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Ultimate Avengers volume 1 is coming in July:
http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Comi...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277033201&sr=8-1

First volume of Ultimate Spider-Man vol.2 is out:
http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Comi...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277033192&sr=8-1

Ultimate Avengers was pretty good, it introduces the new casts and shows how truly badass Captain America is as they fight Red Skull. Ultimate Spidey has been great since the reboot, its more of "spider-man and his amazing friends" route now with Iceman, Human Torch, Gwen Stacy all living under Aunt May's home and whatnot. The first villain is Mysterio. :) He's pretty cool.
 
What the hell is the Spider then? And is Widow telling the truth and Fury really is that much of a tool? And why is it that Stark suits are being handed out all over the shop, but Hawkeye gets squat (not that I mind - his having bionic eyes pisses me off enough as it is)
 
Well Hawkeye is going to talk about the Stark equipment. Spider's identity is still a mystery. He could be a mutant, or super enchanced Peter Parker clone. This issue atleast explains how Spider knew about Hawkeye's past in UA1 #3.

Widow is definatly telling the truth since Spider is somehow able to get ahold of information thru his powers, but yeah Avengers is pretty much consisted of messed up people. The real question is why Nick Fury busted himself? He obviously knew Monica would spot the dots, so is Nick Fury's sociopathic compulsive behaviour forcing him to be in control of everything, yet his love wanted her to tell her the truth or what? It still shows that Nick Fury is pretty mucha control freak, whenever its the planet or relationships.
 
I swear. Somebody should put his head in a floating jar where he'll bark all the orders he wants.
 
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Captain "This aint France" America. Teaser from New Ultimates #3
 
Loki (I think) enjoying the view with Mjolnir from the roof in the baackground there.

And Oh good, Cap with guns again.... I do so like that the Ultimate Universe is all about "Well, we have superpowers; but we pretty much just let the cannons do the work"

Marvel's after school take home message: "You read all about your favourite hero growing up and want to be like them one day and help people. That day comes and you're fighting through the hordes blasting away with Uzis and chomping on a cigar, giving them hell. Sounds good doesn't it? Wrong - don't smoke"
 
Well to be fair Black Panther and Ka-Zar are on what seems to be parachutes, so when they land we can get Black Panther unleash his Silent-Wolverine-stereotypeness. :D But yeah it seems Loeb broke Captain's shield just so Cho could draw Captain America using guns and whatnot.

Ultimate Mystery #1 Preview!

While Ultimate Enemy did have it's flaws, i am following this mini-serie since i still prefer Ultimate Universe over Mainstream. :p Maybe it's the because i can keep the amount of comics below 10 hehe. :D
 
I enjoyed Ult Spidey #12, i just found it ridicilously disgusting and funny how Chameleon thought Peter was into "incest" and was cool about it. :p

Ultimate Avengers 2 #5 preview!

I support some Hawkeye & Punisher Bromance! :D Awesome to see Satan himself, and finally the big action is going to start!
 
I love the Ultimate Avengers. I havent read much of the Ultimate Universe outside of that though.

Hawkeye in the Ultimate Universe I sort of like a lot better...
 
Jonathan Hickman & Carlos Pachero's Ultimate Thor prequel starts this October!!!!!!

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Here's some kick-ass designs:
Hogun:
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Falstaff:
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Volstagg:
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Odin:
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Loki:
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Heimdall:

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I can't wait for that mini series.
 
Hickman explores the roots of Ultimate Thor

- Many readers have speculated what Ultimate Thor was like before being introduced to the Ultimate Universe. How did he become the socially conscious reluctant warrior. What part did his fiendish brother Loki play in shaping Ultimate Thor's destiny Writer Jonathan Hickman and artist Carlos Pacheco will start to answer these questions and more when their four issue "Ultimate Comics Thor" miniseries begins in November.
- "Ultimate Thor" is an origin story, so the title character is in a much different place than when readers first met him in "Ultimates" #4. Over the course of the story Hickman will showcase the many different facets of his protagonist's personality. "This is the formative story of a formidable character. So yeah, there's an arc there. He grows and changes and as the world changes around him he responds accordingly," the writer explained. "One of the things that I think was apparent and needed to be done in the series was to align mythological Thor, hippie Thor, and Jeph's Thor into one seamless kind of character and I'm pretty happy with that. I think we pulled that off. I actually just finished writing the last issue of it this week. So I'm already moving on!" Another prominent character in "Ultimate Thor" is his brother and frequent arch-enemy, the Norse god of Mischief, Loki. Like Thor, Loki too will be in a different place when "Ultimate Thor" begins and readers will see that Loki's future destructive schemes are motivated by something more than just a psychotic need to cause destruction. "When this series starts off, Loki, Thor and Balder are all comrades, brothers in arms and important players in Odin's kingdom," Hickman remarked. "Then bad things happen and - conflict, conflict - Loki and Thor end up who they are in 'The Ultimates.'"
- One of the prominent time periods in "Ultimate Thor" is world war IIhttp://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27382# During the series Hickman will reveal how the Nazi forces helped to incite Ragnarok, the apocalyptic chain of events that ends with the destruction of all the Norse Gods. "I really wanted to use Nazi frost giants [Laughs]," Hickman revealed. "I know it sounds ridiculous, and it's of course more than that, but I thought that was kind of a cool idea."
While both World War II and Thor's childhood are important times in "Ultimate Thor" the series will also explore modern times as well and Hickman's supporting cast also includes many of the Ultimate Universe's superheroes. "In addition to the other gods we've also got moments with all of the Ultimates, and all the European Super Soldier program operatives and agents like Captain Britain and Professor Braddock, who we were featured in 'Ultimates 2,'" the writer revealed. "I've got this big chunk of mythology and they've asked for the origin of Thor. So you go back and pick all this stuff apart to see what's kind of cool and run with it."
 
