World Ultimate Spider-Man animated series discussion thread

[strugler]

The A:EMH page on Facebook (the one petitioning to renew for a 3rd series) posted someone's blog entry on why this show supposedly sucks and they got some pretty good points.

While the show seems okay with me (great animation mostly) and I still find the jokes shallowly funny, i think a lot can be improved here and they should get on with making it more serious because the Heartbreak part of Peter's life is one of the most characteristic things about Spidey and if it gets any worse the younger kids watching the show may grow up not knowing the real Spidey at all.


Also, what is the deal with Luke Cage and Iron Fist being teenagers?? Nova being a jerk?? WHITE TIGER THE ONLY FEMALE?? I'm sick of kid's shows One-Girl Policy!

Here is a direct link to the article:

http://tinyurl.com/bof72gf

 

[mehrabix]

despite some people who think at leaat the animation is great, i find it to be very average

 

[mehrabix]

This show is a show only in the technical sense. It seems to have no life, no ambition, no respect for its audience or the source material, and no self respect that even some of it's decent bits can stand alone without attempting to over and triple compensate for them. Everything is a gimmick atop a gag atop a pun atop a reference atop a fad. Every instant seems to have been approved by a dozen contrasting focus groups of howler monkeys and mental patients. It is a box wrapped with 27 different types of wrapping paper and scotch tape in awkward places which has nothing at the center for a reward. Yet none of this surprises or disgusts me anymore; I know what I am getting and my expectations are thus that at BEST, an episode may attain mediocrity. I genuinely feel sorry for all the talented people whose time is wasted producing this, much less those of us wasting our time watching it. There is no point to comparing it with "TSSM" - after this episode, comparing it with "SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED" (the last Spidey show with a crappy version of Venom) is far easier. I made it through 12 episodes of that show; I don't think my nerd stamina can take as much of thus. If Marvel Animation seriously believes Jeph Loeb will be their Bruce Timm, then hope seems futile.

I am mighty glad that you are on our side! (i.e. you don’t care about this show either!) Because your opinion and what you write has always been like a holy Bible to me and to so many others here. You are like a god in this forum. A knowledgeable person for whom I have a lot respect

 

[spider-neil]

try to put your mind in your 10 year self. if you saw this cartoon as a 10 year old, would you enjoy it? I think I would definately enjoy this show more if I were younger.

 

[strugler]

If there is one thing this show is doing is uniting the fans against it.

I remember when spectacular spidey first started the boards were divided, some loved it, some hated it. As more episodes rolled in, and pretty much by the 3rd to 4th episode, almost everyone loved the show.

However Ultimate spidey is doing the opposite. When the first episode aired people were okay with it, as more episodes rolled in, more and more fans are hating it. Now it is like 75% hate this show while 25% like it, and this is just the 4th episode, while on episode 2 it was more like 50/50. I predict by episode 12 the hate rate will reach 95% or above.

I don't see this show staying on air for long and if the insiders rumors i'm hearing are true, let's just say there is a reason why DisneyXD has not posted ratings results for the show, especially after the second episode. I will post a blog post about what the rumors i'm hearing are, maybe today, and will put a link up.

 

[spider-neil]

also you guys can knock loeb for ultimate spider-man but avengers is easily (EASILY!) in the top 5 animated series I've ever seen in my life and I think I've seen every iteration of animated comics tv shows.

 

[spider-neil]

If there is one thing this show is doing is uniting the fans against it.

I remember when spectacular spidey first started the boards were divided, some loved it, some hated it. As more episodes rolled in, and pretty much by the 3rd to 4th episode, almost everyone loved the show.

However Ultimate spidey is doing the opposite. When the first episode aired people were okay with it, as more episodes rolled in, more and more fans are hating it. Now it is like 75% hate this show while 25% like it, and this is just the 4th episode, while on episode 2 it was more like 50/50. I predict by episode 12 the hate rate will reach 95% or above.

I don't see this show staying on air for long and if the insiders rumors i'm hearing are true, let's just say there is a reason why DisneyXD has not posted ratings results for the show, especially after the second episode. I will post a blog post about what the rumors i'm hearing are, maybe today, and will put a link up.

nothing would please me more than this series getting canned and the spectacular spider-man animation crew getting back together for season 3.

 

[strugler]

try to put your mind in your 10 year self. if you saw this cartoon as a 10 year old, would you enjoy it? I think I would definately enjoy this show more if I were younger.

No sir, i know an 8 year old family member who told me he does not like this show because spider-man is drunk

This 8th year old cant stand the constant 4th wall jokes and juvenille humor, so he thinks that spider-man is drunk thats is why he stops mid fight to talk to us and turn into the chibi version of himself.

