UK goverment may ban certain porn acts online

[terry78]

https://www.cnet.com/news/uk-government-no-porn-please-were-british/




If you thought Brexit was a problem....

 

[Spider-Aziz]

This is a problem because.....?

 

[Alex Murphy]

Pervert and proud!

 

[DeadPresident]

This is a problem because.....?

Seconded.

 

[terry78]

For those select few that this would impede, lol.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Seconded.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I don't get people saying there is nothing wrong and it isn't a problem.
It's censorship, and censorship is always a bad thing (of course i'm talking about lawful things)
Besides, today is porn, tomorrow it can be something else.

I'm not from the UK, btw.

But.....look at the world, we are going the fascist route.

 

[DeadPresident]

I don't get people saying there is nothing wrong and it isn't a problem.
It's censorship, and censorship is always a bad thing (of course i'm talking about lawful things)
Besides, today is porn, tomorrow it can be something else.

I'm not from the UK, btw.

But.....look at the world, we are going the fascist route.

A lot of research about porn and what and how people consume it reveals some worrying conclusions. Censorship if it's the lesser of two evils is probably a more desirable route.

What a time to be alive, there are people who compare not being able to access whatever depraved sexual content to fascism. As romantic as the notion of absolute liberty is, the cold hard truth is people shouldn't be allowed to do absolutely whatever they want, not when it has maladaptive consequences for society.

 

[Erzengel]

If I can't watch a trapeze, a kiddy pool of pudding, a monkey and a llama in the UK, I'm going to be pissed.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Not sure how they plan to block the insane amount of porn on the web so good luck with that.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

A lot of research about porn and what and how people consume it reveals some worrying conclusions. Censorship if it's the lesser of two evils is probably a more desirable route.

People are the problem, not porn in itself.
People are messed up in the head for everything that is going on for some decades now, for the lack of morals and values, in this dog eat dog world; porn is the least of anyone's problem, porn problems are not the cause but one of several symptoms.

I have no problem is saying that i watch porn for more than a decade (lesbian, i might add), and i never had any problems with it.
I'm not addicted to it, i have the utmost respect for women, i don't have my priorities scrambled and my moral compass is top notch.
Since i'm no better than anyone else, i have to realize the problem is the people and not porn.

What a time to be alive, there are people who compare not being able to access whatever depraved sexual content to fascism. As romantic as the notion of absolute liberty is, the cold hard truth is people shouldn't be allowed to do absolutely whatever they want, not when it has maladaptive consequences for society.

If you think that my fascist comment was just because of porn, you were living under a rock for some time now.
The all world, alarming and unfortunately, seems to be going for fascism and extremism route with all the rage.

As for "people shouldn't be allowed to do absolutely whatever they want", there is one golden rule, the ONE golden rule that everyone should live by:
> Don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you.
Another rule is:
> Liberty ends when the liberty of others begin

In other words, everything is/should be permitted as long as it doesn't break the rules above. Of course that moderation is a keyword, since without it, addiction can come out.

 

[Thundercrack85]

This seems like classic government overreach. Consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they want, provided it hurts no one else.

 

[DeadPresident]

People are the problem, not porn in itself.
People are messed up in the head for everything that is going on for some decades now, for the lack of morals and values, in this dog eat dog world; porn is the least of anyone's problem, porn is not the cause but one of several symptoms.

I have no problem is saying that i watch porn for more than a decade (lesbian, i might add), and i never had any problems with it.
I'm not addicted to it, i have the utmost respect for women, i don't have my priorities scrambled and my moral compass is top notch.
Since i'm no better than anyone else, i have to realize the problem is the people and not porn.

If you think that my fascist comment was just because of porn, you were living under a rock for some time now.

The all world, alarming and unfortunately, seems to be going for fascism and extremism route with all the rage.

I didn't quote you...?

Nothing I said made the claim that people aren't the problem, but changing people's behavior...? Not likely.

Also, I mentioned porn being implicated in unhealthy psychological symptoms and you go on a diatribe about how porn isn't a big problem...? Guilty conscience? I wasn't accusing anyone of anything, simply making an observation. And if there are such bigger problems in the world why is access to all manner of porn content a big deal? If it's there or not there, bigger problems, right?

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I didn't quote you...?

What?
Of course you did.
You quoted me on your first post

Nothing I said made the claim that people aren't the problem, but changing people's behavior...? Not likely.

You need to change people mentality about world problems, not porn.
Porn is not a top priority in any way.

Also, I mentioned porn being implicated in unhealthy psychological symptoms and you go on a diatribe about how porn isn't a big problem...? Guilty conscience? I wasn't accusing anyone of anything, simply making an observation. And if there are such bigger problems in the world why is access to all manner of porn content a big deal? If it's there or not there, bigger problems, right?

Guilty conscience? Of what? Watching porn? No, i'm not.

"why is access to all manner of porn content a big deal?"

Because of what i stated above:

there is one golden rule, the ONE golden rule that everyone should live by:
> Don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you.
Another rule is:
> Liberty ends when the liberty of others begin

In other words, everything is/should be permitted as long as it doesn't break the rules above. Of course that moderation is a keyword, since without it, addiction can come out.

