just glad to know at least a little bit made it into the film.
 
Playing at my local movie theatre in 1 hour and 15 minutes in 3D, I'm looking forward to it.

The glass of tea I'm having now will be the last fluid I intake before this 165 minute movie, which probably means ~185 minutes with the previews. I don't want to miss the introduction of Unicron due to needing to go to the bathroom.
 
I also remember the 3rd film getting some great reception at first, it started to get more hated by people here once more time started to pass and the RT score started to go lower.
 
I also remember the 3rd film getting some great reception at first, it started to get more hated by people here once more time started to pass and the RT score started to go lower.

Regardless of "everybody being entitled to their opinion", the fact is a lot of people (including critics) can have a desire to either be a contrarian, or to follow the crowd, depending on the conditions around them.
 
Regardless of "everybody being entitled to their opinion", the fact is a lot of people (including critics) can have a desire to either be a contrarian, or to follow the crowd, depending on the conditions around them.

It's just the reason why even with the posters here saying how good it was, i will take those statements with a grain of salt, i don't realy expect an improvement in quality aside from special effects.
 
It's just the reason why even with the posters here saying how good it was, i will take those statements with a grain of salt, i don't realy expect an improvement in quality aside from special effects.

Well, at the very least, they have some real actors this time.

Stanley Tucci is great, I loved him in the Hunger Games 1 and 2.
 
It's just the reason why even with the posters here saying how good it was, i will take those statements with a grain of salt, i don't realy expect an improvement in quality aside from special effects.

I'm giving my honest opinions on a movie I've actually seen. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. :yay:
 
Well, at the very least, they have some real actors this time.

Stanley Tucci is great, I loved him in the Hunger Games 1 and 2.

It's not as if the actors were at fault last time, you had the girls from the casting couch, but Shia wasn't exactly a bad actor, neither were most of the other actors. For me it looks like Stanley Tucci will suffer the same fate as John Turturro.

I'm giving my honest opinions on a movie I've actually seen. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. :yay:

Sure, i'm just saying that after the reception of the last film, i just have a hard time being confident about first impressions. I myself know i'm going to be entertained, but as a movie i'm more doubtful, "the best since the first film" isn't exactly something that makes me confortable and sure the film will be of quality.
 
Tucci is really good in this. Nothing like Turturro in the others. I think you guys will like him.
 
Really? From the trailer it looked like he was going to be a comic relief, were there many scenes like the one in one of the tv spots where a dorky guy is ranting Wahlberg's character about car insurance in the middle of the battle or is that one of the few?
 
Tucci has some genuinely funny moments. Nothing stupid like the Simmons character.

There are a few humorous moments, but there's none of the juvenile, vulgar toilet humour of the last 2.
 
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Is there anything as ******edly stupid as the Browny scene? Or anything like the college scenes, where you got a bunch of hot babes swooning over the college professor?

Those things might not have been on the dog humping level of stupid, but they were still pretty much facepalm inducing.
 
Fantastic. Toned down levels of stupid is the best news I've read about this Movie so far.
 
Toned down is a good way to describe it. It's still a little silly here and there but nothing on the level of ROTF.
 
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Just got back from seeing it. Easily the best Transformers movie. I'd give a 7.5 out of 10. I'll do a small review in the morning when I wake up
 
Is there anything as ******edly stupid as the Browny scene? Or anything like the college scenes, where you got a bunch of hot babes swooning over the college professor?

Those things might not have been on the dog humping level of stupid, but they were still pretty much facepalm inducing.

That's been my point for a while, it's insane and face palming stupid outright, yet when similar or even the same level of things(or same jokes) are in another movie, it's not face palming(see list of recent comedies that get decent to great reviews).

Maybe it's the context. Set up, expectations. Cause I swear coming out of 2008 I heard countless people suggest that the mere mention of 'pot' in a film was offensive.
 
I also remember the 3rd film getting some great reception at first, it started to get more hated by people here once more time started to pass and the RT score started to go lower.

It's just the reason why even with the posters here saying how good it was, i will take those statements with a grain of salt, i don't realy expect an improvement in quality aside from special effects.

People like Cassidy are precisely why I'm of the mind that it's a shame the entitled opinion of a few has such an influence on the actual public discourse. This is art and not two people are truly of the same mind.

Take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt and go in there and have your own experience is what I say to the masses. Instead it's very often the early words that do all this snowballing and such.

Just cause several people will declare something as nonsense, humorless mind numbing etc...that doesn't mean someone else won't possibly feel the opposite. In the end it's just a numbers game(in which the film seems to be winning) and even then that means nothing when it comes to who you are and how the experience itself my fall upon you.

There are a few podcasts I've heard where the first thing they say is, 'why do they keep making these things, don't they know that no one likes them'
I digress.

I imagine this film will probably be as loved and as hated as the last bunch(probably a little less hated given the actor changes and such). Which is a good thing for the several fans and a bad thing(maybe a good thing) for the detractors. Paramount can't be disappointed with that. I'm hoping turtles does well for them as well so they can walk away from this summer in the winners circle. Ever since their franchises were pilfered it's been a tricky time.
 
Before I write a review, I just have to say, the Lockdown theme is the best villain theme we've had in a while, really awesome theme.
 
I like Transformers 1 it's the sequels Revenge of the Fallen and Dark of the Moon that made the franchise go downhill, particularly Revenge of the Fallen. Bay's humor and racial stereotypes is so face palm inducing.
 
