The Last Knight Transformers:The Last Knight Official Thread

[Arachnerd]

But it's something everyone should have expected at this point.

If someone's really going through another endless tirade about why a Transformers film sucks, I honestly pity them.

 

[TheVileOne]

But it's something everyone should have expected at this point.

OK, and what does that mean?

If someone's really going through another endless tirade about why a Transformers film sucks, I honestly pity them.

Why?

So because they should've expected the movie is trash, it means the movie is absolved of being called trash? That's basically what it sounds like you are saying.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think he is saying you should know what to expect before going into a Bay directed TF movie.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think he is saying you should know what to expect before going into a Bay directed TF movie.

A big budget action movie with bad characters, action, comedy and marginalized Decepticon and Autobot characters who lack agencies and well defined personalities of their own?

Also, Mark Wahlberg for no reason saying a woman is a stripper.

 

[Grootster]

Some spoilers from an early screening have been slowly leaking out, it sounds like there's some pretty crazy stuff in there. Unfortunately it also sounds pretty messy and disjointed.

 

[TheVileOne]

The half hour IMAX sneak preview was also very messy and disjointed.

 

[Grootster]

The half hour IMAX sneak preview was also very messy and disjointed.

Unfortunately TLK doesn't sound any better than the past 4, at least in terms of being a good movie.

From what I gather it does seem to be setting up a decent cinematic universe and deepening the lore (more world-building, etc), so even if TLK isn't good, it sounds like there's at least the potential now for good movies in this series.

 

[Arachnerd]

I think he is saying you should know what to expect before going into a Bay directed TF movie.

This guy gets it. Acting like it's a big deal when it doesn't turn out different from the others is a moronic notion, regardless of opinion.

 

[TheVileOne]

This guy gets it. Acting like it's a big deal when it doesn't turn out different from the others is a moronic notion, regardless of opinion.

This comes off like a weak way to defend Bay's Transformers movies. It almost sounds like people shouldn't want these movies to be better because Bay works on them. I don't think that notion in and of itself is moronic, sorry.

 

[Grootster]

This guy gets it. Acting like it's a big deal when it doesn't turn out different from the others is a moronic notion, regardless of opinion.

Are you saying it's the fans' fault for being upset with a movie? If a movie turns out bad it's always the filmmakers' fault, the audience has every right to want and expect a well put together film; and to be disappointed if they don't feel they got it. Four wrongs don't make a right.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This guy gets it. Acting like it's a big deal when it doesn't turn out different from the others is a moronic notion, regardless of opinion.

Bay has been around long enough for people to know what to expect from him. Expecting something different at this point is just giving yourself false hope. I enjoy these movies for what they are, but I know full well what I am getting before I go in.

 

[Arachnerd]

Are you saying it's the fans' fault for being upset with a movie? If a movie turns out bad it's always the filmmakers' fault, the audience has every right to want and expect a well put together film; and to be disappointed if they don't feel they got it. Four wrongs don't make a right.

Please tell me where in my post did I say that it was the fans' fault for the movie failing. Nowhere did I even imply such a thing.

Fans have the right to be upset, but not to such a big level where it de-evolves into ranting. Seriously, take a look at the TFW2005 movie boards. They're reactions are complete and utter hyperbole, and the movie's not even out yet.

You can dislike the same repackage all you want, but if you get to the same level of upset you did when you had that first package, that's on you for expecting anything remotely different. Doesn't mean the movie sucks any less, just that expectations shouldn't be any different this go around.

 

[TheVileOne]

Please tell me where in my post did I say that it was the fans' fault for the movie failing. Nowhere did I even imply such a thing.

Fans have the right to be upset, but not to such a big level where it de-evolves into ranting. Seriously, take a look at the TFW2005 movie boards. They're reactions are complete and utter hyperbole, and the movie's not even out yet.

Actually they have the right to be that upset where it turns into ranting as well. Pretty much everyone on the internet has that right.

You can dislike the same repackage all you want, but if you get to the same level of upset you did when you had that first package, that's on you for expecting anything remotely different. Doesn't mean the movie sucks any less, just that expectations shouldn't be any different this go around.

Maybe their expectations haven't changed. But that doesn't mean they can't be upset. Sorry, this logic doesn't compute.

 

[Arachnerd]

I'm not saying they shouldn't be upset. Please re-read my post. You're gravely misunderstanding my point.

And sorry, but when you get to the point when you're incoherently rambling about any movie to the point where you're acting like a petulant child, anyone's right to rant should be rendered mute when said opinion can't be taken seriously.

