Revenge of the Fallen Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[roach]

yes roach, but according to some, those of us that liked it are horrible people with no class or morals and are contributing to the downfall of cinema......and we also eat kittens

i know and I dont understand it. I realize that e all arent supposed to like the same things but to call this movie the downfall of cinema....lol????

 

[SsM]

yes roach, but according to some, those of us that liked it are horrible people with no class or morals and are contributing to the downfall of cinema......and we also eat kittens

Wow, did someone really tell you that?

 

[knowsbleed]

You aren't a real man unless you eat kittens.

 

[BlackLantern]

Wow, did someone really tell you that?

kind of...the comic store my friend manages, he has this regular that comes in...lets call him Scott, and he's spirited about his opinions and essentially called me a bad person for liking the film....that "real" fans should know better, so on and so forth

 

[knowsbleed]

Did you eat his kitten afterwards?

 

[BlackLantern]

Did you eat his kitten afterwards?

took the head off that ****er with one bite

 

[knowsbleed]

Ha... that reminds me... my friend told me his dog did that to one of their cats one time. He said his german shepherd did it so fast that all he saw was the headless body of the cat with blood spurting out and his dog sitting there like nothing happened.




... but I digress... Optimus Prime is my father.

 

[Marvin]

Nicolas Cage, Will Smith, Shia LaBeouf, and Martin Lawrence. So...all of the careers he claimed to have "made".

"Nick Cage wasn't a big actor when I cast him, nor was Ben Affleck before I put him in 'Armageddon.' Shia LaBeouf wasn't a big movie star before he did 'Transformers' -- and then he exploded. Not to mention Will Smith and Martin Lawrence, from 'Bad Boys'," he points out.

having found a minute to read the actual article I'm not sure where the word "made" came from. He never claimed to literally make careers, he takes responsibility for the burst in momentum their careers received after their appearance his movies and thus making them "big" stars in the industry.(but i'm sure you knew that)

also briefly looking at the imdb charts for each of those actors mention I have to agree with him

Will Smith for example, Bad boys was his first big (dumb) summer film and after that he STARTED to receive more and more big hollywood rolls ALONG THE SAME LINES(likable action hero)
To claim he had a "big" career before that with his fresh prince television show is fallace, TV and Film are very different when it comes to the concept of big careers
just ask Patrick Dempsey, sure he's big on TV, but he can't sell a film for beans.

whats funny is how much bigger a show Fresh Prince became in post Smith's film career boom.

(in case you missed it, there were two points there; having a (tv) career and being a hot hollywood commodity are two very different things and he didn't literally say he started their careers)

I used to watch "Even stevens" all the time, but do you think shia's all over GQ and other magazines and at all the events due to his "pre bay" career?
I'm sure if the only film he had made was disturbia, that Perez hilton would be oh so curious about who he's eating pie with every sunday morning

(point being, Shia has a really big career right now, and those so so films and tv shows he was on can't be given as much credit as Transformers in doing so)

Yes he did make the new indy movie! However, one that was a dud, and two just like ID4 for smith, it came after his first huge door opening hit.

Martin Lawrence?
that's a joke right? ask anyone to name 2 "big" movies he was in and if they both aren't bad boys movies one might be big moma, but again and I keep coming back to it, chronology is a huge factor.

Nic cage had a career no doubt, but he didn't have a "box office" hits before bay.

should I even speak on megan fox?

If bay claimed to make Sean Connery's career, then perhaps he's be full of sh#t.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

double post

 

[CEREBRAL....]

"Nick Cage wasn't a big actor when I cast him, nor was Ben Affleck before I put him in 'Armageddon.' Shia LaBeouf wasn't a big movie star before he did 'Transformers' -- and then he exploded. Not to mention Will Smith and Martin Lawrence, from 'Bad Boys'," he points out.

having found a minute to read the actual article I'm not sure where the word "made" came from. He never claimed to literally make careers, he takes responsibility for the burst in momentum their careers received after their appearance his movies and thus making them "big" stars in the industry.(but i'm sure you knew that)

wow u should be bay's P/R person...u really spun that one around...

 

[The Guard]

He doesn't need to spin it. The inference is clear. And Bay's right, to some extent.

 

[Marvin]

wow u should be bay's P/R person...u really spun that one around...

oh Cerebral, you're too kind

I simply read the quote and exercised my basic comprehension skills

hint; the use of the word "big"

 

[CEREBRAL....]

oh Cerebral, you're too kind

I simply read the quote and exercised my basic comprehension skills

hint; the use of the word "big"

ha ha

aka...they weren't much til AFTER they starred in my movies....

please M.Bay that is coming off pompus at best..you movies weren't that good...

