The Amazing Spider-Man Vampires in Spider-Man 4

[LightningFlash]

Lizard and Morbius are perfect for this, manifestations of our greatest fears.

I'll take clowns and Barack Obama.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

but if Morbius or Lizard is in it, make their villain persona pure EVIL.

If I remember ocrrectly, as i have said, Morbius was never 110% evil. He didn't want to hurt people, but he needed blood.

 

[LightningFlash]

But that first time with having blood, it should make him go very insane.

His insanity should be like the captain in "Tales of the Black Freighter".

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ How so? I mean, I don't think he'd stay that way. He knows what he's doing is wrong, but he needs it.

 

[LightningFlash]

Most likely he'll die in his "vampire mode".

Raimi's villains always die.

And he should go mad and insane because he just tasted someone else's blood!!!!

It's not normal. It's ABNORMAL.

Blood from another person should make him go mad. Lose focus of the world. Make him go starving mad for more blood, and more, and more. Sure, he can have his emo moments(and I know Sammy will do this), but for the most part, have him be a vampiric lunatic.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Honestly, I don't think he'll be a lunatic. Morbius would probably kill people though. As I said, it's basically a matter of life or death to him. Then, when Spider-Man attacks he might sday "I don't want to fight you", then as Spidey contains chasing him, Morbius gets angry and basically tries to kill Spidey. I think it would be a great battle.

 

[TheSlag]

I'll take clowns and Barack Obama.

LOL ...

The Senate and Barack Obama you say

 

[SpeterMan3]

Ooh, tried.

 

[TheSlag]

Morbius is a far more 3-dimensional character than Venom is!

Venom-Pissed because he became unemployed for being a fraud. The suit it angry because being a parasite didn't sit well with Peter, and it rejected him. He now has no other purpose in life other than the sestruction of Spider-Man. It was the same in the SM3 (yet, you hated it).

Morbius- Suffering from a rare blood disease tries to cure himself, only to mutate into a being that must feed off of living blood to sustain his own dying blood supply. He is constantly torn between the good man he was, and the monster he has become. He has gone from killing for neccesity to killing for justice. He's a very sympathetic character, which is keeping in theme with the Spidey villians of the movies (which, you hated).

I like Venom better than Morbius, but Venom is about as 2-dimensional a character as you can get....next to Carnage, who hs almost no depth to him at all.

Thanks for the info, as I know very little about Morbius, other than the 90's cartoon version. Sounds like the comic is very similiar to the Cartoon version.

Morbius sounds like a weak watered down version of the Lizard's story to me. And as you and others have said, IF we get any more sympathetic villains, it should be Connors/Lizard.

And I think as a villain, I can see Lizard as less sympathetic, and more deadly/frightening than Morbius, throwing out their alter ego's. As a villain, Lizard can be brutal/primal/vicious... where Morbius seems to struggle with his "villianous role". (i.e. sympathetic).

With that said, I still think Lizard can be sytmpathetic, and still be brutal/vicious as a villain. A BIG plus to me after all the sympathetic villains we have had.

Connors stoy can be soo much more riveting in his relationship with Peter, as Peter knows what it feels like to lose your father and father-figure, and IF they include the Connors Clan (as THEY SHOULD already have), it can strenghten the storyline by having Peter finally feeling like he has found the familoy he never had.

While I agree Venom's motivation has always been weak, I still think the combination of the symbiote, Black Spidey (and the symbiote's effect on Peter), and Brock... make for a MUCH better storyline than Morbius ever could.

Now that would imply they HAD done the story correctly and NOT have given us the watered down kiddie verison of the symbiote, Venom.. and MOST important.. the Black Spider-Man.

Pity.

 

[American_Hobo]

Thanks for the info, as I know very little about Morbius, other than the 90's cartoon version. Sounds like the comic is very similiar to the Cartoon version.

Morbius sounds like a weak watered down version of the Lizard's story to me. And as you and others have said, IF we get any more sympathetic villains, it should be Connors/Lizard.

And I think as a villain, I can see Lizard as less sympathetic, and more deadly/frightening than Morbius, throwing out their alter ego's. As a villain, Lizard can be brutal/primal/vicious... where Morbius seems to struggle with his "villianous role". (i.e. sympathetic).

With that said, I still think Lizard can be sytmpathetic, and still be brutal/vicious as a villain. A BIG plus to me after all the sympathetic villains we have had.

Connors stoy can be soo much more riveting in his relationship with Peter, as Peter knows what it feels like to lose your father and father-figure, and IF they include the Connors Clan (as THEY SHOULD already have), it can strenghten the storyline by having Peter finally feeling like he has found the familoy he never had.

While I agree Venom's motivation has always been weak, I still think the combination of the symbiote, Black Spidey (and the symbiote's effect on Peter), and Brock... make for a MUCH better storyline than Morbius ever could.

Now that would imply they HAD done the story correctly and NOT have given us the watered down kiddie verison of the symbiote, Venom.. and MOST important.. the Black Spider-Man.

Pity.

Well put.

I agree with everything.

One thing I'm worrying about Lizard being the villain is that we might be seeing Spiderman fighting all CGI monster.
Since Raimi loves the villains who are unmasked or villain who can easily get unmasked, I'm not too sure about Lizard.

I just hope it's Electro because he can bring great visuals to screen.

 

[Venom75]

Yeah,having creatures like vampires and werewolves(John Jameson)does not interest me at all. It's like having aliens in an Indiana Jones movie(heh,heh..). But I'd much rather see the Lizard and some of the other villains we've never seen brought to life on screen.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hmmm...Well, Lizard and Morbius have appeared beside one another in past Spider-Man stories, so it is not like this pairing comes out of nowhere. If done right, this can be quiet good. I won't shoot down the idea, especially if Raimi has more control this film. Vampires would fit his horror roots anyway. As would Lizard.

 

[LightningFlash]

^^ Honestly, I don't think he'll be a lunatic. Morbius would probably kill people though. As I said, it's basically a matter of life or death to him. Then, when Spider-Man attacks he might sday "I don't want to fight you", then as Spidey contains chasing him, Morbius gets angry and basically tries to kill Spidey. I think it would be a great battle.

Didn't Raimi do that with Sandman already? "I don't wanna hurt you" or something stupid like that.

And lunatics kill people. Same ass thing. But he shouldn't turn out to be apologetic over it and fly away at the end.

 

[Mike_D202]

I think we'll get both Lizard AND Morbius. Connors can be in the lab working with genetics (for his limb regrowth) and his student is Morbius, working on a cure for himself as well (same field).

I'm sure Raimi might do something similar to that.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

As long as we get the talents of Robert Pattinson in the film... then I'm all for it.

....

 

[HughJackFan420]

vampires? all i have to say is please god no!!!!

although if it meant Blade would be in it and there's a cliffhanger to open up a new series of cooler and a much better Blade series then I'm all for it.

 

[LightningFlash]

Yah, sure...have a connection with Spidey and Blade....

that's fine, there should be a connection of at least two horrible franchises.