WB & DC Meet For A Summit

[charl_huntress]

WB/DC want Superman to fly again...but will he fly.

Is that the latest results of the Summit?

 

[Spade]

In regards to this film: They need to decide on what'll be done, and it should've been done yesterday (which is actually underexaggerating the dead space). This is gonna face some colossal antipathy from the general audience the longer it lingers in development hell. If they still don't know what they're gonna do with this by now, they should call it off and/or start anew.

Frankly, I don't think most people would cry over Singer's vision being discarded. They don't need to be talking about a unified DC Universe without the confidence that this is the Superman people want to see more of.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree. A sequel is a huge risk. TDK did huge this wekend. And Ironman earlier.

I hope the message WB takes is that if they are going to do another Superman film they need to start from scratch and do something different and not seen before. The stars need to be fairly established/multi-talented actors IMO.

I am a Superman fan too but don't want a sequel. Forget the risk finacially. If it did so/so you can wave goodbye to the franchise.

WB had better do another Superman right or not at all IMO.

A sequel would be less of a risk than a re-boot though, a re-boot would probably cost more than SR, were as the sequel will cost less.

After the success of TDK, I really hope Singer and WB get to Man of Steel soon. The movie has huge potential, I do like Singer's overall direction, he just needs to up the entire game on nearly every level.

I dont think he needs to raise the game on every level, i love SR, i think he got the drama and emotion in the movie spot on, its the action scene's and characterisation that need improving IMO.

 

[Spade]

Either way you look at it- sequel or reboot- this won't make as much as Superman Returns. That film rode on reputation to get where it landed. The general audience won't turn out like that again, unless there's a massive shift in tone. For all that effort, they could start anew and rebuild trust in the franchise with a new set of films.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Either way you look at it- sequel or reboot- this won't make as much as Superman Returns. That film rode on reputation to get where it landed. The general audience won't turn out like that again, unless there's a massive shift in tone. For all that effort, they could start anew and rebuild trust in the franchise with a new set of films.

A lot of the general public seemed to like SR though, it won readers awards in both Empire and Total Film, 2 of the biggest and most popular movie magazine's out there, SR even won the 'Best 2006 Movie' award in TF and was voted ahead of the likes of Pan's Labyrinth, Casino Royale, Children Of Men, etc.

If they put a bit more action in there, and maybe another big name star for a villain, i dont see why it cant make more than SR.

 

[Spade]

It won praise in review publications and amongst critics. I wouldn't count that as the voice of the vast movie-going masses, who might not even know that either one of the aforementioned publications exist. Batman Begins made an impression with people in general and its sequel reaps the benefits. Superman Returns, no matter the follow-up, will remain a disappointment that would require more effort that the WB seems willing to contribute to continue. It's not as if Singer has inspired confidence, either- the Tom Cruise vehicle he took in lieu of Man of Steel has had a less-than-sterling cloud hanging over it for some time now.

 

[smoothbody]

It won praise in review publications and amongst critics. I wouldn't count that as the voice of the vast movie-going masses, who might not even know that either one of the aforementioned publications exist. Batman Begins made an impression with people in general and its sequel reaps the benefits. Superman Returns, no matter the follow-up, will remain a disappointment that would require more effort that the WB seems willing to contribute to continue. It's not as if Singer has inspired confidence, either- the Tom Cruise vehicle he took in lieu of Man of Steel has had a less-than-sterling cloud hanging over it for some time now.

totally agree!! a sequel would kill this character & this franchise forever!!

is that song that you have listed,by smashing pumpkins the one playing during the watchman trailor??

 

[Spade]

Yes, it's the track playing during the trailer.

I don't know about killing the franchise- God knows Supes has endured everything from Great-Wall-o-China vision to Superman Blue- but it would be a good financial decision. If their projections weren't met with the last one, you can bet that they're not going to be met with a sequel. However, there doesn't seem to be a genuine love for this version yet. If they rebooted, it could please the male audience that was miffed by Superman Returns without pissing off diehard fans of the last since they're minute in number.

 

[merced]

Yes, it's the track playing during the trailer.

I don't know about killing the franchise- God knows Supes has endured everything from Great-Wall-o-China vision to Superman Blue- but it would be a good financial decision. If their projections weren't met with the last one, you can bet that they're not going to be met with a sequel. However, there doesn't seem to be a genuine love for this version yet. If they rebooted, it could please the male audience that was miffed by Superman Returns without pissing off diehard fans of the last since they're minute in number.

I'd like a reboot but the Hulk proves if anything that a reboot with lots more action, new actors and writers/director is not a guarantee of success.

It may be that audiences just aren't that interested anymore in the Hulk and perhaps Superman.

Ironman was an unknown character yet opening night the lines were around the block and across the street to set it. Opening night for SR the theatres were not near full in my area, Like 70% maybe. That was before the bad buzz kicked in over the weekend.

With Ironman at 315 mil, TDK likely to do better than Ironman, Spidey and X-Men I think Superman can no longer be considered a top tier film superhero. Even though it costs as much to make a Supes film as these others.

With the lawsuit and all my gut tells me WB passes on both a sequel and reboot and moves forward with other characters instead like GL, Flash and WW.

