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Using the Bible to Resist Climate Action: A Supercut

Making laws based around a christian text or any religious text for that matter however should be stopped. This is a country of many faiths and beliefs. The bible doesnt speak for everyone so to make laws that jepordize the future of this country, planet, and the inhabitants because a 2,000 year old text says global warming isnt possible should be against the law. Laws areeant to work for the whole and represent the whole. The christian right want to make laws based only around their way of thinking for christians like them. They think that everyone else should get on board or just deal with it. The founding fathers didn't envision this country supressing people and fact under the boothill of the bible. They were trying to get away from that type of one way thinking.
 
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I think you're misunderstanding that particular phrase. The Constitution is pretty clear:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

What you are proposing is not a separation of church and state (a phrase which is never mentioned in the Constitution, btw), but an idea that goes against the very Amendment you're citing, because there is NO way to separate every politicians personal beliefs (religious or otherwise) from their actions.

Making laws based around a christian text or any religious text for that matter however should be stopped. This is a country of many faiths and beliefs. The bible doesnt speak for everyone so to make laws that jepordize the future of this country, planet, and the inhabitants because a 2,000 year old text says global warming isnt possible should be against the law. Laws areeant to work for the whole and represent the whole. The christian right want to make laws based only around their way of thinking for christians like them. They think that everyone else should get on board or just deal with it. The founding fathers didn't envision this country supressing people and fact under the boothill of the bible. They were trying to get away from that type of one way thinking.

This was essentially what I meant. I just chose a poorer way of putting it.
 
Honestly, I fear the day any of these idiots become president more than I fear any dictator in North Korea or wherever

Because someone with bad scientific understanding is worse than dictators who commit public mass murder? Get a grip.
 
No because an idiot can bring down an empire, as we've seen time and time again.

E.g. Bush did more to harm America than any of his enemies.
 
Seconded. Its like other Christians who try to tell me dinosaurs didn't exist.
Only a fool would believe dinosaurs aren't real, but I don't accept the "millions of years" crap. Here's a great 51-minute presentation on how they line up with Scripture...

 
Making laws based around a christian text or any religious text for that matter however should be stopped. This is a country of many faiths and beliefs. The bible doesnt speak for everyone so to make laws that jepordize the future of this country, planet, and the inhabitants because a 2,000 year old text says global warming isnt possible should be against the law. Laws areeant to work for the whole and represent the whole. The christian right want to make laws based only around their way of thinking for christians like them. They think that everyone else should get on board or just deal with it. The founding fathers didn't envision this country supressing people and fact under the boothill of the bible. They were trying to get away from that type of one way thinking.
The problem with this line of thinking is three fold: first, it is human nature to want the society in which you live to be acceptable based on your own views, especially when said views are considered very important to you. This phenomenon really has nothing to do with Christianity, or religion in general as people from all backgrounds and cultures want law to reflect their moral and philosophical view points. You're claiming religious beliefs should not be considered when making laws (which I don't necessarily disagree with) because it's exclusive, but your stated desire for an absolute denial of any and all religious influence is JUST AS exclusive, not to mention impossible to categorize/enforce since people can (and quite often do) share moral concepts found in religious text without being religious themselves.

Secondly, I'm (genuinely) interested to understand how you think this country's government is being overrun by laws based on religious text so much that it needs to be stopped, when the truth is that America is becoming an increasingly secular society, with laws illustrating this. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is laws against gay marriage, which states are increasingly overturning. Abortion laws are just as much influenced by secular moral viewpoints as they are religious ones, so I personally don't count that. Granted its late and I'm tired, but I'm at a loss as to what else you could mean, unless of course you're counting Christian concepts that happen to be universal (ie: laws against murder, theft, etc).

