Villains that should reform

[La The Darkman]

How about none of them? What's with the "lets make _____ see the light and change his ways" trend that's going on in Marvel?

 

[Mr. Marvel]

How about none of them? What's with the "lets make _____ see the light and change his ways" trend that's going on in Marvel?

its to counter the "lets make popular fan favourites into evil bastards" Obviously

 

[The Overlord]

How about none of them? What's with the "lets make _____ see the light and change his ways" trend that's going on in Marvel?

Alright, give me one good reason why Trapster should stay a criminal and not make millions legitimately.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

A'cause Marvel thinks that even idiots have good ideas once in the while.

 

[The Overlord]

A'cause Marvel thinks that even idiots have good ideas once in the while.

Trapster not only developed super-adhesive, he also created but several specialized weapons capable of firing or projecting the adhesive without clogging. He also created a lubricant to dissolve the paste.

Seems to me he is not some fool who just got lucky, he developed quite a few devices that could make him rich, so he isn't he doing so.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Not what I meant.

 

[Anubis]

I like Trapster as a villain. He's become something of a hired gun. I've not seen him try to rob a bank in years. I have seen him get paid to do stuff like, capture people, demolitions, even assinations. Why bother going good when you can be a professional criminal?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I like Trapster as a villain. He's become something of a hired gun. I've not seen him try to rob a bank in years. I have seen him get paid to do stuff like, capture people, demolitions, even assinations. Why bother going good when you can be a professional criminal?

See, you got it.

 

[The Overlord]

Not what I meant.

If Trapster is clever enough to invent all that stuff, I don't see why he wouldn't be clever enough to realize how much money he could make off it legitimately, especially since he is such a failure as a criminal.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

The point was that Marvel is doing it to several villans. Trapster just isn't one of them. Though Anubis and you are fully correct with the Trapster, and I mistakenly told Anubis he got the point, despite my point was far different.

Apologies.

 

[The Overlord]

I like Trapster as a villain. He's become something of a hired gun. I've not seen him try to rob a bank in years. I have seen him get paid to do stuff like, capture people, demolitions, even assinations. Why bother going good when you can be a professional criminal?

Because he almost always gets arrested at the end. If he just sold his glue, he would be a millionaire and have his own trophy wife, comapred to now, where he is considered a loser and has to worry about dropping the soap in the prison shower.

Also no one in the super villain community seems to like or respect, as this information I got off his wiki shows:

"Later on, during the Spider-Man: Identity Crisis story, the Trapster would be hired by Norman Osborn to kill a man and make it seem like Spider-man did it, and in order to cover this up Osborn put a price on Trapster's head, attracting assassins like the Hand and his previous ally Shocker. Trapster unknowingly teamed up with Spider-Man, who was using the alias of Dusk, in an attempt to get back at Osborn, and would eventually confess his murder to the police in order to remove Osborn's reason for wanting him dead.

During his tenure with the most recent Frightful Four incarnation (including Hydro-Man and the mysterious Salamandra), the Wizard tired of Trapster's failures and his general snivelling, and callously sealed the villain in a repeating time-loop, a trap from which he can "never escape." However, Petruski did indeed escape."

Seriously he goes to prison, other villains turn on him, abuse him and try to kill him. Trapster should relaize this whole criminal thing isn't working out for him after all that. I could ignore all that if he had a good motive, but he doesn't to my knowledge. Can you think of any sort of motive that would make him stay a criminal, even after all that?

 

[La The Darkman]

Trapster not only developed super-adhesive, he also created but several specialized weapons capable of firing or projecting the adhesive without clogging. He also created a lubricant to dissolve the paste.

Seems to me he is not some fool who just got lucky, he developed quite a few devices that could make him rich, so he isn't he doing so.

He's smart that doesn't mean he's a good person, that doesn't even mean he has common sense. Going by the logic of "he could make just as much if not more money by being legit" there'd be hardly any Villians in Marvel at all. Regardless of the natural talents someone has or the opportunites they're given some people are always just going to be f**k-ups. I think most villians fall into this category. Barring some REALLY good explination (which we all know marvel is SO good at ) that shouldn't change.

 

[The Overlord]

The point was that Marvel is doing it to several villans. Trapster just isn't one of them. Though Anubis and you are fully correct with the Trapster, and I mistakenly told Anubis he got the point, despite my point was far different.

Apologies.

Many other villains are too crazy or too stupid to use their talents from legitimate gain. Bullseye could make money as baseball pitcher, but he is psycho who likes killing people, so he's an assassin instead. Likewise Electro could make millions legitimately in the enegry industry but he is too stupid (plus he has self esteem issues) to do so and thus robs banks instead. Villains like Trapster or Stilt-Man make no sense, they are smart enough to develop technology that would be far more useful in the business world than in crime, yet they become criminals for no reason, are bad at it and are disrespected by thier peers and society in general. Seriously is there any good motive for Trapster to remain a criminal? His character makes no sense.

 

[The Overlord]

He's smart that doesn't mean he's a good person, that doesn't even mean he has common sense. Going by the logic of "he could make just as much if not more money by being legit" there'd be hardly any Villians in Marvel at all. Regardless of the natural talents someone has or the opportunites they're given some people are always just going to be f**k-ups. I think most villians fall into this category. Barring some REALLY good explination (which we all know marvel is SO good at ) that shouldn't change.