Loeb is leaving New Ultimates after #5! I gotta say tho. New Ultimates has been pretty decent/good. It's better than Ultimates 3 & Ultimatum, and it's kinda loyal to canon. Yeah it does have a bloody annoyning retcon that was unnecessary and hugely melodramatic, but whatever.

How did you guys enjoy this month's Ultimate Avengers? It's abit annoyning how they're building up the Ghost Rider fight all the time, when its now conclusing next month. >: ( Atleast we get to see Ghost Rider vs. Ghost Rider vs. Avengers! :D
 
Jonathan Hickman & Carlos Pachero's Ultimate Thor prequel starts this October!!!!!!

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LOL, just when I was thinking about dropping books, too. :) Guess I'll have to change my mind about that for this one. :D
 
New Ultimates isn't really bad by any means, but it's still a pretty flawed book. The last issue was okay - to be honest, I wasn't sure we'd ever see any explanation for Valkyrie. Better late than never, I suppose. It was awfully compressed, which was a big change of pace after the first two issues. Though, with the delays, maybe that's good.
 
Well since Corp asked for this discussion to be moved:

I wouldn't call it massive. Not to mention it always climbs up to top 10 whenever Millar relaunches the serie. :p Seems making Avengers 1,2,3,4 instead of just 24 issues works.
Yes it is massive because the Ultimate line used to sell fantastically.

Neither is the Spider-Man, Deadpool or Wolverine brand. What is your point?
The Spider-Man and Wolverine brands are getting rebranded thanks to lowering sales.

And Deadpool has never been huge. He has always had a small, niche audience. A small, niche audience that are total suckers and buy everything with Deadpool. That's why there is a lot of Deadpool, not because there is huge demand for it, but because the small audience buys everything.

Hence the relaunch. All the new comics have been perfectly new friendly material.
That still has a decades worth of continuity attached.

I can agree with this on somelevel. Jeph Loeb's books are bimonthly and could have just been released in OGN format, also i guess you didn't read but apparently DC is canceling the OGN format. They're releasing the 1st OGNs, but then theyre going monthly format. >_>
I thought that they were going to release the OGNs first and then release the same story in monthly format after the OGNs were released.

We'll see what the sales say. I am very excited for both Daken and Wolverine, perhaps even for X-23!

And even as a massive Deadpool fan who buys every Deadpool book, I will also say that just like the Ultimate Marvel line, the Deadpool line needs a revamp. Marvel milked that cow way too dry, way too fas
Deadpool doesn't need a revamp because the character was never big enough to begin with. It's just a small audience that buys everything Deadpool that Marvel takes advantage of. Once the Deadpool fans are tired of being played like suckers, Marvel will probably just end up keeping one Deadpool book plus the occasional mini.

People are loving Ultimate Avengers & Spider-Man. Ultimate X and New Ultimates are actually pretty decent/half-good stuff, but the bi-monthly format is seriously bad for these books.
People are loving it so much that they are at all time lows at sales?

I'm not sure, but what Jeph Loeb said on San Diego, he either said he's leaving New Ultimates, or he is getting a new artist after Frank Cho finishes with #5.
He needs to go away completely. He single handedly killed the line as it is.

Yeah but what lines do? The Doomwar event for example is selling as mediocore as Bendis' Ultimate Enemy/Mystery/Doom event is. Maybe abit better or worse, i can't recall.
Doomwar is a continuation of the poorly selling Black Panther ongoing, that's why it isn't selling well.
 
