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The Dark Knight * UPDATE - Academy Will Consider TDK Score

I think the Oscar means nothing -most of the time-, giving awards to people/movies that don't deserve then.. constantly losing some credibility. But they're still the Oscars.. I bet it's kinda nice to get one if you're in the business
 
why are people bashing the academy and at the same time they want tht TDK is nomonated?

Exactly. Besides, I don't get all this blind hatred for the Academy. Most of the time, their nomination picks are pretty good and occasionally they also get the winner right.
 
define most of the time :oldrazz: oh you mean rarely? just kidding, just kidding..
 
Agreed. Hey, let's give The Golden Compass the best visual effects award over Transformers.

Fools.

Uh, TGC actually deserved the award. Unlike the cartoony CGI for Transformers, a rare misstep for ILM.

To be honest, I'm relieved the score isn't eligible for Oscar nomination. As great as TDK is and how well the score works in the film, it's hardly original, suffers from temp-track syndrome and there are far better scores out there that merit consideration.

I'm serious. Anyone who doubts the temp-track syndrome should watch Batman Begins again and listen to the music when Bruce duels Ra's al-Ghul in the League of Shadows building, and the film's climax and compare it to "I'm Not a Hero" from TDK soundtrack.

And anyway, TDK will likely be nominated for Best Picture and Best Supporting Actor (and maybe Best Cinematography), so aren't those nominations the ones that really count?
 
^ Throw in Best Director too.
 
Uh, TGC actually deserved the award. Unlike the cartoony CGI for Transformers, a rare misstep for ILM.
Not Transformers, but ILM deserved it for effin' DAVY JONES. And I don't care if they won the year before for the same thing - Davy Jones was that amazing. :hehe:

Anyways, my point is the CG polar bears sucked.

I'm serious. Anyone who doubts the temp-track syndrome should watch Batman Begins again and listen to the music when Bruce duels Ra's al-Ghul in the League of Shadows building, and the film's climax and compare it to "I'm Not a Hero" from TDK soundtrack.
In the sound presentation, they played a bit of the BB temp track for the Reese/hospital evac scene and it was fairly close to the real thing.
 
for those who think tdk was sub par in the score department and didn't deserve to be nominated.... name something that is. this is not a slam, really, i want to go get these potential winners so i can listen to them. i heard memoirs of a geisha by john williams that won over hans' davinci code. still can't figure it out. as an inspiring composer myself, i wanna know what's catchy and what's ground breaking.

ground breaking.... as in tdk being ripped on by non lovers of the score. ;)
 
Atonement's score was a total winner. They nailed that. Though I was disappointed that was the only award won for the film.
 
Exactly. Besides, I don't get all this blind hatred for the Academy. Most of the time, their nomination picks are pretty good and occasionally they also get the winner right.

Yeah, it's not like they nominated "Bratz" last year :huh:

It's fine if TDK does not win all awards, people.
 
why are people bashing the academy and at the same time they want tht TDK is nomonated?
if you think that the oscars are crazy then it makes no sense to care if TDK gets nominated and if it gets oscars.

I don't give two craps in a row that TDK (or any other movie I like) is nominated or not to this razzle-dazzly vacuous award.




Exactly. Besides, I don't get all this blind hatred for the Academy. Most of the time, their nomination picks are pretty good and occasionally they also get the winner right.

And then again they ignore true genius of filmmaking and give the statue to Ron Howard. My despise for this award is anything but blind.
 
And then again they ignore true genius of filmmaking and give the statue to Ron Howard. My despise for this award is anything but blind.

WTF, the academy gave Ron Howard an Oscar for something?DAMN?!
 
Is this really surprising? The Academy does not nominate movies with multiple composers and I did not realize there was more support work done on the sheet score than by just Zimmer and Howard that was already enough to disqualify it.

Then you take in that at least a third of the score is the exact same music from Batman Begins and 3/4 of the music was written in some form before for the first movie...it was never going to happen.
 
WTF, the academy gave Ron Howard an Oscar for something?DAMN?!

yeah. A Beautiful Mind was brilliant. Give it a watch. Also, remember he shot that movie IN SEQUENCE. He was also nominated for the excellent Apollo 13. Branch out.

Anyway The Dark Knight will likely get nominated for:

1. Best Picture
2. Best Director
3. Best Adapted Screenplay
4. Best Supporting Actor
5. Best Cinematography
6. Best Editing
7. Best Technical Effects

And it probably stands a chance for sound mixing as well, but I don't know how they judge that award, so I won't list it.

This movie will do well for nominations, I'm guessing.
 
yeah. A Beautiful Mind was brilliant. Give it a watch. Also, remember he shot that movie IN SEQUENCE. He was also nominated for the excellent Apollo 13. Branch out.

Anyway The Dark Knight will likely get nominated for:

1. Best Picture
2. Best Director
3. Best Adapted Screenplay
4. Best Supporting Actor
5. Best Cinematography
6. Best Editing
7. Best Technical Effects

And it probably stands a chance for sound mixing as well, but I don't know how they judge that award, so I won't list it.

This movie will do well for nominations, I'm guessing.

Yeah i've watched "A beatifull mind", but didn't know it was Ron Howard's.
I guess every director can make ****ty movies cough Grinch cough...
Anyway, TDK nominations will probably be these:
1. Best Picture - should win
2. Best Director - must win
3. Best Supporting Actor - will win
4. Best Cinematography - must win
5. Best Technical Effects - maybe should win
 
i remember hans zimmer got robbed for not winning best score for gladiator, i thought gladiator had one of the best all time music score ever!!!!
 
the academy hates hans anyway, ever since he won for lion king. like they had disdain for him and his barbarian horde ever since. him or anybody from his team has won since.
 