 

[Sam Fisher]

2/5. This movie was pretty terrible. Too long and drawn out. I literally had to keep myself from falling asleep, and that doesn't happen often.

 

[Marvin]

ha ha

aka...they weren't much til AFTER they starred in my movies....

please M.Bay that is coming off pompus at best..you movies weren't that good...

movies don't have to be "good" to do that

they just have to really entertain the audience so much so that the audience will want to see more of said actor

just ask Jim Carey!

 

[The Lizard]

Nic cage had a career no doubt, but he didn't have a "box office" hits before bay.

Actually, Moonstruck made $80 mil US in 1987. A very decent BO for that time and that genre.

And of course there's that little Best Actor Oscar that Cage got for Leaving Las Vegas in '95. So while Bay opened the door for Cage's blockbuster action movie career (which many would consider a dubious honor), Cage was already big-name before Bay came along.

 

[Saint]

That's like me saying that if Batman didn't kill Dent and take the blame for his crimes, nothing would have changed in THE DARK KNIGHT, except that he wouldn't have been running from the cops. I think the promise of things to come is fairly important in context, though.

Right. Does it feel important to you in Transformers, though? Because it doesn't to me.

Competent follow through in terms of...the resolution of the arc?

Follow through in terms of where this will go in the sequel. Since the exploration of the story thus far has not satisfied me by any degree, I don't expect the place they take this plot thread to be satisfactory, either.

Wouldn't he still have essentially changed and developed as a character, based on where he began the film?

Sure. Somewhere in our conversation I've lost track of the point you're driving at in this particular instance, though.

 

[Marvin]

Actually, Moonstruck made $80 mil US in 1987. A very decent BO for that time and that genre.

And of course there's that little Best Actor Oscar that Cage got for Leaving Las Vegas in '95. So while Bay opened the door for Cage's blockbuster action movie career (which many would consider a dubious honor), Cage was already big-name before Bay came along.

compared to the rocks 140ish million, also good for the times and a restricted film,

moonstruck is to cage what eagle eye is for Shia, a decent film.

as far as oscar win
well that definitely depends on a few things

I mean Philip seymour hoffmans capote win doesn't really go that far in terms of him opening a big movie and the studio relying on him to put bodies in seats.

but I agree, with cage it was more about making him an action draw, bays actual words.

 

[El_Citrus]

Just got back from the movie. Someone summed it up best by saying that "If you liked the first, you'll enjoy this one". This movie was definitely not as good as the first, but it still wasn't a bad or terrible movie. Here's a quick list of what I liked and disliked:

Pros:
Optimus badassness
Slight tweaking of voicework for Megs and Starscream
Megs/Starscream relationship
TONS of action
Majority of the humor
Soundwave
Most of the Fallen's backstory


Cons:
Pretender
The Twins...
Devastator and Fallen's easy defeats
Too many robots/lack of character depth
Spliced together/jumbled plot
Fart/humping/frat boy humor
Leo

Initial score: 3/5

 

[CelticPredator]

There is a difference between action stars, and dramatic stars. More people know action stars.

 

[Marvin]

There is a difference between action stars, and dramatic stars. More people know action stars.

gotta disagree with you there pal...it all depends on the star

for example, there are plenty of b movie action stars B+ even

more people know Forest Whitaker.

that being said, Chris Pine probably has a better career ahead of him then he ever would as a drama star

and who doesn't know van damme

you're half right I suppose.

 

[Ipodman]

When Optimus double blades popped up, i suddenly thought of deadpool

 

[Jager X]

So I saw the movie yesterday, and here is what I thought. Transformers: ROTF was all action and crap story.

Now, I have been following this argument for the past 25+ pages or so. I looked at both the positive and negative reviews and took them at face value until I saw the film. I walked into the movie telling myself not to expect much from the plot and just enjoy film for what it is. Hey, it worked for the movie quite well. Let me just address some of the prenotions I had of the film from reviewers.

The twins: I did not find them racist. People exxagerated these characters to high hell. With that being said, these were two of the most annoying and worthless mofos in the entire film. I definately prefer Jar Jar Binks. Everytime they said ***** or ***** ass, I felt compelled to look at the faces of an entire row of 6-8 year olds next to me.

The giant testicles: I did not look half as bad as I thought. But then again, by this time I was so numb by the asinine inneundos the preceded this.

The plot: Not difficult to follow at all. The events that took place were really easy to comprehend, but exceptionally hard to swallow.

