Comics Villain Opportunities from Unmasking AKA: 101 ways to torture Peter Parker

[Carnage 707]

So say your a Spider-Man villian in the comics, time and time again that pesky wallcrawler has foiled your bank heists, stopped your plans for world domination, and made fun of your mother.

Then during civil war your greatest foe reveals his identity. All along it was just some average-looking guy you couldn't pick out of a crowd. Not a millionare, not an alien, not even a government agent. You couldn't hurt Spider-Man, the superhero, but now you have a chance to hurt Peter Parker, the Husband, Nephew and Friend. What do you do?

Add to the list as ya see fit.

1. Hack Parker's bank account and ruin him financially.

2. Kill possibly horribly disfigure his wife, she can't be protected EVERYWHERE, right?

3. Make life a living hell for all of his friends, until they all leave him from fear.

4. Dig up uncle Ben's decaying corpse and take pictures of him in a yellow dress and high heels.

5. Pull the dog-crap-in-a-burning-paper-bag trick on him

6. Call him at 3:00am to ask if his refrigerator is running.

 

[JackSkellington]

4. Dig up uncle Ben's decaying corpse and take pictures of him in a yellow dress and high heels.

LMAO!

That's both sick & funny at the same time. up:

 

[Effect]

You know has anyone considered the possiblity that villians wouldn't even bother going these extra steps? Think about it, they've fought Spider-man before and know how strong he is and what he can do. Do you think they'd seriously go the trouble of trying to make his life so hard that it pushes him the bring that he'll very likely kill them after he hunts them down?

One has to look at the other side. Would it really be in a villians best interest to bother with Spider-man's personal life? Would it really matter to them when all they want is money and power? Isn't Norman the only one that's really gotten personal with Spider-man and wants to make him suffer? I'm still trying to figured out why Norman wants to make him suffer anyway. Does anyon else beside him have anything to gain? Would they honestly take the time away from their crime planning, etc to try and make Peter and his families life a problem?

Sure they can do something to stop him from getting in the way but most likely they can pull of their crimes and Spidey not show up and they get caught if he happens to be in the area or he tracks them down. What about the other heroes who's ID become known? Why would they automaticly single Spider-man out, what about other street level foes or not so street level ones?

I'm starting to think what Aunt May said about judges, lawyers, policemen, etc makes sense. They have families and fight criminals but dont' wear mask. Their familes at risk as well, perhaps more so then Aunt May and MJ. Think of all the hate those type of people get from the different gangs or high profile criminals that get arrest or even get off or have contact with their past gang members. Are they not in at risk just as well as Aunt May and MJ?

I don't see what makes May and MJ being at risk so special.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'm starting to think what Aunt May said about judges, lawyers, policemen, etc makes sense. They have families and fight criminals but dont' wear mask. Their familes at risk as well, perhaps more so then Aunt May and MJ. Think of all the hate those type of people get from the different gangs or high profile criminals that get arrest or even get off or have contact with their past gang members. Are they not in at risk just as well as Aunt May and MJ?

I don't see what makes May and MJ being at risk so special.

Yeah except the criminals that judges, lawyers and policemen put away can't punch through walls with a single punch, they can't send bolts of electricity through the streets, or turn into sand and slip under locked doors. They don't have mind control powers or access to gadgets and weaponry powerful enough to level a city block. They haven't been foiled by the same person for enough YEARS to develop a massive hard-on for said person.

See the difference?

 

[SpideyInATree]

I have no idea what's going to happen in Civil War or how any villains of Spidey's will really react. But there are a few things set up.

For starters Peter Parker/Spider-Man is part of the Avengers. Yes, The Avengers. He's not solo loner superhero this time around.

You're a super villain watching the press conference. You see Tony Stark, who just said he was Iron Man, and you're going to try and attack Spidey? Go after him? And bring the hammer down of all the other super heroes? And be hunted down by the others just for going after Peter Parker because you're a bad guy and couldn't take that a guy kept stopping you from being a bad guy?

I expect some villains would be pissed about the revelation. Just the way Vulture reacted in Marvel Knights Spider-Man to seeing Peter's face, even though it was all beat up...Vulture freaked out because Peter was just some everyday looking dude and Vulture was expecting more.

If anything...most of the rogues will be disappointed, heh.

The villain who is most important is Green Goblin, in my opinion. He's the one who's going to be the most pissed about the revelation.

