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WB creating live-action Akira

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waking dead kid yeah he is great

tetsuo is the hard casting imo

the kid from Gran Torino, though not Japanese, I think would fit very well as Tetsuo, visually atleast. He's wasn't that great an actor in the film... but it was also a heavily dramatic film, which he was not qualified for.

in this, which is sure to be a relatively shallow popcorn film (relative to both the anime and manga, and gran torino), I think he'd fit quite well.
 
do Asians cast Americans as leads in their movies?

do Russians cast Ethiopians as leads in their movies?

do Indians cast Germans as leads in their movies?

do androids dream of electric sheep?
Exactly! Thank-you!!! By now everyone should know that if you are not white you cannot be American not to mention America completely lacks diversity and is virtually an all white country...so why do people freak out so much?
 
The fact of the matter is, sad to say, there just aren't enough male asian actors around here that are well known, unlike the female ones. You could probably name about 4 asian chicks in the acting game right now that you know of, but as far as dudes, only John Cho may come to mind.
 
Aaron Yoo from Disturbia, Jay Chou from Green Hornet, Daniel Dae Kim from Lost

but yeah there arent that many Asian actors. But lets face it no racial minority is represented that well in Hollywood.
 
to be honest, there aren't that many known Asian actors in Hollywood...let alone ones who are leading man material. this is partially our own fault because we haven't produced any young actors who are leading man material in Hollywood. there aren't many handsome, talented Asian men that have the qualifications that Hollywood demands from their leading men. the only one that comes to mind is Ken Watanabe...

...but at the same time, Hollywood is very limited when it comes to giving Asian men a chance to be a leading man. they're either typecast as the sidekick action hero or the sidekick comic relief.
 
Exactly! Thank-you!!! By now everyone should know that if you are not white you cannot be American not to mention America completely lacks diversity and is virtually an all white country...so why do people freak out so much?
I hope you were just reciprocating my own sarcasm...
 
Of course I am...if I really thought that way I wouldn't post it.
haha, well, you never know. I recently saw a "friend" on facebook say that Japan deserved what was going on and that no one should help them because their grandfather was killed in WW2...(i immediately removed them from my list)
 
Ever since the DB:E era I've avoided these kind of conversations. I was in the minority, as I didn't care Goku was white because Goku's an alien. People often compared that to Superman and I honestly hope for the day we can see a non-white Superman. Or IMO, what should be a racially ambiguous Superman.

With this film however, I'm just sort of speechless. The whole thing is in such poor taste and is with such poor timing. Hollywood has a terrible track record when it comes to white-washing their adaptations. But this really takes it to a new level. It's essentially a rewriting of history for the sake of appealing to a wider demographic, which let's be honest is a whiter demographic.

And throwing out nonsense like "You can just reverse the roles and have us get nuked." Are you f****** kidding me? The amount of cultural insensitivity and borderline xenophobia it takes to say something like that is unbelievable. This isn't about crapping on Akira or being a real fan. This is about having some sort of a moral compass.

I'm not saying this needs to be shot page for page with the comics or have an all Japanese cast. But at the very least, keep it in Japan and keep the central characters Japanese. Not just to avoid completely bastardizing the history between the U.S. and Japan, but also for the sake of allowing the Japanese to take the lead in a story that truly belongs to them.

Dean Cain is 1/4 Japanese and fanboys to this day **** their pants over him being Superman. Not to mention getting his ethnicity wrong (Samoan, Hawaiian, Cuban, etc. I've heard them all). God forbid Clark Kent be a little bit colored.
 
The problem is that in Japan, their default = Asian, and in the US, our default = white. Of course in Japan, the Asian to non-Asian ratio is like 99 to 1, whereas in the US the White, non-hispanic to non-White ratio is about 75 to 25, but even so, you see this reflected in our media in that White people get the most representation-- probably closer to 80% (possibly even 90% of it, thought that's a liberal estimate) but for conversation's sake let's put that aside and work with the assumption that white actors do not get more than their fair share of available roles (75%).