I don't have any issue with the critic reviews so far, because they're actually constructive. From what I've seen of a good portion of fans though, I still think such a high level of hatred from them is not earned to something, again, that has basically the same flaws as the other films.

And it's not like I don't understand. I know everyone wants a good Transformers movie, I get that. But everyone should know the drill at this point. If a Transformers movie comes out and is still directed by Michael Bay, they at least have to know what to expect. Doesn't mean they shouldn't complain about it, but having that mindset of "it's gonna be the same thing again" isn't necessarily a bad thing. The best thing we can expect at this point is for this to actually be Bay's last TF film.

But you know how he pulled that card in the past.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I was entertained to various degrees by three of the last four films. Good or bad I'm going into this film with the notion that I'll probably be getting the same thing as I got from the last few and that's just common sense 5 movies in.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Some spoilers from an early screening have been slowly leaking out, it sounds like there's some pretty crazy stuff in there.

So just like the last three sequels?

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not saying they shouldn't be upset. Please re-read my post. You're gravely misunderstanding my point.

And sorry, but when you get to the point when you're incoherently rambling about any movie to the point where you're acting like a petulant child, anyone's right to rant should be rendered mute when said opinion can't be taken seriously.

I don't have any issue with the critic reviews so far, because they're actually constructive. From what I've seen of a good portion of fans though, I still think such a high level of hatred from them is not earned to something, again, that has basically the same flaws as the other films.

You said they have no right to act that way. Well yeah, they do. Maybe it can't be taken seriously, but they still have the right to act that way. Maybe it should be rendered mute, but if it's in the rules for whatever public forum it's fair game. Fans have a right to be frustrated with what Michael Bay and his writers have done to the franchise as well.

And it's not like I don't understand. I know everyone wants a good Transformers movie, I get that. But everyone should know the drill at this point. If a Transformers movie comes out and is still directed by Michael Bay, they at least have to know what to expect. Doesn't mean they shouldn't complain about it, but having that mindset of "it's gonna be the same thing again" isn't necessarily a bad thing. The best thing we can expect at this point is for this to actually be Bay's last TF film.

But you know how he pulled that card in the past.

When you say this it sounds similar to justifying the mediocrity of Michael Bay because he continues to work on these films.

 

[Grootster]

Please tell me where in my post did I say that it was the fans' fault for the movie failing. Nowhere did I even imply such a thing.

Fans have the right to be upset, but not to such a big level where it de-evolves into ranting. Seriously, take a look at the TFW2005 movie boards. They're reactions are complete and utter hyperbole, and the movie's not even out yet.

You can dislike the same repackage all you want, but if you get to the same level of upset you did when you had that first package, that's on you for expecting anything remotely different. Doesn't mean the movie sucks any less, just that expectations shouldn't be any different this go around.

I may have misinterpreted, I think I get what you're saying. I agree that ranting isn't the best response and that expectations should be kept low for movies like this. At the same time also I understand people's frustration when a movie disappoints; I suppose I can see both sides.

So just like the last three sequels?

Some of it does, lol.

I must say that this movie sounds more...Transformers-y? Does that make sense?

Put it this way, I've always joked that the 2007 movie is a high school comedy with a few giant robots photoshopped in. If that's the case, TLK sounds more like a straight up science fiction movie. It does sound like it still has an awful lot of human drama, but at least it's all oriented towards a sci-fi story. It's taken ten years, but I feel like this series is finally beginning to find itself.

 

[TheVileOne]

I also checked out the TFW forums. It's a lot of hemming and hawing over which marginal Transformers characters has somewhat more than marginal screentime in the movie, who kills them, and how. Even though almost all the Transformers characters are cookie-cutter characters without well defined characterizations or personalities besides one-note gimmicks or gags.

 

[TheAQU4M4N]

Who's voicing Megatron? I heard rumblings it was Welker.

 

[Bats123]

So uh, where are all these spoilers? I wanna know how dumb everything is.

 

[Jumpman]

It sounds like, based on spoilers, I'm getting a version of what I wanted with this film and I'm stoked.

 

[Filmfan93]

It is simply hilarious on the tfw boards.

In the main spoilers thread (around 40 pages long so far), a poster was upset that another poster spoiled the after-credit scene for him... you know... in the spoiler thread

 

[StarLord]

Who's voicing Megatron? I heard rumblings it was Welker.

The rumblings are correct.

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[Arachnerd]

Oh look, another Decepticon that actually gets speaking lines.

And a...personality? *gasp*