So, if you're a villain in the MU and Spidey reveals his identity...and you see that his homeboy is Iron Man who, just on national television, showed he had control of an armada of other Iron Men...well, you're going to probably have some second thoughts.

Once again, Spidey has other heroes behind him who have his back. Even though the heroes will be divided...they are going to be hunting the super villains as well, if they aren't...then sorry.

It will definitely be an exciting read to see how things go.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

^^^

But Peter might not always be an Avenger and he should have taken that into account.


And not all villains have to leave evidence. All a guy like Fusion has to do is go up to May or MJ and tell them to walk into traffic.

 

[SpideyInATree]

^^^

But Peter might not always be an Avenger and he should have taken that into account.


And not all villains have to leave evidence. All a guy like Fusion has to do is go up to May or MJ and tell them to walk into traffic.

No, he may not always be an Avenger but it's not like he's going to be hated by every single other superhero in the Marvel Universe either. Who knows, maybe that will happen. I don't know.

And why would Aunt May and MJ be walking around by themselves after Peter reveals his identity? You don't think that they're going to go into some type of protection?

You make it seem like he takes the mask off and every single living Spider-Man villain is going to jump up, unite, and attack all at once or something. Chances are most of them are going to be too busy feeling stupid to think of a way to kill him or his family.

Once again, this is just part of the story that's going to make it interesting. Yeah, it could mean bad news...it's the risk that he's taking for believing in Tony Stark and the Registration Act. Remember...

Peter is also going to have the United States Government on his side, not to mention SHIELD. So, you know...it's not like he's going to unmask and everybody is going to say, "Ok, Peter, time to go move back into your tiny apartment in Soho! Good luck staying alive without any armor or shields on the walls, HA!! SUCKER!"

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

You make it seem like he takes the mask off and every single living Spider-Man villain is going to jump up, unite, and attack all at once or something. Chances are most of them are going to be too busy feeling stupid to think of a way to kill him or his family.

Nevertheless, some of them are going to have serious axes to grind and if it takes a week or a month or a year they'll go after them, it's naive to think they'll find out PP is SM, say "Crap, he's part of the Avengers" throw up their hands and forget about him.

Peter is also going to have the United States Government on his side, not to mention SHIELD. So, you know...it's not like he's going to unmask and everybody is going to say, "Ok, Peter, time to go move back into your tiny apartment in Soho! Good luck staying alive without any armor or shields on the walls, HA!! SUCKER!"

Which he may not be after Civil War.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Nevertheless, some of them are going to have serious axes to grind and if it takes a week or a month or a year they'll go after them, it's naive to think they'll find out PP is SM, say "Crap, he's part of the Avengers" throw up their hands and forget about him.



Which he may not be after Civil War.

They're not going to be like that, but I could understand a lot better if maybe Aunt May still lived in the house in Queens and Pete and MJ lived in an apartment.

But, as of right now and when Peter is making his decision, they're living in Avengers Tower which has lots of defense on it, I'm sure...Stark owns it...so you know.

If we do look into the future of the story. First of all, I'm sure Peter is going to find out Stark was pulling his leg. Pete will get mad that he revealed his ID, basically, to help Tony with his own agenda. And Pete will be mad, and change sides.

Yeah, you're probably right. But this is a story. And in the here and now of the situation and in the mind set of the character Peter Parker he's standing up for what he believes is the right thing to do and standing beside the man who has given him so much, Tony Stark. The character can't see into the future just like when you or I make large decisions we cannot see what is ahead of us. We don't have an Internet that reveals spoilers about our lives.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

We don't have an Internet that reveals spoilers about our lives.

You don't?





Anyway, I'll concede you have some good points. Ultimately, if this situation is not going to fall out of control by the end, the writers have to be very careful and that's what scares me the most.

 

[SpideyInATree]

You don't?





Anyway, I'll concede you have some good points. Ultimately, if this situation is not going to fall out of control by the end, the writers have to be very careful and that's what scares me the most.

I agree. They do need to be very careful and tread lightly. I'm really thinking they've already got a back door worked out to get him back in the mask.

But this is Marvel of 2006, heh. We see they don't really have much PLANNING, haha.

But as Tom Defalco stated about the Clone Saga, it needs a back door so that you don't write yourself into a losing situation, and that's what ended up happening to the Clone Saga.

And it could happen with this storyline. And hopefully the boys at Marvel have already worked out a backdoor...and hopefully one that doesn't piss anybody off further.