Im writing a long e-mail to Joe Quesada, anyone wants to join me and working on a professional letter to express how we feel about this show ?

 

[strugler]

also you guys can knock loeb for ultimate spider-man but avengers is easily (EASILY!) in the top 5 animated series I've ever seen in my life and I think I've seen every iteration of animated comics tv shows.

Sorry to disappoint you but Mr Loeb and MArvel have cancelled Avengers EMH. There will be no Season 3. Mr Loeb is working on a new Avengers series that takes place in the same universe as ultimate spider-man. The new series will consist of only stand alone episodes no ongoing arcs. There will not make an announcement until this fall, and the new series will debut on Fall 2013.

So enjoy the 2nd season of Avengers EMH as it is the last.

I hate Loeb!!!

 

[Nathan]

Magneto-lite, stay away please

Hey, until that moment, he was a very badass and capable character.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Sorry to disappoint you but Mr Loeb and MArvel have cancelled Avengers EMH. There will be no Season 3. Mr Loeb is working on a new Avengers series that takes place in the same universe as ultimate spider-man. The new series will consist of only stand alone episodes no ongoing arcs. There will not make an announcement until this fall, and the new series will debut on Fall 2013.

So enjoy the 2nd season of Avengers EMH as it is the last.

I hate Loeb!!!

 

[IronGirl299]

Sorry to disappoint you but Mr Loeb and MArvel have cancelled Avengers EMH. There will be no Season 3. Mr Loeb is working on a new Avengers series that takes place in the same universe as ultimate spider-man. The new series will consist of only stand alone episodes no ongoing arcs. There will not make an announcement until this fall, and the new series will debut on Fall 2013.

So enjoy the 2nd season of Avengers EMH as it is the last.

I hate Loeb!!!

****!!
This is where I throw Mjolnir at Loeb and repulsor-blast myself in the head.

 

[Sebastos]

can you guys PLEASE show gifs/animated gif for future episodes not yet aired in spoiler tags. cheers!

Sure, sorry about that.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

Sorry to disappoint you but Mr Loeb and MArvel have cancelled Avengers EMH. There will be no Season 3. Mr Loeb is working on a new Avengers series that takes place in the same universe as ultimate spider-man. The new series will consist of only stand alone episodes no ongoing arcs. There will not make an announcement until this fall, and the new series will debut on Fall 2013.

So enjoy the 2nd season of Avengers EMH as it is the last.

I hate Loeb!!!

I don't watch A:EMH, but from what I hear is that it's pretty good. I'm surprised that it's getting cancelled after only 2 seasons. I would think it would go for at least another 2 or 3 more seasons. And if this is true, then wow. They're going to cancel a show that people enjoy just to create a new Avenger series for the sake of connecting the universe with "Ultimate Spider-Man"?

 

[spider-neil]

Sorry to disappoint you but Mr Loeb and MArvel have cancelled Avengers EMH. There will be no Season 3. Mr Loeb is working on a new Avengers series that takes place in the same universe as ultimate spider-man. The new series will consist of only stand alone episodes no ongoing arcs. There will not make an announcement until this fall, and the new series will debut on Fall 2013.

So enjoy the 2nd season of Avengers EMH as it is the last.

I hate Loeb!!!

is this a joke?

 

[macattack]

is this a joke?

He's being sensationalist and ridiculously over-the-top but he is right about EMH being done. In a recent interview with ToonZone Loeb all but said that EMH is done and so is Iron Man: Armored Adventures.

The part about Loeb wanting the new Avengers show to tie into USM and be based more on the theatrical film lineup is taken from the Marvel Russia guy who sometimes posts around here (Real Iron Man, I think?).

 

[strugler]

The part about Loeb wanting the new Avengers show to tie into USM and be based more on the theatrical film lineup is taken from the Marvel Russia guy who sometimes posts around here (Real Iron Man, I think?).

All i can say is my sources are not the same as the marvel russia guy, but the info looks to be the same.

 

[Webzpinner]

Looks cool. Why does Taskmaster's first animated appearance have to be here!?

Oh, and my review of episode 4:

The 4th episode of "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN", called "VENOM", literally features a monster which arose from a toilet which nobody wants to go near. I cannot think of a better metaphor for this show if I tried.