I wouldn't cry if porn ends tomorrow, good for the ones involved if they found another thing they rather do; but since it's not ending tomorrow, and since it doesn't hurt anyone (unless you believe they are there are gun point), i see no reason to censor it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I didn't quote you...?

Nothing I said made the claim that people aren't the problem, but changing people's behavior...? Not likely.

Also, I mentioned porn being implicated in unhealthy psychological symptoms and you go on a diatribe about how porn isn't a big problem...? Guilty conscience? I wasn't accusing anyone of anything, simply making an observation. And if there are such bigger problems in the world why is access to all manner of porn content a big deal? If it's there or not there, bigger problems, right?

Well... Some would counter that there are in fact bigger more immediate problems than legislating and regulating porn and porn consumption. Besides in places like the U.S. and U.K. the things which should be prohibited already are like underage pornography ect.

This also is similar to prohibition in the sense that many would feel this sort of governence is just feel good stuff that diverts man power and funds from more pressing issues of Law And Order. Think also about what enforcing such laws would require and the ease at which that could morph into something else. Let's not even get into who is going to decide what is acceptable and what isn't. Plus it would set a precedent that could be used for soethig far more sinister in terms of free speech later on under the pretense of "protecting" society.

 

[TeeKay]

 

[Octoberist]

Boy, the Brits sure are stiff (no, not THAT kind of stiff, you perv!)

 

[DeadPresident]

What?
Of course you did.
You quoted me on your first post

My mistake, I looked at your avatar and confused it with another user.

You need to change people mentality about world problems, not porn.
Porn is not a top priority in any way.


Guilty conscience? Of what? Watching porn? No, i'm not.

And where are the initiatives to change people…? People don't want to change, as a well-known saying goes: when it's a choice between change or looking for evidence about why they don't need to, people will always look for the evidence.

"why is access to all manner of porn content a big deal?"

Because of what i stated above:



I wouldn't cry if porn ends tomorrow, good for the ones involved if they found another thing they rather do; but since it's not ending tomorrow, and since it doesn't hurt anyone (unless you believe they are there are gun point), i see no reason to censor it.

Something doesn't have to be explicitly violent or dangerous to be harmful.

Well... Some would counter that there are in fact bigger more immediate problems than legislating and regulating porn and porn consumption. Besides in places like the U.S. and U.K. the things which should be prohibited already are like underage pornography ect.

This also is similar to prohibition in the sense that many would feel this sort of governence is just feel good stuff that diverts man power and funds from more pressing issues of Law And Order. Think also about what enforcing such laws would require and the ease at which that could morph into something else. Let's not even get into who is going to decide what is acceptable and what isn't. Plus it would set a precedent that could be used for soethig far more sinister in terms of free speech later on under the pretense of "protecting" society.

Mildly fallacious logic here. By that logic we should never interfere in anything in case it sets a problematic precedent down the road. I agree the technical implementation is difficult, and I don't really care whether or not it gets implemented, I'm arguing more from a theoretical moral perspective. I find it hilarious and kind of sad that when there's a proposed intervention to censor slightly unhealthy porn content the popular reaction is "Not muh porn fascists!". Is this what we've come to…standing on a soapbox about what kinds of porn we have to have access to…?

Besides, this bill isn't saying it's trying to eliminate the content, just online where it's more accessible to under age kids. Does that seem completely unreasonable? It's not really censorship so much as regulating the channels and platforms of access. Not exactly a mass book burning in a town square.

 

[Octoberist]

I'm confused what the UK government is doing here. Past porn, how far will they go with censorship? It seems like the country is slowly becoming more..right-wing and I wonder what will be the breaking point?

 

[DeadPresident]

I'm confused what the UK government is doing here. Past porn, how far will they go with censorship? It seems like the country is slowly becoming more..right-wing and I wonder what will be the breaking point?

Did you even read the article…? It only states that for specific acts they want to cut online access. Sales of other media of the same content isn't being targeted, like DVDs or whatever.

I'm not in favor of censorship in general but the way you people are acting like the jack boots are coming is mildly amusing.

 

[Pink Ranger]

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Oh for the love of.....

What's so special about watching two or more people onscreen undressing completely and rubbing each other genitalia that a number of you here see worth preserving? What will you gain of it?

Banning this won't lead to banning Disney movies, or YouTube, or pudding, or whatever it is you fear banning will reach next.

If you're afraid this will lead to banning movies with nude scenes then guess what, we see these movies on screen, nudity is trimmed out, you still get the meat of it.

Banning porn won't transgress your right to walk barefoot under the rain.

 

[Shikamaru]

Yay, more censorship appealing to moral panic. As if either one ever worked.

It's sad we have to wait a whole generation for each new form of media to become accepted by the mainstream. Movies, comics, television, rock music, jazz music, rap music...they all went through this process. Hopefully the war on porn doesn't take any longer than the other BS wars did.

 

[Drizzle]

What's so special about watching two or more people onscreen undressing completely and rubbing each other genitalia that a number of you here see worth preserving? What will you gain of it?

 

[childeroland]

It's not a matter of what people will gain by it. It's a matter of why the government is overreaching in this way. If the acts are legal between adults, what's the problem with other adults watching them if they choose to? Who is the government to tell these adults they shouldn't?