 

[Effect]

Yeah except the criminals that judges, lawyers and policemen put away can't punch through walls with a single punch, they can't send bolts of electricity through the streets, or turn into sand and slip under locked doors. They don't have mind control powers or access to gadgets and weaponry powerful enough to level a city block. They haven't been foiled by the same person for enough YEARS to develop a massive hard-on for said person.

See the difference?

Sure they can't but they can have their gangs gun down the lawyer, judge, etc. They have their other friends do horrible things in their place eventhough they are behind bars. What about the cops or lawyers that make it their life work to stop a certain gang, end up knowing the details about that gang? Or the gang members that end up knowing the names of the cops that are always arresting them or arresting their friends, etc? Cops, etc live in normal everyday neighborhoods and people around them very well know what they do. Gathering info on them wouldn't be hard but they get up everyday and do their job and their families go about their lives. Either it be a hand gun or getting run over by a car or having someone like the Shocker attacking you the end result is going to be the same. Danger and risk are still the same I feel.

 

[shinlyle]

Well, according to what we know about the upcoming issues, the next arc in Sensational Spider-Man deals with the ramifications of Spidey's "monumentous decision". Apparently, Chameleon organizes a group of villians to go ater Spidey. I'd imagine that this will be the fall out from Peter revealing his identity....and it will one id a long line of stories about this subject matter.

Also, it's preposterous to even think that the villians wouldn't go to all of the trouble of tormenting Peter. He's beaten and humiliated them time and again. Ock alone would be willing to do whatever it takes to make Spider-Man suffer. There last real encounter in SSM, where he attempted to force Peter to unmask, that alone would be enough to make him want Peter to suffer (although, that arc reinforces why Peter would NEVER willingly reveal id ID to the public.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Sure they can't but they can have their gangs gun down the lawyer, judge, etc. They have their other friends do horrible things in their place eventhough they are behind bars. What about the cops or lawyers that make it their life work to stop a certain gang, end up knowing the details about that gang? Or the gang members that end up knowing the names of the cops that are always arresting them or arresting their friends, etc? Cops, etc live in normal everyday neighborhoods and people around them very well know what they do. Gathering info on them wouldn't be hard but they get up everyday and do their job and their families go about their lives. Either it be a hand gun or getting run over by a car or having someone like the Shocker attacking you the end result is going to be the same. Danger and risk are still the same I feel.

Listen not to lessen the threat that real law enforcment figures face but there's a serious difference between the danger that this represents:

and the danger that somebody like this poses:

 

[roach]

You know has anyone considered the possiblity that villians wouldn't even bother going these extra steps? Think about it, they've fought Spider-man before and know how strong he is and what he can do. Do you think they'd seriously go the trouble of trying to make his life so hard that it pushes him the bring that he'll very likely kill them after he hunts them down?

One has to look at the other side. Would it really be in a villians best interest to bother with Spider-man's personal life? Would it really matter to them when all they want is money and power? Isn't Norman the only one that's really gotten personal with Spider-man and wants to make him suffer? I'm still trying to figured out why Norman wants to make him suffer anyway. Does anyon else beside him have anything to gain? Would they honestly take the time away from their crime planning, etc to try and make Peter and his families life a problem?

Sure they can do something to stop him from getting in the way but most likely they can pull of their crimes and Spidey not show up and they get caught if he happens to be in the area or he tracks them down. What about the other heroes who's ID become known? Why would they automaticly single Spider-man out, what about other street level foes or not so street level ones?

I'm starting to think what Aunt May said about judges, lawyers, policemen, etc makes sense. They have families and fight criminals but dont' wear mask. Their familes at risk as well, perhaps more so then Aunt May and MJ. Think of all the hate those type of people get from the different gangs or high profile criminals that get arrest or even get off or have contact with their past gang members. Are they not in at risk just as well as Aunt May and MJ?

I don't see what makes May and MJ being at risk so special.

if I gave you a million dollars to fight Superman would you do it??????
would you do it if I gave you Kryptonite boxing gloves?????
Peter's identity represents the one weakness he has...his family. Just like in the movie when Goblin told him "someone was gonna come by with a sick choice". How soon will it be before someone targets MJ and May???? He's a government agent now he just cant go off and get revenge

 

[SpideyInATree]

(although, that arc reinforces why Peter would NEVER willingly reveal id ID to the public.