Spoiler

As the one-the-nose title suggests, this episode introduces Venom to the audience and the show's dynamic. Let the record show that this is the first actual Spider-Man villain to be showcased on this show, and we're almost a 6th of the way through the first season. Spider-Man begins the episode riding his Spider-Cycle through the subway system trying to flee a tentacled robot which has attacked him off screen. It apparently seeks to gain a blood sample from him, and destroy him if possible. Spidey manages to destroy the thing, but not before it accomplishes it's objective and he gets a tear in his costume in a very uncomfortable place. The robot was naturally sent by Dr. Octavius, who has been tasked by Norman Osborn with obtaining a sample of Spider-Man's blood to mass produce to create a race of super-soldiers. By extracting all of the aggressive qualities of Spidey's DNA, Otto creates a "venom", which is a symbiotic ooze monster which jumps from host to host, ultimately seeking Parker himself. Meanwhile, Harry Osborn feels threatened and jealous now that Peter has other "friends" at Midtown High - his four SHIELD teammates in their civilian forms - and vents by turning what was supposed to be a movie marathon at his father's penthouse into a school-roster busting party. Promptly, the "Venom" monster oozes from a toilet (and "its" first line of dialogue is "NNEEERRRDDDD!", as if it were Ogre from "REVENGE OF THE NERDS", but even THAT is generous) and starts jumping from host to host, leading to a climatic final battle on the penthouse roof.

To a degree reviews about this show are starting to bore me about as much as the show itself, because the same flaws remain in the narrative structure. The show seems to be produced and written by people who have a low regard for the attention span of their audience. No moment - whether terrible, stupid, serious or genuinely funny - is allowed to speak for itself without something louder and more over the top heaped upon it. We can't just get a moment where Spidey uses his science knowledge in the battle; he needs to stop in the middle and make a lame joke to the camera as if to remain "in character". We learn that despite the serial format, the characters don't seem to learn from week to week; Nova is still the same idiot he was in "DOOMED". Tom Kenny's Doc Ock has some mildly amusing lines, but it doesn't help that the Osborn he is working for is a fairly bland and generic mastermind villain - he makes me yearn for the Shredder from TV animation circa 1988. The gimmick of Venom possessing different characters becomes obvious and worn through very quickly - and while it is possible to make lame jokes about a monster that is also supposed to be seen as a serious threat, this show is too crude and incompetent to pull that off.

In fairness to the show's creators, the version of Venom as depicted is closer to his incarnation from the ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN comics crafted by Brian Bendis, so things such as being an alien were never supposed to be there by design. The problem is without building up an Eddie Brock character, all Venom becomes is what some critics have long berated him for being - a generic opposite number monster that doesn't know when it has worn out its welcome. In USM, the "symbiote" was an attempt to make living armor which could cure illnesses gone horribly wrong, but this version even makes that look inspired. The monster is simply a gimmick; even the metaphor of it representing Spider-Man's dark side (which the third film utilized) is done in a cheap and nearly non-existent way. It may be surprising that Venom is depicted as merely a gimmick who exists as the source of combat or jokes, but most of the characters in the cast exist for this purpose. I have long heard Venom as a character criticized because Eddie Brock wasn't originally a long term character and how he needs to be "fixed", but every time some new incarnation seeks to "fix" him merely makes Venom more crude and simplistic. The very notion of Spider-Man driving a hi tech motorcycle in high school and having SHIELD weaponry seems to strip away some of the appeal of the character.

Highlights? As usual, I like that Spidey's design has a hint of John Romita Sr. involved in the mask. Iron Fist has a few decent moments, and the show gets slightly less annoying when the other heroes are on screen as opposed to Peter and his high school cast. This is perhaps the first show where I agree with J.J. about how much of a reckless menace Spider-Man is.

This show is a show only in the technical sense. It seems to have no life, no ambition, no respect for its audience or the source material, and no self respect that even some of it's decent bits can stand alone without attempting to over and triple compensate for them. Everything is a gimmick atop a gag atop a pun atop a reference atop a fad. Every instant seems to have been approved by a dozen contrasting focus groups of howler monkeys and mental patients. It is a box wrapped with 27 different types of wrapping paper and scotch tape in awkward places which has nothing at the center for a reward. Yet none of this surprises or disgusts me anymore; I know what I am getting and my expectations are thus that at BEST, an episode may attain mediocrity. I genuinely feel sorry for all the talented people whose time is wasted producing this, much less those of us wasting our time watching it. There is no point to comparing it with "TSSM" - after this episode, comparing it with "SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED" (the last Spidey show with a crappy version of Venom) is far easier. I made it through 12 episodes of that show; I don't think my nerd stamina can take as much of thus. If Marvel Animation seriously believes Jeph Loeb will be their Bruce Timm, then hope seems futile.

