UF student tasered at John Kerry Speech

[Mike_D202]

While there may be signs of poor leadership in this country, a student getting tasered by campus rent-a-cops is not one of them.

Remember these rent-a-cops aren't the Staties, and they are usually attractive positions for the type of folks who would taser teenagers whether they wore a uniform or not. These guys were more or less the equivalent of bouncers, and when they saw and opportunity act like tough guys, they took. They should be fired no question. But their actions have nothing to do with Kerry, the country or this Government. Those guys are licensed out privately.

Spoken like somebody who hates authority

You should probably explain YOUR definition of what a "rent-a-cop" is, because I'm pretty sure that the term is deragatory towards security guards, not actual POLICE OFFICERS (who are the ones who are involved in this case).

 

[chaseter]

I would taser myself if I had to listen to John Kerry drone on and on in that voice...

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Did you watch the video they tried to drag him out, he started thrashing around flailing his arms and legs and continuously trying to break free of them.

yes, and if they are given tazers but no cuffs they are the worst cops ever.
plain and simple, 5 people should able to subdue a single man ( with no training or drug induced rage) without using tazers.

they can't?

wow, why are they in that line of work anyway?

 

[Mr Sparkle]

The cops on COPS cause a lot more physical harm than a stupid taser. Why should the cops go through all that trouble when they can just tase him. Looks pretty effective to me.

no, no they don't, sorry, they simply subdue the suspect in a manner in which anyone with minor training in hand to hand combat should be able to, especially tag teaming the person.
again, what "looks effective" to you is irrelevant.

Wow, making fun of someones spelling, real mature. This coming from a guy who can't spell taser.

LOL. both forms are acceptable.
as opposed to "pummel" which is not "pumble"
I'm not making fun of your spelling dude, I'm making fun of your vocabulary.

The guy was pushing and throwing his arms around. Like I said, why put up with all that trouble, just tase him, that's what it's for.

Name calling shows that you know you don't have a rational point.

wow, way to not list the "bodily harm" so bodily harm is a kick from a 19 year old?
gee, guess they should just shoot armed robbery suspects on sight, you know "why go to all the trouble" of questioning them?
and I call you names, not because of the rationality of my point, but because of the banality and frailty of your own.
so far, you have only been able to argue that it was ok to taze him because the alternative was "too much trouble"

gee, that sounds really rational doesn't it?

If you had a valid point, I would address it

no, you wouldn't be able to, it's too far beyond your obviously limited capabilities.
good try though, keep reaching for those stars.

So can a choke hold. A taser is a non-lethal way to subdue someone. It's a lot cleaner and less effort on the part of the cop.

LOL, again, no.
you're obviously talking about things you have no understanding off and again, the only argument you can put forward is that it's "less effort"
and your definition of clean is also flawed, as anyone experienced in combat would call subduing a suspect without employing any type of weapons "clean" as opposed to your definition.

which happens to be wrong.

Nice try.

that's a bizarre response considering my statement is true.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Spoken like somebody who hates authority

You should probably explain YOUR definition of what a "rent-a-cop" is, because I'm pretty sure that the term is duragatory towards security guards, not actual POLICE OFFICERS (who are the ones who are involved in this case).

aahahahahahahaha! "duragatory" t:
Mike, you are a prince among men.


"duragatory" chuckles.

 

[BlackLantern]

Who here thinks this kid goes missing in the next year or so???

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Who here thinks this kid goes missing in the next year or so???

what? why?

 

[BlackLantern]

what? why?

why not? something accidental maybe...like a car accident, house fire...?

 

[Kelly]

Well, after 17 pages, and 416 posts, the guy certainly got what he was shooting for out of this crowd......."alot of attention".

 

[kainedamo]

If you asked an important man in the world a question, and get dragged away before he/she answering, would you not throw a fit?

Number 1: He took his sweet time asking his question, and it wasn't enough for him to ask just one. He asked about 3, and STILL showed no sign of finishing.

Number 2: It's a Q and A session, not a debate. And Q and A sessions have rules. This guy knowingly broke them. He was warned several times to get to the point.

Number 3: The guy "throws a fit" from beginning to end. He acts like an excited kid with ADD from start to finish. Before the cops try to escort him out, he's just ranting at Kerry. He freaks out when his mic gets cut, and then he freaks out when the cops try to escort him out.

Number 4: All the cops were trying to do at first was escort him out. It's obvious if you watch it, at that point they aren't trying to arrest him. They're simply trying to bring him out of the hall. He acts like a freak and bounces around the place. It has since come out that he wanted to get a reaction, he wanted to be recorded.

Number 5: I can't believe how big an issue people have made this.

