Revenge of the Fallen Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

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Look at this....

AvP, written by a fanboy, directed by a fanboy. ****.

Freddy Vs. Jason (weather you think it was good or bad) directed by non fan, but created a movie that respected BOTH characters. And for what it was, it worked.

Dont get a hardcore fan boy to make a movie, unless they can throw their fan crap out, and focus on the movie.

I like Freddy vs Jason, I have the DVD and the commentary is one of my favorites it has Robert Englund, Ken Kirzinger (Jason) and Ronny Yu (director)


But this comes when the overwhelming success of Transformers and the failure of several artistically ambitious films will make the studios more risk-averse than ever. Universal linked a director who tries to pursue an artistic vision with one of the few true movie stars that we have left. When experiments like that don’t succeed, we may be left with so few movies for grownups that within a year, the Academy won’t be able to find even five, much less 10, credible candidates for Best Picture.

excerpt from a Daily Beast article about Michael Mann

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-30/public-enemies-true-crimes/2/

for those of you that wonder why these huge studio films do the things they do
 
What do you mean by there being nothing that drives the story? There are several elements that do. Do you mean they never crystallize a reason for Sam to doubt himself and his role in the struggle early on, therefore it sort of comes out of nowhere?
That, yes, but more that nothing in the film is actually affected by these plot points. If the romance was absent, what would be different? Nothing. If Sam wasn't struggling to find his place, what would be different? Maybe something, but I can't tell you what. It's not like he had the option to say "I'm not playing this game any more."

Now, you might say that Sam didn't affect the story, but the story affected Sam. Meh. Sam said he didn't want to help, but then later decided he did want to help. There's just not much there to make that meaningful or interesting. You only believe he had this change of heart because the film tells you. It doesn't show you.
 
http://screenrant.com/marvel-updates...ome-rob-15413/

Proof that people like Micheal Bay should stop making films...
Adaptations are not hard. They just require using your noggin...
Bay doesn't have anything in his clearly...

Also, the general public doesn't know any better.
TF2 is more damaging than most understand

the folks at ScreenRant can be a little much sometime....in other news...rumors that Michael Bay will have a pair of customer slippers made.....from a panda
 
The summer honestly is not made for the adult crowd. Everything is either for the kids, pre-teens or for the 18-29 set. Pelham 123, Angels and Demons, and Public Enemies are the only things released that most 40+ people will go check out in droves.
 
Correction... this is the year of immature adolescents....
All kids have had this year is Up and maybe Ice Age 3...

2011 will be the year of kids.... TOY STORY 3... *****es
 
The summer honestly is not made for the adult crowd. Everything is either for the kids, pre-teens or for the 18-29 set. Pelham 123, Angels and Demons, and Public Enemies are the only things released that most 40+ people will go check out in droves.

but Pelham and Angels and Demons weren't very good.....I have higher hopes for Public Enemies and Inglorious Basterds
 
That, yes, but more that nothing in the film is actually affected by these plot points. If the romance was absent, what would be different? Nothing. If Sam wasn't struggling to find his place, what would be different? Maybe something, but I can't tell you what.

What exactly do you mean “what would be different”? That's kind of like asking what would be different if Batman had never unretired himself in THE DARK KNIGHT. The differences are fairly obvious: Sam's premise would change, but the overall story premise would remain the same, as would the outcome of it.

If there was no romance there'd be no romance. Would that be a horrible thing? Well, maybe not (debatable with Megan Fox involved for many), but the romance does add at least a bit of additional heart, stakes, relevance and conflict to Sam's quest. With Mikaela involved, his decisions take on another dimension entirely, as now he has to consider her well being and feelings in his choices, a future with her, safety, etc, weighed against the bigger picture. Concretely though, with this plot, if Mikaela didn't care about Sam, she doesn't go visit him, there's literally no depth to the The Pretender showing up and it's role in Sam's life, Wheelie doesn't come into play as he did, and no one ever figures out anything about what's about to happen to the Earth, which strikes me as a bad thing.

If Sam didn't embrace his role in events, it’s fairly obvious that Optimus Prime would not have come back to life, and no one would stop The Fallen and the Decepticons from destroying all life on Earth. I mean, I guess we can hope someone might have stopped them, but I just don't see that happening, per what the movie shows. That seems like a pretty big change to me.

It's not like he had the option to say "I'm not playing this game any more."

Sure he did. He chose to go on with his quest.

Now, you might say that Sam didn't affect the story, but the story affected Sam. Meh. Sam said he didn't want to help, but then later decided he did want to help. There's just not much there to make that meaningful or interesting.

The story affected Sam and Sam affected the story.

It's not executed particularly well. There's not much of a struggle from Sam, he just doesn't to help or feel he can, and then something happens that makes him want to help, and feel he can. There's no uber dramatic "turning point moment" where Sam sees or experiences something that suggests he needs to be a part of the Transformers world (though his reaction to Prime sacrificing himself for him is somewhat in that vein). This is the film's major weakness, but the story elements are still there. They're not some empty framework. If you can't glean that Sam feels a responsibility to the Transformers, and as he realizes the scale of events, to the Earth itself...