Most popular Japanese sci-fi stories are not written around the fact that the main characters are Asian-- they are written around the cultural default, which happens to be native Japanese. When you move the story to another culture, you either end up using the new culture's default, or you have to re-write it to fit in the fact that all the characters are of Japanese descent but live in a country other than Japan. Spider-Who's post made the very erronious (and frankly, offensive) implication that "American" = White. However, a correct statement would be that when foreign cultures adapt each others' stories into their own, they tend to replace the original country's ethnic or racial default with their own.

If you want examples other than Akira of of Asian stories being Americanized while the Asian influence gets completely dropped, look at The Departed and The Road to Perdition-- The Departed is an American adaptation of a trilogy of Hong Kong movies, and Road to Perdition was originally a graphic novel that was adapted from a Manga, and replaced Samurai in feudal Japan with Irish gangsters in 1930s America. And let's not forget one of the oldest examples, The Magnificent Seven, which took Akira Kurasawa's 7 Samurai concept and turned it into an American Western. These films were both highly praised for being extremely well made, and yet there was no ruckus raised about Asian culture being whitewashed out of them. They were good stories in Asia, and they were still good stories after being Americanized, even though they were different.

I do agree that Asians do not get good representation in Hollywood. The US entertainment industry has been getting better about giving Black and Latino actors representation, but Asians still lag far behind, and I doubt that they get close to 5 percent of the roles available despite being 5% of the population. However, I don't think that that rift is going to close by saying "only Asian actors can star in movies derived from Anime." This may sound a bit overly pragmatic, but if someone is going to make a movie out of Samurai Champloo, it should probably be the Japanese, not Americans. That's a show that is pretty much tied to Japanese culture about as directly as it gets, and frankly, I don't really see the point of Americans remaking it with Asian-American actors speaking their lines in English. It would make more sense just to let the Japanese do it themselves, since there's not really any reason to inject Americans anywhere into the production except that we have a lot of money. If it was a re-imagining of the concept with Cowboys though, that would be a pretty different situation altogether-- and of course, it probably wouldn't be called Samurai Champloo anymore.

There are a lot of animes that are not tied to Japanese culture as directly as that example, though, and if an American decides they want to make a remake of it, it's really up to them to decide how they want to tackle it. If I was making a Neon Genesis Evangelion movie, I wouldn't try to set it in Japan, because I'm not Japanese so the whole movie would be skewed from a foreigner's perspective of the country it takes place in. I wouldn't be able to focus on the intimate nuances of the characters because I'd be too busy trying to make sure that they actually look and act like real Japanese people, or at least what a foreigner believe Japanese people are like. It would end up being like one of the old Spaghetti movies, where Italian filmmakers would make English language movies with American B-actors. It's more liberating as a filmmaker to be able to work within the culture you're familiar with, and if you've already allowed that barrier to be broken down, then you kind of have to accept that the characters aren't automatically going to be Asian just because the original version of the story took place in Asia.

Now, what would be ridiculous would be to make a remake of Evangelion that took place in Japan, but then cast a bunch of White American actors as the lead characters, and everyone speaks English. That would make so little sense I don't even...
 
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Great post Tim. I 100% agree. I wish people had more of this mindset
 
http://omgposters.com/2011/04/15/last-nights-mondo-mystery-movie-screening/

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Thought this was interesting...

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/21/george-takei-akira-whitewashing-asian/

Apr 21st 2011 By: Andy Khouri

George Takei Petitions Against Hollywood's Alleged 'Whitewashing' of 'AKIRA'

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Legendary Star Trek actor and social activist George Takei has spoken out against Warner Bros. Pictures' alleged plans to cast a live-action version of the classic Japanese animated film, AKIRA, with Caucasian leads rather than Asian actors. In response to the publication of a purported "short list" of actors including Justin Timberlake and Robert Pattinson, among others, Takei endorsed a Facebook petition called "Don't Whitewash AKIRA" that people can sign to make the powers that be aware of their wish for the film to be cast with Asians.