Yes it is massive because the Ultimate line used to sell fantastically.

And at times brands just drop. 'Tis very common. Bendis & Millar are still having a blast and they believe in Ultimate Marvel. Now with Loeb seemingly leaving New Ultimates, that just might spark even more interest. I've seen people recommending getting Fraction, Gillen and other new hot writers to put their enthusiasm on Ultimate Marvel, not just Bendis and Millar.
The Spider-Man and Wolverine brands are getting rebranded thanks to lowering sales.

And what if the sales still won't help? Shall we just cancel Spidey and Wolverine because they aren't selling fantasticly anymore? Or shall we keep rebranding them over and over?

That still has a decades worth of continuity attached.

Which is unnecessary reading, and the new books are promoted as good starts. Ghost Rider fans *have* been reading Ultimate Avengers 2, withouth even having the need to touch on Ultimate Avengers 1 as an example.

I thought that they were going to release the OGNs first and then release the same story in monthly format after the OGNs were released.

People are loving it so much that they are at all time lows at sales?

Hey again last month was very hot with bunch of #1s coming out and whatnot. The trade sales are still high, and you really need to remember that Ultimate books used to be 2.99 and whatnot, now they're all 3.99. 50K purchases for 3.99 is better than say 50k purchases for 2.99. So reallty you're looking at the rank number here too literally.

He needs to go away completely. He single handedly killed the line as it is.

Well lets just wait and see with the TV series coming up.

Doomwar is a continuation of the poorly selling Black Panther ongoing, that's why it isn't selling well.

But it has Deadpool and other heroes. It's a Marvel universe event that... Well noone seems to care about. :P Shall we reband Black Panther and Doctor Doom now? Because they aren't selling fantasticly anymore?
 
And at times brands just drop. 'Tis very common. Bendis & Millar are still having a blast and they believe in Ultimate Marvel. Now with Loeb seemingly leaving New Ultimates, that just might spark even more interest. I've seen people recommending getting Fraction, Gillen and other new hot writers to put their enthusiasm on Ultimate Marvel, not just Bendis and Millar.
But I really don't see these hot new writers hopping on board for Ultimate Marvel. They want to work on the 616 characters that they grew up with. Take a look at all the Ultimate books popping out, almost all of them are by Bendis, Millar, or Loeb. Why work on Ultimate Iron Man, Ultimate Thor, and Ultimate X-Men when Fraction is working with the real versions of those characters? Gillen is still not a big enough name to be put on an Ultimate book.

The only new writer that seems to be willing to hop onboard is Hickman.

And what if the sales still won't help? Shall we just cancel Spidey and Wolverine because they aren't selling fantasticly anymore? Or shall we keep rebranding them over and over?
Wolverine is going to get another rebranding eventually once his issue total adds up to 300.

As for Spider-Man, what Marvel needs to do is if they're going to release a $3.99 book, they should release it only once a month, not two or three times a month and milk its readers dry of cash. A book that comes out twice or more a month needs to be at $2.99 because most people just cannot afford to keep up otherwise.

Which is unnecessary reading, and the new books are promoted as good starts. Ghost Rider fans *have* been reading Ultimate Avengers 2, withouth even having the need to touch on Ultimate Avengers 1 as an example.
From what I've read of Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man and Ultimate Comics: X, you definitely need to know that events from the previous Ultimate line happened.

Hey again last month was very hot with bunch of #1s coming out and whatnot. The trade sales are still high, and you really need to remember that Ultimate books used to be 2.99 and whatnot, now they're all 3.99. 50K purchases for 3.99 is better than say 50k purchases for 2.99. So reallty you're looking at the rank number here too literally.
But the sales numbers are going down as well. Ultimate Comics: Avengers started at 99K and it is now below 50K with the most recent issue.

Well lets just wait and see with the TV series coming up.
I just want talented Jeph Loeb to come back :csad:

But it has Deadpool and other heroes. It's a Marvel universe event that... Well noone seems to care about. :P Shall we reband Black Panther and Doctor Doom now? Because they aren't selling fantasticly anymore?
So? You have Superman popping up in Blue Beetle and that doesn't boost up sales of that title. You have Deadpool popping up in Moon Knight with the same effect. Just having characters pop up in a book doesn't do anything anymore.

Also, Doomwar is not an event. It is a continuation of the Black Panther book in which Dr. Doom is the villain. And no, you can't rebrand Black Panther, it is time to give the character a rest. Have him pop up in books such as Avengers, Uncanny X-Men, and Fantastic Four, and then give him another shot years down the line with a more competent writer.
 
I absolutely LOVE The Ultimates 1 and 2. Probably my two favorite graphic novels.
 
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