This was also before the Superhuman Registration Act and Spider-Man was on the Avengers and he was employed by Tony Stark.

So, things change...just like a lot of things you would never think you would have done in your life...you've done...because people, ideas, and things change around us everyday.

 

[Idio]

Civil War has completely split apart the heroes, the Avengers are at half force, all of Spidey's foes uniting and attacking the mansion in force, I'm sure as **** that they'd rip apart what was left of the Avengers and get to Peter's family. People like Ock, Electro, Sandman, Carrion, etc, would want Peter to suffer more than anything and would do anything to make that happen.

****, this would be the one thing where villains would set aside their differences and work together to bring Peter down.

This doesn't even have to come down to personal either, Hydra could come after Spiderman simply because he's been such an annoyance to them. All those gangsters who have had their drug deals/business ruined by Spiderman would do nothing but send wave after wave of goons after him to kill him and his family.

Hell random people off the street who want street cred would just sit outside Avengers mansion and wait to pick off his family. Could you imagine being part of a gang and saying you were the one who killed the legendary Spiderman's wife or aunt?

It was a horrible decision on Peter's part, he lost Gwen because ONE villain found out his identity. Marvel made a poor decision.

If Peter doesn't lose something serious from this, its just poor writing. Mary Jane and Aunt May have to go.

 

[Dyeathrose]

You know has anyone considered the possiblity that villians wouldn't even bother going these extra steps? Think about it, they've fought Spider-man before and know how strong he is and what he can do. Do you think they'd seriously go the trouble of trying to make his life so hard that it pushes him the bring that he'll very likely kill them after he hunts them down?

One has to look at the other side. Would it really be in a villians best interest to bother with Spider-man's personal life? Would it really matter to them when all they want is money and power? Isn't Norman the only one that's really gotten personal with Spider-man and wants to make him suffer? I'm still trying to figured out why Norman wants to make him suffer anyway. Does anyon else beside him have anything to gain? Would they honestly take the time away from their crime planning, etc to try and make Peter and his families life a problem?

Sure they can do something to stop him from getting in the way but most likely they can pull of their crimes and Spidey not show up and they get caught if he happens to be in the area or he tracks them down. What about the other heroes who's ID become known? Why would they automaticly single Spider-man out, what about other street level foes or not so street level ones?

I'm starting to think what Aunt May said about judges, lawyers, policemen, etc makes sense. They have families and fight criminals but dont' wear mask. Their familes at risk as well, perhaps more so then Aunt May and MJ. Think of all the hate those type of people get from the different gangs or high profile criminals that get arrest or even get off or have contact with their past gang members. Are they not in at risk just as well as Aunt May and MJ?

I don't see what makes May and MJ being at risk so special.

I've been trying to figure out what makes MJ and May being at risk so special to the reader, actually, as it is cited quite a bit. My personal theory is because of another complaint I've seen (and I have) about the lack of the secondary supporting characters that Peter/Spidey was so well known to have. Literally, almost all that's left is MJ and May, as they are the two that are focused on the most, so if they are taken out of the picture, to me it loses the flavor that made Spider-man special. Without the double identity he's spent his time trying to balance, he becomes another guy in tights fighting more men and women in tights.

Quite a few ploys that I remember fondly have to do with the danger of his loved ones, actually. Or at least their risk. From the most cited Gwen's death to Aunt May almost marrying Doc Ock, heck even Marvel Knights had GG dragging MJ back to that bridge. It supposed to feed into the reader's emotions, since Peter cares about them, we are supposed to as well.

With them in the Avenger's Tower, there is no doubt they will have as much protection as (the writers) can be provided, but then they lose their own freedom. MJ can't do any gigs from the tower, though May does have it a bit better, considering Jarvis is there. However, were the Avenger's Tower not an option, I see May's elluding to the everyday hero (police, fire fighters, etc) a bit more in context. I've seen a wife of a police officer worry for the safety of her husband, but still conduct life; she doesn't hide in fear of relatiation, and neither does he. Even with that said, the fine line of real life and fantasy is blurred; I don't like bringing it together to point one out to another, since for me to even begin reading any comic, I have to bend the laws of reality. Plus, there are a million examples of real life that can slice one example in fantasy to shreds.

Norman/GG has been twisted to the point of obsession over Spider-man, and when he found out Peter, it became much more personal for him (though, that depends on the writer). I'm sure villians wouldn't mind terrorizing Peter at the heart of it, ones like Electro who are already publically (legally) known as criminals don't have much else to do in society but cause trouble.