Created by Katsuhiro Otomo in the form of a manga serial and feature-length animated film, both of which are considered landmark works of art and superlative examples of their respective mediums, AKIRA is an indelibly Japanese story of super-science, politics and youth in revolt set against a post-apocalyptic version of Tokyo. Its main characters are Kaneda and Testuo, two motorcycle gang members and the best of friends -- until the latter is cursed with uncontrollable powers.

Otomo explores apocalyptic themes in the series a way that only a Japanese creator could, telling the story of a conflicted, corrupt and desperate city borne out of a catastrophic event that recalls the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Everything about the story is informed by the Japanese people's struggle to redefine their nation in the post-war era, including the shocking nihilism of its young protagonists.

Last month, Deadline published what its sources characterized as a short list of lead actors for the two principal roles in AKIRA: Robert Pattinson (Twilight), Andrew Garfield (The Social Network, Amazing Spider-Man) and James McAvoy (Wanted, X-Men: First Class) for Testuo; and Garrett Hedlund (TRON: Legacy), Michael Fassbender (X-Men: First Class, Inglourious Basterds), Chris Pine (Star Trek), Joaquin Phoenix (Walk The Line) and Justin Timberlake (everything that is ghastly and awful). None of these performers are Asian.

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In an interview with The Advocate, Takei, who has long used his prominence to champion Asian-American actors and culture, correctly observed that fans of AKIRA strongly identify with Japan and the Japanese people.
The manga and anime phenomenon is mostly white in this country. It originated in Japan, and, of course, it has a huge Asian fan following. But it's the multi-ethnic Americans who are fans of Akira and manga. The idea of buying the rights to do that and in fact change it seems rather pointless. If they're going to do that, why don't they do something original, because what they do is offend Asians, number 1; number 2, they offend the fans.


Additionally, Takei said he is surprised that Warner Bros. hasn't learned from past mistakes with whitewashing like the abysmal Dragon Ball movie and, more specifically, M. Night Shymalan's similarly disastrous adaptation of Avatar: The Last Airbender, another piece of animation based on Asian culture that was remade with Caucasian performers:​
The same thing happened with M. Night Shyamalan. He cast his project [The Last Airbender] with non-Asians and it's an Asian story, and the film flopped. I should think that they would learn from that, but I guess big studios go by rote, and the tradition in Hollywood has always been to buy a project, change it completely and flop with it. I think it's pointless, so I thought I would save Warner Bros. a bit of failure by warning them of what will most likely happen if they continue in that vein.


Despite the organized protest against the state of affairs surrounding the casting of AKIRA, it is all based on rumor. Anime News Network reported that Warner Bros. had no comment on the Deadline story, and Robert Pattinson addressed the AKIRA rumor in an interview with MTV News. The actor claimed he was aware of the report but suggested he hadn't seen a script, although he is a fan of the anime and "likes motorbikes."

In his interview with The Advocate, George Takei suggested part of the problem with the AKIRA situation, as it presently appears, is the lack of progress Asian-Americans have made in the entertainment industry as compared to African-Americans.
Can you name one bankable Asian-American star? No. There isn't. You have Denzel Washington, Samuel Jackson. A whole host of them.One can't name a single Asian-American whose name you can take to the bank and get a project financed. We are making headways. I'm not a pessimist. We have made tremendous headways from the time I started in this business in 1957. Asian faces are part of the ensemble in many TV shows playing not roles that are specifically Asian, but playing doctors and detectives. Advances have been made, but we have still not caught up with the African-American achievements.


Given the uncertainty of the situation, it may be too early to condemn Warner Bros. or AKIRA producer Leonardo DiCaprio in a manner as overt as a petition, but there is certainly a lot to fear from a Hollywood adaptation of this beloved Japanese work. We've discussed "colorblind" casting before, most notably with regard to the upcoming Thor film, in which Idris Elba, a British actor of African descent, portrays the Norse deity Heimdall, who in the Marvel comic books was depicted as caucasian.