IMHO, after the Shanghai scene this movie went downhill. I felt so embarrassed at times watching this film. ROTF slowly turned into a film of bad porn jokes and unnecessarily wasted potential of the plot.

What I did not need to see:

The constant humping. Once was good enough, but to interrupt the flow of the action to show it again and once more with a robot made me cringe.

The propaganda-esque marijuana scene: What. The. ****? This entire scene just got under my skin. Nobody acts like that on weed, NOBODY. I felt like I was watching Reefer Madness. And I would hate to be the parent who has to explain to their kid what "poppin cherries" is.

Man ass in thong: Give me the BLUE PENIS a thousand times!!!!! This was rediculously unnecessary. I can almost understand the rage Ben Stiller's character felt in Heavyweights.

Sex jokes: No, no, no, no. This was such a downgrade from the first film. The original movie had its fair share of sex jokes but they were subtle and intelligent. There you had, "Happy time" and "The boy's pheremone levels suggests...." Here, you had robot penises shooting their load. I was fine with the ass slap and dirty talk from the mom and dad, but Bay's inner virgin came out after.

(There's more but I want to get done with this as quickly as possible.)

I hated the fact that the autobot were practically nonexistant, aside from Optimus and BB. Sideswipe was so awesome but pushed aside after the first five minutes. I took Jolt presence as an insult, because he did nothing yet he looked badass and carried friggin whips. Ironhide is a favorite and was given the shaft. Ratchet should have just died in the first film since he was hardly featured in this one.

I will say this though, Bay definately knows how to direct action. But this film fails for me. At least I still have TF1, I guess.

 

[El_Citrus]

After a night of sleep, I can elaborate further on my initial review.

Once again, I quite enjoyed this movie, but I could see many more flaws in this movie than TF1.

The plot wasn't hard to follow at first: Decepticons are looking for something, Autobots are hunting them down, US Government is unsure about keeping them here. Then we get a second Allspark shard after nearly all of it melted into Megs; okaaay. This could have been done with Sam melting down from touching the cube so much in the first one, but Bay needed Bumblebee to blow the house up for some reason. Then we get the Decepticons wanting to rip info out of Sam's head to find the Matrix of Leadership, which was hidden by the original primes, on Earth, right next to the massive sun-destroying weapon that the fallen wanted to use. Ugh. You can see the plot rolling downhill fast due to the writer's strike, and it was so jumbled and entangled that it just hurt to try and think logically about the plot, but great plot is not what this movie's about.

Most of the new robots that Bay introduced were awesome, but there were just way too many and too many duplicates for us to care much about them. And then they gave us the twins, which I seriously hope are killed quickly in the next movie by Megatron (I want to see him squeeze/crush one's head with a single hand and blow the other away with a cannon blast at point blank range). Introducing just Sideswipe and Arcee would have been enough for the Autobots so that everyone could have some DIALOGUE and something to DO rather than show up for five minutes. Soundwave was supremely awesome as well, as he and the constructicons made a great addition to the Decepticons. I would have liked to have seen Sideways and Barricade make it to the end of the movie so that we didn't have extra constructicons running around and a Terminator rip off with the Pretender who didn't reallly need to be in this film.

Because of all the robots and the rushed plot, we weren't given time to fully take everything in. Megatron's resurrection should have been a huge "oh *****" moment, but it wasn't given time to soak in with the audience, as well as the other major event involving Optimus. Both happened in the first hour rather than later in the movie. The same thing happens at the end, with the Fallen and Devastator being destroyed so easily in about five minutes. This all ties into the plot being too jumbled and rushed, but even with all of these problems, it was still a great spectacle to watch all of them in action.

The acting was sub par again, but the dialogue wasn't completely as bad as most of TF1, I don't think, even though Megan Fox was more wooden than a 2x4 in this movie. Much of the dialogue was funny, along with the first, although Bay did go overboard with sex jokes that were unnecessary. Simmons wasn't as annoying, although I didn't need to see his thong. Everything annoying got passed to Leo, who could have died at some point and I would have been happy.

The action, as usual, was outstanding, and huge, and, well, Bay, although it could have worked a lot better if Bay could have held still for a while.

In the end though, I found this movie to be quite enjoyable despite the glaring flaws, since the relationship between Megs and Starscream was a LOT better and Optimus got to show off his fighting skills a lot more. This film had tons of potential, but it lost it's way many times on various aspects and became a mess of explosions and beautiful cgi work. It's worth at least a second viewing and dvd purchase.

3/5

 

[Avangarde]

Exactly... Optimus was a heavy handed mother****er.





His pimp hand was strong.