You only believe he had this change of heart because the film tells you. It doesn't show you.

And again, this a weakness of the film as a whole. Telling more than showing. But what do you consider Sam actually experiencing events that involve him, realizing the scale of what he's involved in, and choosing his place in them? Is that not showing to an extent?
 
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What exactly do you mean “what would be different”? That's kind of like asking what would be different if Batman had never unretired himself in THE DARK KNIGHT. The differences are fairly obvious: Sam's premise would change, but the overall story premise would remain the same, as would the outcome of it.

If there was no romance there'd be no romance. Would that be a horrible thing? Well, maybe not (debatable with Megan Fox involved for many), but the romance does add at least a bit of additional heart, stakes, relevance and conflict to Sam's quest.
It didn't add any of those things to any satisafactory degree, which is one of the reasons I'm saying the movie would be only marginally different without it.

With Mikaela involved, his decisions take on another dimension entirely, as now he has to consider her well being and feelings in his choices, a future with her, safety, etc, weighed against the bigger picture.
You're describing things that should have been in the film; not things that actually were in the film, at least not in any meaningful amount.

Concretely though, with this plot, if Mikaela didn't care about Sam, she doesn't go visit him, there's literally no depth to the The Pretender showing up and it's role in Sam's life, Wheelie doesn't come into play as he did, and no one ever figures out anything about what's about to happen to the Earth, which strikes me as a bad thing.
There was no depth, anyway. Mikaela was mad, and then later she wasn't. The end.

Furthermore, why did she have to be romantically involved in order to visit him? She came because they had a problem involving the Transformers--one of whom attacked her in her garage. She would not have come to solve their problem if she had not been romantically involved? That seems a dubious conclusion. She comes, everything turns out the same.

If Sam didn't embrace his role in events, it’s fairly obvious that Optimus Prime would not have come back to life, and no one would stop The Fallen
I don't see how that's fairly obvious. Whether Sam decided he had a place in this war or not doesn't change the fact that he wants to survive. Can't do that with the sun exploding. If Sam had decided that he would have nothing more to do with the autobots after averting the crisis at hand, what would have changed? He wouldn't have been standing with Optimus at the end, and that's all.

Sure he did. He chose to go on with his quest.
The alternative was "I think I'll wait for death," so you'll understand if I don't consider it much of a choice.

The story affected Sam and Sam affected the story.

It's not executed particularly well. There's not much of a struggle from Sam, he just doesn't to help or feel he can, and then something happens that makes him want to help, and feel he can. There's no uber dramatic "turning point moment" where Sam sees or experiences something that suggests he needs to be a part of the Transformers world (though his reaction to Prime sacrificing himself for him is somewhat in that vein). This is the film's major weakness, but the story elements are still there. They're not some empty framework.
I believe you have described exactly why they are empty framework.

But what do you call Sam actually experiencing events that involve him, realizing the scale of what he's involved in, and choosing his place in them? Is that not showing to an extent?
To the same extent that showing someone a tree and then showing them a piece of paper is showing them that paper comes from trees, perhaps.
 
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My thoughts on ROTF:

EXPLOSION:shock, EXPLOSION:shock, "I am now under the enemy's scrotum" :facepalm
 
Good; the first one was better though.
 
yes because we are too frakking stupid to know what we like. Thank you oh great internet being for showing me the error of my ways. Please tell what I should like because Im too busy Twittering to be entertained
 
YAY I"M FINALLY BACK WOO HOO LOL!!! Oh you guys have no idea how good it feels to type this!!! I lost my internet connection last Monday after getting home from being out of town for that weekend and I've been strugling for the past week to get it back frustrating failure after frustraiting failure!!!:mad: Thankfully a friend who works for AT&T (my ISP) helped me get things back up and running again, along with a new router I just bought which has sped up my connection considerably, so my slow and aganising torture is finally over WOO HOO!!!:D:up:

Ok on to my little review, I'm not one for long winded reviews so I'll keep it brief, I FREAKING LOVED THE MOVIE!!! Could I have done with less testicle jokes and more dialog between the autobots, sure, but to me these things didn't make the movie any less fun!!! I enjoyed the twins more than I thought I would, they were freaking hilarious as was wheelie!!! The fight scenes in the forest and the long as hell final battle were freaking awesome!!! I've seen it twice and will be seeing it atleast 2 more times in the theaters, and OMG @ the box office #s, crazy stuff,:eek::up: I'm very happy about that, I really enjoyed the roller coaster ride 9.5/10!!!:D:up:
 
Im sure if you let a hardest of the hardcore Transformers fan write a film, you'd probably have 50 people that actually got it, the other 96 percent of the movie viewing public would go see 'The Hangover' again

As long as there were Giant ****ing Robots fighting each other, the movie would be a hit.
 
Went for a 3rd time tonight, unfortunately it was ruined by ****ing idiots who wanted to pay money to ruin the movie for themselves and everyone else by shouting and making sex noises, pisses me right off.

I may have to go and see it a 4th time to make up for it.
 