I LOVE the fact there is no Eddie Brock. As a fan of Venom since 1988, I can honestly say the Eddie Brock part of Venom is weak and lame. His hatred rationale is utter crap. He had no one to blame but himself. He's a horrible character, as villains go. They should have kept with the original idea: having the suit jump from villain to villain (kind of an evil version of the Captain Universe power) and go after Spidey. That's sort of what they did with this episode, which I thought was great. Venom also wasn't as creepy as he's been in previous Spider-Man cartoons, so younger viewers won't have nightmares (my son was quite freaked out when Venom grew a mouth in his abdomen in SSM).

try to put your mind in your 10 year self. if you saw this cartoon as a 10 year old, would you enjoy it? I think I would definately enjoy this show more if I were younger.

My 7 year old loves it. It's fun, fast, and full of action. That's what KIDS want. And KIDS are the target audience, not nerds in forums.

No sir, i know an 8 year old family member who told me he does not like this show because spider-man is drunk

This 8th year old cant stand the constant 4th wall jokes and juvenille humor, so he thinks that spider-man is drunk thats is why he stops mid fight to talk to us and turn into the chibi version of himself.

Im writing a long e-mail to Joe Quesada, anyone wants to join me and working on a professional letter to express how we feel about this show ?

An 8yr old that specifically states he dislikes "4th wall jokes and Juvenile humor"? And he says Spider-Man acts "drunk" WTF? Poor child had his innocence stolen, if he knows how drunk people act, and can't appreciate a kids show. That kid doesn't need a dark and moody Spider-Man, he needs a therapist.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Sorry to disappoint you but Mr Loeb and MArvel have cancelled Avengers EMH. There will be no Season 3. Mr Loeb is working on a new Avengers series that takes place in the same universe as ultimate spider-man. The new series will consist of only stand alone episodes no ongoing arcs. There will not make an announcement until this fall, and the new series will debut on Fall 2013.

So enjoy the 2nd season of Avengers EMH as it is the last.

I hate Loeb!!!

Not that it's far from believable, but providing a source to back what you say is better

 

[SpaceWay2009]

I LOVE the fact there is no Eddie Brock. As a fan of Venom since 1988, I can honestly say the Eddie Brock part of Venom is weak and lame. His hatred rationale is utter crap. He had no one to blame but himself. He's a horrible character, as villains go. They should have kept with the original idea: having the suit jump from villain to villain (kind of an evil version of the Captain Universe power) and go after Spidey. That's sort of what they did with this episode, which I thought was great. Venom also wasn't as creepy as he's been in previous Spider-Man cartoons, so younger viewers won't have nightmares (my son was quite freaked out when Venom grew a mouth in his abdomen in SSM).


My 7 year old loves it. It's fun, fast, and full of action. That's what KIDS want. And KIDS are the target audience, not nerds in forums.


An 8yr old that specifically states he dislikes "4th wall jokes and Juvenile humor"? And he says Spider-Man acts "drunk" WTF? Poor child had his innocence stolen, if he knows how drunk people act, and can't appreciate a kids show. That kid doesn't need a dark and moody Spider-Man, he needs a therapist.

Really?!

 

[MarvelKnight]

I don't watch A:EMH, but from what I hear is that it's pretty good. I'm surprised that it's getting cancelled after only 2 seasons. I would think it would go for at least another 2 or 3 more seasons. And if this is true, then wow. They're going to cancel a show that people enjoy just to create a new Avenger series for the sake of connecting the universe with "Ultimate Spider-Man"?

You should watch it. The animation may be slightly less than USM but it'sa show that is actually compelling, great stories and action. watch it. I'm sure you can find all of season 1 online by now.

The animation department at marvel have no clue what they're doing.

 

[Webzpinner]

Really?!

He was 5 when Spectacular Spiderman first came out... He loved the Venom Saga of the 90's cartoon, and saw SM3 in theaters, but for some reason, SSM's Venom with the torso mouth gave him a jolt the first time he saw it... I must admit, I was weirded out by it, just from a "WTF?" standpoint... he's VENOM not Satan in Dante's Divine Comedy!

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Truly this was darker, moodier, and more depressing than Schindler's List.

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[SoNicRaDiATioN]

My 7 year old loves it. It's fun, fast, and full of action. That's what KIDS want. And KIDS are the target audience, not nerds in forums..

That's quite a strategy from Marvel/Disney. Polarise the fanbase right on the heels of SSM. The divide and conquer approach no doubt.

I won't be watching this anymore. I'm glad some people like it, but it's not for me (I'm not 7).

I wonder who the target audience was for SSM?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Truly this was darker, moodier, and more depressing than Schindler's List.

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When was the last time for you to post a video here? Style changed a lot it seems
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I wanted to watch this show again, but after seeing a clip I lost interest
Watching Spider-Man Unlimited now, but I do favor the superior "Spectacular" by far

Stupid mood