Already booked my tix for Friday and Saturday... whoo can't wait! :D
 
The last 3 films have had some realy disapointing final fights, with Optimus Prime either executing the enemy in 20 seconds or most of it not being even visible, was this improved in the new film to something less one-sided?
 
Lockdown was a real surprise here. His introduction scene and speech about the Autobots and Decepticons pretty much defines him perfectly.
 
Transformers: Age of Extinction
Director: Michael Bay
Starring: Mark Wahlberg, Stanley Tucci, Kelsey Grammer, Nicola Peltz

Review.


Transformers 4 is the 4th film in the Transformers franchise, and also the most intelligent. Gone are the corny jokes about little robots having the hots for Megan Fox and Witwicky's mom wearing dumb pants. The movie follows up on the consequences of the third movie, in which the city of Chicago was devastated by a fight involving Sentinel, Optimus, Megatron, and their associates. Following this, on offscreen-ville, some of the humans turned on all the transformers, attacked several of them, and the surviving autobots went into hiding (though the general public doesn't know that the beloved autobots were betrayed). A company is mining Transformers technology to make new Transformers.

All of this is positive: some logic. Of course human leadership would turn on Transformers after Transformers 3, of course they'd seek to reverse engineer the technology, of course there'd be some manoeuvring within the American government for leadership. Gone is the dumb patriotic jingoism of Transformers 3, where the movie's plot starts with the autobots destroying a middle east (i.e. Iranian) research base on behalf of "neutrality". Instead we see the USA seeking to take control of leftover alien technology, competition with Russia for that technology, et cetera. We're also dealing, interestingly, with a cynical Optimus Prime, which is interesting. He's not the eternal optimist beacon of hope we're used to, which is cool to see.

All of that is a positive, moreover, surprisingly, each of Optimus Prime and 4 of the 5 principle human character arc has a meaningful character arc, which I wasn't expecting? The characters are normally constants in these movies, a lot of them were here, but not here, it's not something I'd expect of a Transformers movie.

The main human interaction is a repetition of Michael Bay's favourite, father-daughter-boyfriend love triangle, as per Armageddon where Bruce Willis didn't trust Ben Affleck for the first 80% of the movie.

Minus: Opimus Prime is heavily damaged at the start of the movie, I'm not exactly sure how he fixed himself or if he completely fixed himself.

Aside from that, the movie toned down the Bayhem which may have been a studio reaction to Man of Steel, we see a lot of occasions where a huge number of humans almost die, and then don't because of last-second adjustments. There is destruction in this movie, but not as much before. Another change, the lead actress Nicola Peltz, though demonstrably gorgeous, does not titillate the screen with T&A shots like Rosie Huntingdon-Whitely and Megan Fox did, the male gaze is toned down a couple notches, we see that she has great legs, a thin midsection and a beautiful face, with the viewing angles not being as blatant. Also gone is the old look of miscellaneous transformers, wherein they all looked alike and it was difficult to tell who was who. These battles were easier to follow.

Another plus is Lockdown. He gives a few great speeches, he has a great theme music that is currently frustrating me because I can't find it on youtube, and his fight scenes are cool. A lot of nerds will complain that the movie doesn't give all the answers, but that's the point of Lockdown here, he is mysterious. He is a bounty hunter working on behalf of some external force. He's apparently been bounty hunting for a very long time. I'm not sure how Optimus either recognised him or recognised the interior of his ship. That's left for sequels to explain I guess.

There's also some confusion with Grimlock. We see a frozen dinosaur at the start of the movie, I thought that would be Grimlock once he unthawed, but it turned out that Grimlock was something else, and thus that frozen dinosaur is still in the arctic.

With that said, I had a huge grin on my face when I saw the dinobauts first start stampeding into Hong Kong and kick ass, that was awesome to see.

The minus for me is mostly in the last 45 minutes of the plot where a lot of nonsense happens.
- We're told that the new transformers are upgrades, but 5 autobots dispatch 50 of the new transformers with relative ease. 2 of the human characters
- Kelsey Grammer and his associate, go crazy and become boring, though it leads to an entertaining payoff in how Grammer's character dies. However, that payoff was so surprising that the emotion of shock overtook the emotion of joy at least for me, I'll be curious to know how others react.
- The conclusion of the human character arcs is reached at very saccharine destination points and quite cringeworthy, it's not as bad as Darcy in Thor 2, but it's getting there;
- The way the Transformers can easily damage Lockdown's ship is distracting because I'd expect that ship to be more advanced;
- The end fight was so long it was starting to get boring;
- Galvatron isn't as cool as he was in the 1986 movie;
- The worst one: WTF is Galvatron doing during the final fight?

All in all, it was ... surprising to see Michael Bay make a movie so different from the previous three. It still has problems, the plot is kind of bloated with multiple prologues leading to multiple plot points some of which don't converge well, but it's better than Transformers 2 and 3 since it's removed some of the general problems there. However, I'm not sure if it's as fun as Transformers 1.

Grade: B

Ongoing ranking of 2014 movies
Tier 1, A grade: Noah, Grand Budapest Hotel, The Lego Movie, Edge of Tomorrow, The Fault in our Stars
Tier 2, B grade: Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Robocop, Divergent, Transformers: Age of Extinction, X-Men: Days of Future Past, 300: Rise of an Empire,
Tier 3, C grade: Godzilla, Amazing Spider Man 2
 
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The last 3 films have had some realy disapointing final fights, with Optimus Prime either executing the enemy in 20 seconds or most of it not being even visible, was this improved in the new film to something less one-sided?

It's a step up albeit that problem is not completely resolved in my opinion.
 
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