In such an instance, it seems permissible -- some would argue necessary -- to include at least in supporting roles actors whose appearances reflect the fabric of society, especially when doing so would not detract from the story or the idioms of the characters. Indeed, had Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch not chosen to recast the Caucasian hero Nick Fury as a Samuel L. Jackson lookalike in The Ultimates, there would hardly be any characters of color at all in Marvel Studios' cycle of superhero movies.

While colorblind casting can often add ethnic diversity without detracting from the story, there also exists a regrettable pattern of inadvertently removing racial minorities who are already underpresented -- something that significantly detracts from their overall representation in media. This is particularly true in in comic books whose creators and publishers often replace newer minority heroes with more classic or recognizable versions that as a consequence of time and circumstance tend to be Caucasian.

Given this phenomenon and what George Takei accurately stated about Asian representation in film and television, it does seem a shame to consciously perpetrate such a thing upon AKIRA, which is easily the most iconic Japanese comic book and animated film to ever be released in the United States, and whose explicitly ethnic and cultural truths are at the very core of its story and characters.

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Hell yeah.

Its patronizing and I'm glad more prominent Asian actors are coming out against it. Especially Japanese actors.

I usually never go for the race card for movies but this adaptation is rotten in terms of approach, completely.
 
still not seeing how this is whitewashing...

i think what happened with Prince of Persia or even that movie 21 are worse examples
 
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How is it not the same?

The story is set if Japan, the characters are Japanese, the themes are Japanese based and requires the viewer to at least understand the culture to some degree to really make sense of the story.

How is it any different than Prince of Persia which Iranians should have been disappointed about and as well as the 21 situation as the people who did that were all Asians.

So there is no difference other than that it's set in a fictional future dystopia that takes place in Japan. That doesn't make it any more right for them bastardize because its in the "future".
 
ok as Ive stated tens of times not all the themes are related to being Japanese. But Im not talking about them tranferring it over to America. Im talking about the alleged white washing/racebending/whatever.

Since theyre remaking it and setting it in America I dont really see it as whitewashing. Magnificent Seven wasn't whitewashing Seven Samurai, The Departed wasnt whitewashing Infernal Affairs because the whole locale is changing.
Believe me if they were keeping this in Japan and the whole cast was white I would be b***ing too. I hate it when Hollywood changes races. But really in terms of casting this the only problem that I see is that it's just about as diverse as any other Hollywood film that and they aged up the characters.

For example look at the Prince of Persia. The source material was based in what was called Persia and the movie is still based in Persia, but instead of getting Middle Eastern actors for the role they got people like Jake Gyllenhall and Gemma Arerton. That's whitewashing to me.

EDIT: With 21, both the book and movie are based in America except the book deals with mostly Asian characters and the movie has mostly white characters. When the book is largely biographical, switching the races of a majority of the characters is whitewashing to me
 
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Well, one could ask why do all those actors listed have to be White if the story takes place in New York. This could've been a case of colorblind casting.
 
I dont see an issue with this for two reasons.
1) As was mentioned before this is an adaptation of a story....just like Seven Samurai became Magnificent 7, Wizard of Oz became The Wiz and Dave Chappelle became Charlos Mencia.
2)Who would head line this movie? is there an asian actor who puts butts in seats???
Jet Li or Jackie Chan but I think they might be too old.
 
well I think/wish they would go with an open casting call and get some fresh talent
But with this already going to be 100 mill budget plus, if the fans get what they want, rated R (I doubt it) so an open casting call would be an unnecessary risk for them

Well, one could ask why do all those actors listed have to be White if the story takes place in New York. This could've been a case of colorblind casting.

yeah that's what I mean when I said "it's just as diverse as any Hollywood film"
 
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Looking at the actors on the alleged shortlist, it's pretty clear they want starpower for this movie. Like it or not, most of the big stars in the USA are white. It would be nice if they were doing open casting on the film, but as Blackman said, with the budget this thing is going to have, plus the possibility of an R rating, the studio is going to want to take as little risk as possible with the casting. I might not like all the choices on the short list but I'm not going to deny that a lot of the general audience will recognize them.