No they don't. Zimmer hardly every submits his scores for Oscar consideration since winning for The Lion King (which is a GREAT score).

If TDK deserves technical nominations, it should at least snag the "Best Editing" and "Best Sound" technical awards. I mean, Lee Smith does deserve a lion's share of the credit for picking the best takes and shaping the actors' performances, that sort of thing. Editors are so underappreciated these days. And Richard King's sound design was excellent, not as subtle as his work on "Master and Commander" (which Smith also edited), but really well-done.
 
for those who think tdk was sub par in the score department and didn't deserve to be nominated.... name something that is. this is not a slam, really, i want to go get these potential winners so i can listen to them. i heard memoirs of a geisha by john williams that won over hans' davinci code. still can't figure it out. as an inspiring composer myself, i wanna know what's catchy and what's ground breaking.

Zimmer is hardly a ground-breaking composer, but he does compose some catchy tunes. (Although I think his work for The Ring was inspired, considering for the first film he only used a half-dozen instruments for playing the score.)

John Williams and a good deal of other composers are ground-breaking. As Zimmer would say, "Williams is in a league of his own" (or something to that effect). Although Williams' score for Geisha was very effective and for the most part, didn't sound like a typical Williams score.
 
true. and i didn't finish my type in that quote. i didn't say Hans was ground breaking although using a street drummer in the first track of green card was something i've never heard before, nor have i ever heard him do a horror score, pretty ground-breaking to me. but no, i meant that, or catchy, which he is, true romance, backdraft, pacific heights, days of thunder, i literally could go on. but to say he rarely submits scores? i only heard of pirates awe. during the time when the academy had 2 categories for score; dramatic and comedy/musical, he had two submissions, one of which was prince of egypt. he lost both that year too. nope he has submitted in the past all his scores, with many not even nominated. (the ring) and many only nominated with no win. (prince, black hawk down)
 
Are you high? TDK has locked nominations for:

Best Director
Best Cinematography
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Supporting Actor (Ledger will win)
Best Picture
Best sound mixing
Best editing

This is the buzz around hollywood. I work in LA, and there is talk of TDK almost everyday. The story that Variety just printed about the score being eliminated is an indication of how much attention this film is getting. If some score from a movie was disqualified, do you think they would write a story about it and put it in Variety? -NO. This is the film that is getting all the Oscar buzz. And i'm the guy who complains about things in TDK all the time.

This is just what i'm hearing. You can find it on the net. Go to incontention.com TDK is the cream of the crop right now in the Academies eyes.

And Ledger will win. No doubt. And I think Nolan will win as well. TDK is a lock for best picture as well. Copy and paste my comments. Come Oscar time, you guys will see. TDK wil clean up.

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yeah, i'll be waiting too
 
Zimmer is hardly a ground-breaking composer, but he does compose some catchy tunes. (Although I think his work for The Ring was inspired, considering for the first film he only used a half-dozen instruments for playing the score.)

John Williams and a good deal of other composers are ground-breaking. As Zimmer would say, "Williams is in a league of his own" (or something to that effect). Although Williams' score for Geisha was very effective and for the most part, didn't sound like a typical Williams score.

Very much so. I really enjoyed TDK score, but most of Zimmer's work is derivative, uninspired and aided by dozens on ghost writers (not just music editors). Even when these ghost writers end up writing scores of their own (like Klaus Baldet or Steve Jablonsky), they end up sounding like Zimmer anyway. He does not necessarely represent the peak of artistic achievement in film scoring. That said, I do think he has written some very good scores (like TDK) but he is nowhere near the musical talent of Elliot Goldenthal and most of all John Williams. You don't have to be musically educated to hear how much more sophisticated and daring JW's music really is, although he only gets conoted with big brassy themes and adventure scoring. He is as versatile as they come.
 
i only heard of pirates awe. during the time when the academy had 2 categories for score; dramatic and comedy/musical, he had two submissions, one of which was prince of egypt. he lost both that year too. nope he has submitted in the past all his scores, with many not even nominated. (the ring) and many only nominated with no win. (prince, black hawk down)
The Oscars only had one category for score. I think you're thinking of the Golden Globes.
 
No, byte is right. The Oscars, between 1995 and 1998 had two different score categories (dramatic and comedy/musical). Some say this was to ease the domination of Disney's scores as best score winners between 1989 and 1996 (during which no less than 5 Disney scores won the award - 4 for Alan Menken, and 1 for Zimmer). Once this reign was over and Disney stopped producing this sort of animated filmes (at least so sucessfully as before), the two categories were merged in just one. It was a rather short lived category.
 
No, byte is right. The Oscars, between 1995 and 1998 had two different score categories (dramatic and comedy/musical). Some say this was to ease the domination of Disney's scores as best score winners between 1989 and 1996 (during which no less than 5 Disney scores won the award - 4 for Alan Menken, and 1 for Zimmer). Once this reign was over and Disney stopped producing this sort of animated filmes (at least so sucessfully as before), the two categories were merged in just one. It was a rather short lived category.
Oh, no wonder why I missed it. 3 years is a very short-lived category indeed. :funny:

And Alan Menken stole a few of Jerry Goldsmith's Oscars! :cmad: It's very difficult writing good songs so he deserves all of the Best Song Oscars he got, but score? Pffffft.
 

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