At least, that's my take on it.

 

[Compi716]

Spidey's identity has been revealed, in what I feel is the stupidest move in comic book history. Now, fans are left wondering "How in the HELL is Marvel going to make this work?" I think I've come up with a semi-solution (or potential solution).

Spider-Man: BORN AGAIN.

Yes, that is the title of the CLASSIC Daredevil story, where his identity was revealed to his greatest foe. And what happened to Murdock? He disappeared. Nobody knew where he was. He was REBORN.

Spidey's enemies know his true identity. Osborn, Kingpin, hell, even the return of Eddie Brock/Venom (we know it's going to happen for the 2007 movie!)...these villians can do SOMETHING do Parker. I think it could be time for some brilliant story telling. Whatever the story may be, I think that Spider-Man needs to "die" and be "reborn."

He needs to be BORN AGAIN.

This, I feel, may be the only way to save our favorite hero. I can only hope that whatever Marvel does, they pull it off.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Civil War has completely split apart the heroes, the Avengers are at half force, all of Spidey's foes uniting and attacking the mansion in force, I'm sure as **** that they'd rip apart what was left of the Avengers and get to Peter's family. People like Ock, Electro, Sandman, Carrion, etc, would want Peter to suffer more than anything and would do anything to make that happen.

****, this would be the one thing where villains would set aside their differences and work together to bring Peter down.

This doesn't even have to come down to personal either, Hydra could come after Spiderman simply because he's been such an annoyance to them. All those gangsters who have had their drug deals/business ruined by Spiderman would do nothing but send wave after wave of goons after him to kill him and his family.

Hell random people off the street who want street cred would just sit outside Avengers mansion and wait to pick off his family. Could you imagine being part of a gang and saying you were the one who killed the legendary Spiderman's wife or aunt?

It was a horrible decision on Peter's part, he lost Gwen because ONE villain found out his identity. Marvel made a poor decision.

If Peter doesn't lose something serious from this, its just poor writing. Mary Jane and Aunt May have to go.

First of all, all of that happening. All the villains wanting to come after Spider-Man because he revealed his ID. Wouldn't that kind of make things a little exciting? It's exciting to me. And it's also fun. It's basically what I've been waiting for out of the Spidey books in a long time. The last time the Spidey books were fun was earlier in JMS' run during the Ezekiel stuff. After the Book of Ezekiel Spidey's books haven't really been too exciting to me.

Yeah, his family will be in danger.

And who is the one who basically told him to go out there and tell the world who he is? Not Tony Stark. Stark let Peter make the decision himself. No, I believe it was Aunt May who made the decision for Peter.

And maybe someone will die. Maybe somebody won't. But do you really think that they're going to have Peter reveal his identity and just leave Aunt May and Mary Jane sitting completely by themselves in a room in the Tower?

Who's to say that they don't move them to a secret location?

Pete's got the government on his side now by registering, and then also going public with his identity. Do you think they're going to let something happen to his loved ones? Or his friends? That they're just going to let the supervillains walk right in?

I know the first thought is that some villains will go after his family, etc. But, NO DUH!!! It's what is going to make the story really exciting because you have NO IDEA what is going to happen. And that's what I love.

When everything is predictable and easy to figure out the book really becomes dull, much like it has been for the past few years now. This injects excitement and intensity back into The Amazing Spider-Man. And whether you hate it or love it...it's going to be one hell of a ride. A ride I've been looking forward to for 13 years.

 

[Grim Goblin]

Exactly what part of "Peter's villains coming after him en masse now that they know who he is" not predictable?

yeah, the government is going to watch over Peter's family. Because they already did such a bang up job protecting citizens in Stamford.

Thank god that at least the Avengers are there to back him up. Oh wait, they're busy getting their asses kicked by the Hand!

I'm fine with people liking this story, but so far I find the reasons given as to why this is something good quite debatable.

 

[Grim Goblin]

and as for the topic of this thread:

7) Chameleon takes Peter's shape and get some sweet MJ love

 

[D-day]

Have any of you guys seen the cover to Civil War #5? It gives you a big clue as to what Spideys life will be like for the next couple of years.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Have any of you guys seen the cover to Civil War #5? It gives you a big clue as to what Spideys life will be like for the next couple of years.

Who said that it was going to be for a couple years?

 

[deemar325]

This whole thing is a mess.