The mentality that Anime = Japanese = Asian = only Asians should star in movies based on Anime is really kind of shallow, and it does not take into account just how different it is to be a native Japanese artist in Japan from what it is to be an American of Asian descent. The Japanese do not write their stories from a minority's point of view, because over 90% of their population is native Japanese. The minorities in Japan are "gaijin," or "outsiders"-- essentially, anyone who is not native Japanese. Thus when they write stories about minorities, it's usually from the perspective of Japan's racial default.

America's "racial default" is not Japanese, so it doesn't really come as a surprise that when Americans take Japanese or Asian stories and adapt them to American setting, they change the races of the characters. You can certainly argue that hollywood reaches too often for white actors as their default when making movies based on Asian stories, but if it's a movie like this, The Magnificent 7, or Road to Perdition where the American remake is not even set in Japan, then it's a bit different. It's not like the movie is set in Japan with White actors-- the story has been moved to a completely different continent with a very different racial makeup, and they're not even keeping the original characters' names from what we know.

If you want to take issue with Asian Americans not having enough representation in media, that's a discussion worth having. However, I don't believe at all in blanket statements like "if it's based on an anime, the actors should all be Asian." It's a lot more complicated than that, and considering anime is a product of Japan, and not Asian Americans, I think some people are oversimplifying the issue. If you want a "pure" version of Akira that takes place in Japan with Japanese characters, Japan already made it back in the 80's. This movie is another culture's take on the same story. If it's fair to say that Asians are getting passed over too often in favor of White actors, I think it's also fair to see that some people have unrealistic expectations. Did anyone really expect that an American director was going to go to take 100 million dollars and shoot a movie in Japan, with Japanese actors and a Japanese language script? That kind of thing just doesn't happen, and if they did do it, it would end up being like the old Spaghetti movies where Italian filmmakers would film American actors in Italy speaking English, and then when Americans watch it it looks and sounds off.

BTW, I am still on the fence about this movie-- I'm in the camp that thinks Akira is popular because it was an edgy animated movie released in America at a time when the only animation people knew was Disney, and it also had animation on par with the quality that Disney was putting out. I think putting it in live action is a much bigger risk to its integrity than setting it in America.
 
Looking at the list, I wouldn't really call any of those actors big. Maybe Pattison and Timberlake, but I'm leaning towards no. As we all know, only a handful actors can sell a film on their name alone these days.

I'd like to say that we've come to the point that concepts are what sell films today. Like if we took any big films we've had where race wasn't an essential part of the characters and switched the person with someone of equal acting skill, but a different race, the film would still be as big as it was. We can't really know if that's true, but I'd hope so.

It also would be nice if we came to a point where no one says something sad/hilarious like, "These are American characters/it's made in America, so they have to White!"

I do agree that something anime based doesn't have to have actors with Asian backgrounds. We have to look at the show/film itself to see why casting could be that way. But, with this casting list (and many others for different films), it'd be great if we could see evidence of colorblind casting when race isn't an issue for the character.
 
Looking at the list, I wouldn't really call any of those actors big. Maybe Pattison and Timberlake, but I'm leaning towards no. As we all know, only a handful actors can sell a film on their name alone these days.

When The Amazing Spider-Man is released in 2012, Andrew Garfield, one of the possible choices for the character of Tetsuo, will definitely become a really big name, which is why I think he would be a good pick for that role. From a marketing perspective, it makes perfect sense.

Also, Steve Kloves, the guy who wrote the screenplay for The Amazing Spider-Man, is also writing the screenplay for Akira. I think they chose him for two reasons:

1) The guy helped adapt the Harry Potter books to the big screen, and those are really big books. The Akira volumes are also really long books. I think they want to get someone who has a history of adapting really long books into films.

2) Once The Amazing Spider-Man is released, if the film does well, then Steve Kloves will gain high credibility from being attached to that project. Say people see a preview for Akira in theaters, and the words "From the writer of The Amazing Spider-Man". That will definitely get people interested in the film.

If Warner Bros. plays their cards right, then this film could be very popular.
 
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