Finally, it's a gross misunderstanding that the Bible claims (and most Christians believe) that the earth cannot be negatively affected by our actions. Most charities and countless environmental organizations are founded by Christians. The reason? Because that 2,000 year old book says that the earth is a gift that humans must take care of, and there are several passages that specifically talk about man's actions hurting the environment as well as god's displeasure with man's irresponsibility towards the environment. Yes, sadly there are "religious" people who don't understand that, but they are the minority. Politicians always work for the lowest common denominator and use this misinformation to get these few fools riled up. These politicians do this to cover up their own intentions for fighting environmental regulations (ie: money, simple partisanship, etc). It's sad and incredibly infuriating to see it happen and even more so to see people look at this idiots and group all religious people under this banner. The truth is, religion is not the problem. Religion at its most basic is a collection of moral concepts that urges people to live with integrity, compassion and selflessness. But being founded and practiced by people, it is not protected from the inherent flaws of human nature, just like everything else in life. And like everything else in life, it's the loud few that ruin it for everyone. All this is to say that it is factually incorrect to say that the BIBLE states and CHRISTIANS don't believe humans can negatively affect the environment; it's just desperate politicians using the ignorance of a select few. And honestly, I would lay money down on the fact that the majority of people who cite religion for denying global warming are lying; they're just claiming "religious beliefs!" To cover their own lack of scientific understanding and economic/political bias.
 
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The problem with this line of thinking is three fold: first, it is human nature to want the society in which you live to be acceptable based on your own views, especially when said views are considered very important to you. This phenomenon really has nothing to do with Christianity, or religion in general as people from all backgrounds and cultures want law to reflect their moral and philosophical view points. You're claiming religious beliefs should not be considered when making laws (which I don't necessarily disagree with) because it's exclusive, but your stated desire for an absolute denial of any and all religious influence is JUST AS exclusive, not to mention impossible to categorize/enforce since people can (and quite often do) share moral concepts found in religious text without being religious themselves.

Secondly, I'm (genuinely) interested to understand how you think this country's government is being overrun by laws based on religious text so much that it needs to be stopped, when the truth is that America is becoming an increasingly secular society, with laws illustrating this. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is laws against gay marriage, which states are increasingly overturning. Abortion laws are just as much influenced by secular moral viewpoints as they are religious ones, so I personally don't count that. Granted its late and I'm tired, but I'm at a loss as to what else you could mean, unless of course you're counting Christian concepts that happen to be universal (ie: laws against murder, theft, etc).

Finally, it's a gross misunderstanding that the Bible claims (and most Christians believe) that the earth cannot be negatively affected by our actions. Most charities and countless environmental organizations are founded by Christians. The reason? Because that 2,000 year old book says that the earth is a gift that humans must take care of, and there are several passages that specifically talk about man's actions hurting the environment as well as god's displeasure with man's irresponsibility towards the environment. Yes, sadly there are "religious" people who don't understand that, but they are the minority. Politicians always work for the lowest common denominator and use this misinformation to get these few fools riled up. These politicians do this to cover up their own intentions for fighting environmental regulations (ie: money, simple partisanship, etc). It's sad and incredibly infuriating to see it happen and even more so to see people look at this idiots and group all religious people under this banner. The truth is, religion is not the problem. Religion at its most basic is a collection of moral concepts that urges people to live with integrity, compassion and selflessness. But being founded and practiced by people, it is not protected from the inherent flaws of human nature, just like everything else in life. And like everything else in life, it's the loud few that ruin it for everyone. All this is to say that it is factually incorrect to say that the BIBLE states and CHRISTIANS don't believe humans can negatively affect the environment; it's just desperate politicians using the ignorance of a select few. And honestly, I would lay money down on the fact that the majority of people who cite religion for denying global warming are lying; they're just claiming "religious beliefs!" To cover their own lack of scientific understanding and economic/political bias.

You're putting way too much thought into what I wrote. I'm talking about things that should be discouraged not necessarily things that are currently going on. I never said the country was being overrun by religious laws either.