Awesome Guardian. Glad you liked it :up: :D

Yeah it was allot of fun:D especially after the week I'd been having,:mad: I'm looking forward to seeing it again, it's just a fun movie to watch and Prime PWNS in this one which is freaking awesome!!!:D:up:
 
I know. I keep hoping someone else will chime in. People scream foul, but then when you ask "What would be better in terms of the actual storyline", there's nary a peep.

I think simply a story that makes sense would help.

One of the biggest questions is how this movie ties in with the first? It may seem like a simplistic question, but I’ve seen the movie twice and I don’t know what’s going on. I don’t see a connection.

The first movie, Megatron takes over Cybertron. They lose the Allspark. Megatron follows it to Earth and gets stuck in the arctic.

The second movie, the first Primes come to Earth and build a sun-destroying machine during the Stone Age, the Fallen becomes too powerful, and the Primes hide themselves and the Matrix.

How do these storylines fit together? This one thing alone kills my brain with questions.

Here’s another question, how did the government cover up the massive destruction in the city, with presumable thousands of witnesses, as well as the Secretary of Defense going on TV saying that there’s been an alien attack, yet in the second movie, it’s all just an internet conspiracy? That is some high suspension of disbelief.

What’s the deal with the sun-destroying machine? So apparently, Transformers need to harness such vast amounts of energy that it will kill the sun, so what have they been living off of for the last thousands of years?

If a piece of the Allspark can revive Megatron, why couldn’t the Autobots use their piece to revive Jazz or Optimus?

And those are just question off the top of my head. Those are just complaints about actually story. I could go on with complaints about character development and lazy/******ed editing, but I think plenty of people have gone into that.

In the end, I’m not looking for the next Citizen Kane; I just want a story that doesn’t have me scratching my head thinking, “What The **** Just Happened”?
 
What’s the deal with the sun-destroying machine? So apparently, Transformers need to harness such vast amounts of energy that it will kill the sun, so what have they been living off of for the last thousands of years?
I want to see Guard defending the movie on this.
 
I wish...believe me. :) I tried to get into the industry writing screenplays, but it's next to impossible. It's more about who you know and not so much the quality of your work in many ways.


Isn't it how life works in general...never about your work, just who u know....damn shame...leaves a lot of the more talent'd ones on the shelf or back burner.
 


I think simply a story that makes sense would help.

One of the biggest questions is how this movie ties in with the first? It may seem like a simplistic question, but I’ve seen the movie twice and I don’t know what’s going on. I don’t see a connection.

The first movie, Megatron takes over Cybertron. They lose the Allspark. Megatron follows it to Earth and gets stuck in the arctic.

Seeing as The Fallen called Megatron his disciple, could it not have been The Fallen that turned Megatron bad and against his comrades? The Fallen is referred to as the first Decepticon, so this is entirely plausible.


The second movie, the first Primes come to Earth and build a sun-destroying machine during the Stone Age, the Fallen becomes too powerful, and the Primes hide themselves and the Matrix.

How do these storylines fit together? This one thing alone kills my brain with questions.

Megatron mentions in ROTF he had failed the Fallen by not obtaining the Allspark, which would have powered the machine, The Allspark was not energon, otherwise it would have revived Jetfire completely and utterley, it didnt, it just woke him up.

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Here’s another question, how did the government cover up the massive destruction in the city, with presumable thousands of witnesses, as well as the Secretary of Defense going on TV saying that there’s been an alien attack, yet in the second movie, it’s all just an internet conspiracy? That is some high suspension of disbelief.

Sam's Dad mentioned in the movie that the government were paying for re-construction on their house, is it out of the realm of possibility that they payed a lot of other people off as well. They wouldnt have caught everyone, but the people running for their lives at that moment in the first movie probably didnt know WTF was going on.

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What’s the deal with the sun-destroying machine? So apparently, Transformers need to harness such vast amounts of energy that it will kill the sun, so what have they been living off of for the last thousands of years?

Starscream says in the movie their Energon is running out, and the Transformers also harvested Suns from lifeless planets in the past, could it maybe have been this what they were living off?

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If a piece of the Allspark can revive Megatron, why couldn’t the Autobots use their piece to revive Jazz or Optimus?

Jazz or Optimus didnt have a spare spark, the Decep's destroyed one of their own and gave his spark to Megatron, then at the end Prime got Jetfire's.


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And those are just question off the top of my head. Those are just complaints about actually story. I could go on with complaints about character development and lazy/******ed editing, but I think plenty of people have gone into that.

In the end, I’m not looking for the next Citizen Kane; I just want a story that doesn’t have me scratching my head thinking, “What The **** Just Happened”?

All of this, and other criticisms I hear are all in the frickin movie, its just about paying attention rather than looking for flaws.
 
also what happened to Sams great grandfather happened to him with bits of the allspark being imprinted into his brain....archibald witwicky got hit with a blast of coordinates from Megatron and sam got his brain filled with the remnants of the Allspark when he dropped it on his floor
 
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All of this, and other criticisms I hear are all in the frickin movie, its just about paying attention rather than looking for flaws.


isn't not about loooking for flaws..it's about noticing what's wrong plain n simple...
 
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