Other villains do have some explainations, they are either too stupid or too insane to make money legitimately. As I said before:

"Bullseye could make money as baseball pitcher, but he is psycho who likes killing people, so he's an assassin instead. Likewise Electro could make millions legitimately in the enegry industry but he is too stupid (plus he has self esteem issues) to do so and thus robs banks instead. Villains like Trapster or Stilt-Man make no sense, they are smart enough to develop technology that would be far more useful in the business world than in crime, yet they become criminals for no reason, are bad at it and are disrespected by thier peers and society in general. Seriously is there any good motive for Trapster to remain a criminal? His character makes no sense."

Seriously where is his motive, if he at least had a motive I could forgive him for the all the other stuff.

 

[fifthfiend]

Trapster not only developed super-adhesive, he also created but several specialized weapons capable of firing or projecting the adhesive without clogging. He also created a lubricant to dissolve the paste.

Seems to me he is not some fool who just got lucky, he developed quite a few devices that could make him rich, so he isn't he doing so.

If Trapster is clever enough to invent all that stuff, I don't see why he wouldn't be clever enough to realize how much money he could make off it legitimately, especially since he is such a failure as a criminal.

There's also an even chance he'd have his inventions yanked out from under him by some business that wrangles control of all the legal rights and slots him into some cube farm somewhere as yet another wage slave.

If he's such a failure as a criminal, what in the name of mercy makes you think he'd stand a chance as a businessman?

 

[The Overlord]

There's also an even chance he'd have his inventions yanked out from under him by some business that wrangles control of all the legal rights and slots him into some cube farm somewhere as yet another wage slave.

If he's such a failure as a criminal, what in the name of G-d makes you think he'd stand a chance as a businessman?

Maybe, maybe not, but he can still give it try. Being a wage slave is better then trying not to drop the soap in the Ryker prison shower. Seriously I wouldn't mind if that happened, at least he would have a motive for his crimes, because he sure doesn't have one now.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Marvel should get advice from DC and make their villains cooler. looks what DC did to the Calculator for instance.

 

[La The Darkman]

Maybe, maybe not, but he can still give it try. Being a wage slave is better then trying not to drop the soap in the Ryker prison shower.

A lot people just DON'T GET THAT. It's like I said just because someone is smart doesn't mean they have common sense. There are plenty of people in jail right now who are intelligent enough to where they could have been successful in legitimate business but didn't want to put in the work so they did something stupid.

 

[The Overlord]

A lot people just DON'T GET THAT. It's like I said just because someone is smart doesn't mean they have common sense. There are plenty of people in jail right now who are intelligent enough to where they could have been successful in legitimate business but didn't want to put in the work so they did something stupid.

Most cons either grew up poor and are uneducated or are just psychopaths, you will hardly see someone with a good education, with no serious mental problems and great talents in science become blue collar criminals (white collar is the worse can expect out of them.) This would like if Bill Gates had used his computer skills for crime, instead of becomming a billionaire, it would make no sense.

Frankly a lack of a comon sense is not a good motive, it doesn't make his character deep or interesting, besides you think that after all the abuse and failures he would suffered during his criminal career he would give it up. I mean seriously I find it doubtiful that he has such a lack of common sense that he couldn't figure out all the years of failure and abuse aren't worth it.

Seriously at least if he tried to go straight and make money legitimately, only to get cheated and end up a wage slave, he would have a motive for his crimes, revenge, unlike now where he has no motive and is thus a pointless character.

 

[Union Jack]

i would like to see magneto reform for good and lead a new x-team in the 616 universe (i know he has done it before and gone back to the dark side)

i'd like to see kaine return and more on the side of angels too...

 

[3dman27]

black cat

 

[The Overlord]

black cat

I thought she was already reformed.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

No, she's a ****. She'd have to be a non-**** to reform.

 

[Darthphere]

Mistress is hilarious. Everytime someone brings up what an ******* Iron Man is she pulls out the "Hes not as bad as____" card.

 

[The Question]

Well, seeing as nobodies using his old suit, (Or the new and improved one he had but never used because he bonded with the Symbiote instead.) they could easily just have a new Scorpion.

Truthfully, i'm not up for this reforming villains thing. There aren't that many really good ones anymore as it is. I mean, we haven't had a decent Masters of Evil in years because of the T-Bolts. How about just improving the villains and having them organize like The Society.

I actually had an idea for a new group of Masters. There'd be a core group comprising of Count Nefaria, Green Goblin, Hippolyta, Klaw, Tiger Shark, Taskmaster, and the Abomination. They'd have a huge criminal organization based all around the midwest with with plenty of hitmen, enforcers, and footsoldiers at their disposal. They'd sort of be a blend of the mafia and an terrorist group.

If Trapster is clever enough to invent all that stuff, I don't see why he wouldn't be clever enough to realize how much money he could make off it legitimately, especially since he is such a failure as a criminal.

His gear isn't that revolutionary. I doubt he invented many of the chemicals he uses if he invented any of them. And his deployment system is basically a high pressure pump. And really, he didn't come up with most of that stuff until after he was wanted by the police.