 

[BlackLantern]

Kaine...it's because it's cool to hate authority, even if they are doing their job....to add to the above list....the guys even told him 3 or 4 times he would get tasered if he didn't settle down.....so everyone involved gave him more than enough chance to either wrap up his diatribe and leave peacefully....not to mention...he did trample on the other students Freedom of Speech by jumping the line and making a disturbance....if those kids jumped him, would we be having this conversation at all???

 

[Mike_D202]

aahahahahahahaha! "duragatory" t:
Mike, you are a prince among men.


"duragatory" chuckles.

"derogatory"

eat my shorts!

 

[Cosmic]

It wasn't Kerry's call. Besides, even if Kerry could, do you think that guy would have just asked his question and went on his way? No, he didn't get up there to ask a question, he went up there to cause a scene.

Whether it was his call or not, he would have benefited by taking charge of the situation. He should have called off the cops and confronted that guy. And though I agree that he was there to cause a scene, he did have questions. Some of the people in the audience might have been interested to hear what Kerry had to say in response.

He would have just kept rambling until someone took him out of there. The end product would have happend whether they gave him a minute, 5 minute, 10 minute, or turned the mic off right away.

Kerry failed to assert himself and take control of the situation before it got out of hand. Just like when he let himself get shafted by the Swift Boat Veterans ad campaign.

 

[BlackLantern]

how would Kerry benefit?? In terms of the political landscape, he is a nobody....whats' worse....he's a loser...he ran for office and LOST....Like tons of people have posted in here....Security at events like these have their own instructions, even if Kerry said something...its not like the security personnel would have listened, nor are they obligated to...

 

[Cosmic]

His benefit would have simply been that he wouldn't have had to experience this whole fiasco. I wasn't referring to political gain.

 

[BlackLantern]

Maybe if that kid wasn't an impolite *****ebag and causing a scene he wouldn't have had to experience getting tazered....

 

[Cosmic]

Maybe if the cops weren't incompetent fools, they wouldn't have ever felt the need to reach for the ****ing taser, because they would have either hauled his punk ass out of there, or pinned him solidly to the deck and put the ****ing handcuffs on his wrists, and then dragged him out.

 

[BlackLantern]

Well he did get tasered after being told 3 times he was going to get tasered if he didn't settle down....and I am waiting to see how this whole thing unfolds....Some shows are already poking fun at this....

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Well he did get tasered after being told 3 times he was going to get tasered if he didn't settle down....and I am waiting to see how this whole thing unfolds....Some shows are already poking fun at this....

LOL, that settles it then.
tv has spoken.

 

[BlackLantern]

LOL, that settles it then.
tv has spoken.

I'm fairly sure The Soup will have something this week, along with SNL....

 

[X-Punisher]

This is disturbing. What dirtbags. I hope the facist ****s get their ****ing asses kicked. He was also sent to county jail because he was asking questions. ****ing facist dirtbags need a good stabbin'

 

[BlackLantern]

This is disturbing. What dirtbags. I hope the facist ****s get their ****ing asses kicked. He was also sent to county jail because he was asking questions. ****ing facist dirtbags need a good stabbin'

You've got it all wrong.....it's the facists that do that stuff to dissenters....as evidenced by everyone in that auditorium sitting and watching.....Both the kid and the scurity people are in the wrong....

 

[Darthphere]

This is disturbing. What dirtbags. I hope the facist ****s get their ****ing asses kicked. He was also sent to county jail because he was asking questions. ****ing facist dirtbags need a good stabbin'

I hate when someone uses the word fascist for situations like this. I mean, do you know what fascists are?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

LOL, again, no.
you're obviously talking about things you have no understanding off and again, the only argument you can put forward is that it's "less effort"
and your definition of clean is also flawed, as anyone experienced in combat would call subduing a suspect without employing any type of weapons "clean" as opposed to your definition.

There is nothing easy or clean about subduing someone. Especially if you're talking about grappling someone on the ground. Again, not really defending the whole incident, but tasers are designed as a non-lethal defense. If that taser was lethal he wouldn't have been on the ground shouting "Hey, don't tase me!".

Most police officers only engage in hand to hand combat as a last resort, in any situations. There aren't many ways to painlessly subdue a person.

Despite what Spock used to do on Star Trek, there are no "one touch takedowns". If you want someone unconscious, or to stop moving, there is going to be some blunt trauma or injury involved. Choke holds, for example, can cause brain damage when effective. Bear hugs and grappling/wrestling techniques usually are designed to break a few ribs.

Bottom line, he's lucky none of those guys had or wanted to use 'training'. Tasing someone is in bad taste, breaking their arm with a Judo or BJJ move would've just been ten times worse.

 

[Memphis Slim]

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