And yes I know quite well what the bibles says. Eighteen years of church and 11 years of scripture and religious studies in school. I never said the bible states that the earth can't be effected by man. The problem is many Christians don't read the dang book. Oh they cherry pick and they know their denomination's doctrines and beliefs but they don't venture outside of that. That's why you get "christians" quoting verses about dominion and thinking that means we can do whatever we want. Thats like a kid hearing the parents say "We're goin out of town. You're in charge of the house." And thinking "well, **** I can do whatever i want." And like a kid they don't think about the consequences.

The Lord helps those who help themselves. We have a brain and the ability to use it. Use it. Think. Reason. Consider consequences. Open a damn science book. Be a responsible human being. Don't hide stupidity and irresponsiblity behind the bible. That's all I'm asking from these people.
 
Making laws based around a christian text or any religious text for that matter however should be stopped. This is a country of many faiths and beliefs. The bible doesnt speak for everyone so to make laws that jepordize the future of this country, planet, and the inhabitants because a 2,000 year old text says global warming isnt possible should be against the law. Laws areeant to work for the whole and represent the whole. The christian right want to make laws based only around their way of thinking for christians like them. They think that everyone else should get on board or just deal with it. The founding fathers didn't envision this country supressing people and fact under the boothill of the bible. They were trying to get away from that type of one way thinking.


But is it JUST Christians? I don't think so. I'm not huge on politics, but it seems to me that the Christians want to form the country around their way of thinking and the liberal side want to form the country around their way of thinking. Doesn't seem like much of a difference to me. The liberal side doesn't want anyone practicing a religion in public, while Christians want to, but don't want other religions practiced in public. Which is the same thing.

Everybody wants it their way and wants everyone else to go along with them.

As for the global warming thing...that's just silly. The bible doesn't even talk about it. Obviously these are people who are just taking the bible and using it to push an agenda. I doubt they even believe a word that's in the bible.
 
No one ever talks about the other side of climate change/global warming....

Killing Americans, Canadians, Russians, Swedes, Icelanders, Norwegians, Greenlanders, by cooling the earth and letting another ice age covering 1/3 of the globe in ice. We know ice ages have happened before so why are we so quick to think slowing down warming is a good thing? Then what...a global warming initiative to prevent global cooling?

Humans are so arrogant to think we know everything and the outcome over billions, thousands, and tens of years. Look how fast major earthquakes, typhoons, tsunamis, etc. can change coastlines and environments. The more we think we know, the more we simply don't know.
 
By and large, I'd say that's a mischaracterization.

So is saying that generally all Christians want to shove their beliefs down your throat. :)


The point is...trying to push/guide people into your way of thinking isn't a new thing. It's something we as human beings have always done. IT's how those with power keep their power.
 
Here are some great before and after picks showing climate change:

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Muir Glacier in Alaska, shot in August, 1941 and August, 2004

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Northwestern Glacier, Alaska, August 1940—August 2005

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Pedersen Glacier, Alaska, Summer 1917, Summer 2005

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McCarty Glacier, Alaska, July 1909—July 2004

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Patagonia Glacier, Chile, September 1986—August 2002

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Kilimanjaro, Tanzania, February 1993—February 2000
 
The liberal side doesn't want anyone practicing a religion in public, while Christians want to, but don't want other religions practiced in public. Which is the same thing.
I don't know many Christians that behave as you just described. Most don't mind if other faiths are displayed in public, so long as their own isn't restricted. For example, how many Jewish or Muslim displays are removed from public places every year in December, compared to Christian ones? The menorahs and statues of Buddha or Muhammad seem to be fine with leftists, but they pitch the dumbest fits over a cross or Christmas tree. :(
 
I call it ******** as I see Christmas trees with crosses everywhere (along with just plain crosses and crucifixions) and almost nothing from Muslims, Buddhists, etc and only the occasional Jewish menorah so you're selectively seeing attacks where there are none.

I do however see plenty of Christians decrying the "defacement" of Christmas by seeing other religions daring to intrude in December and a more generic and less offensive greeting somehow becoming an attack on Christianity.

In short, Christians are no longer the sole religion in the country allowed to be openly expressed safely and they don't like it.
 

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