JL is not dead yet either IMO. Its fate is unclear yet with the Avenges due out in 2011 if WB is going to do it they need to get it out in 2010. So I still think JL could be the 2010 tentpole instead of GL or Flash or WW.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It won praise in review publications and amongst critics. I wouldn't count that as the voice of the vast movie-going masses, who might not even know that either one of the aforementioned publications exist. Batman Begins made an impression with people in general and its sequel reaps the benefits. Superman Returns, no matter the follow-up, will remain a disappointment that would require more effort that the WB seems willing to contribute to continue. It's not as if Singer has inspired confidence, either- the Tom Cruise vehicle he took in lieu of Man of Steel has had a less-than-sterling cloud hanging over it for some time now.

Those awards it won were READER's awards, as in not chosen by the magazine's, but voted for by the people who read them, which is a lot. I doubt it would win 'Best 2006 Movie' if it was poorly thought of by the public, who are the one's who voted it for that award.

I;m not saying it was loved by everyone, it clearly wasnt, but within the general public it does have many fans.

 

[smoothbody]

Yes, it's the track playing during the trailer.

I don't know about killing the franchise- God knows Supes has endured everything from Great-Wall-o-China vision to Superman Blue- but it would be a good financial decision. If their projections weren't met with the last one, you can bet that they're not going to be met with a sequel. However, there doesn't seem to be a genuine love for this version yet. If they rebooted, it could please the male audience that was miffed by Superman Returns without pissing off diehard fans of the last since they're minute in number.

i found the track but,it's faster than the one playing during the trailor.also that same song was used for the batman & robin movie!!i have to get that trailor version!!

supes is not the HULK,as much as i loved i.h. a supes reboot would be huge as compared to the hulk reboot!!

 

[Supaman]

Herein lies the problem:

A reboot is TOO RISKY. The Incredible Hulk proved that. But one could argue that Hulk isn't that mainstream of a character. Who can relate to a big green monster? Still though it did give the fans a Hulk movie to be proud of and still made as much money as Ang Lees Hulk.

I think if they kept Bana, Connely, and Elliot for the sequel and did what they did in The Incredible Hulk (as well as released it 2-3 years later) , it would have made more.

People are used to Routh, Bosworth, and Spacey. All 3 can act (the latter very very good) Just give them something to work with. People know Braniac enough for him to be a worthy adversary to bring in the droves. Granted he is nowhere close to being as known as THE JOKER. But Superfans have been waiting for Brainy's big screen debut. So that hype alone could do some decent (maybe not record breaking) numbers.

A Batman reboot was the only way to go after a certain Joel Schumaker film that starred George Clooney. But even then Begins made as much money as Returns...AND Returns did better in DVD sales then Returns. The only thing that ensured a sequel with Begins was the Joker reference and its grit. Factor in Ledgers bottle rocket performance (and death) and you've got Box Office Gold.

So Trust me (and others here as well) when we say that Man Of Steel is the way to go on this one.

But.......

I think they should wait with the rest of their characters. Something tells me that this Superhero boom is about to get old and stale. Marvel exhausted the Superhero movie IMHO. And the only reason TDK is doing so well is because its likened to a GREAT MOVIE that just happens to have Batman and the Joker as characters. It didn't have/require alot of cgi (save Two-Face, and a handfull of other scenes). It was like a regular flick. X-Men/Spidey/FF/and Superman require CGI and such. It starts looking all the same. People are gonna get sick of that soon, which TDK proved IMHO.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Herein lies the problem:

I think they should wait with the rest of their characters. Something tells me that this Superhero boom is about to get old and stale. Marvel exhausted the Superhero movie IMHO. And the only reason TDK is doing so well is because its likened to a GREAT MOVIE that just happens to have Batman and the Joker as characters. It didn't have/require alot of cgi (save Two-Face, and a handfull of other scenes). It was like a regular flick. X-Men/Spidey/FF/and Superman require CGI and such. It starts looking all the same. People are gonna get sick of that soon, which TDK proved IMHO.

That's really the big question for me.

Marvel's pumping out two movies. You add DC in full force into the mix and you are juggling too many real superhero franchises.(hellboy and wanted don't count)

I think you can add maybe one more superhero franchise into the mix per year, but only if you add it into the winter months.

Green Lantern- summer 2010
Man of Steel- Winter 2010

 

[Showtime]

Warner Bros. and DC want Superman to fly again, another Batman is a given, and individual pics for Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Arrow and Green Lantern are being scripted. "Shazam!" was in the works at New Line.

Paul Levitz: The next film after this is "Watchmen" on March 6. It's an adaptation by Zack Snyder, of "300" of what is probably the most acclaimed graphic novel ever published. The trailer is coming out before Dark Knight in most theaters and you can probably find it online. We haven't announced any other projects, but there are about 6 at the starting gate right now.

1) Batman III
2) Superman II
3) Wonder Woman
4) Flash
5) Green Lantern
6) Green Arrow

7) Shazam (New Line)

Maybe...Maybe not.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Oooooooohhhhhhh you tease Show

 

[GreenKToo]

Lol. That does seem the most logical choices.

 

[kyuubijavi1]

all they got to do to make a sequal make loads of money Doomsday

think bout it superman dying, would be one hell of a box office hit and they could even use that movie to inspire every one to get up and fight showing the first glimps of Wonder Woman, Flash and so on. But if they dont do that another great way is make a trailer showing nothing but pure action packed fist fights cars flying and stuff like that. Just give superman some one worth fighting not just Lex again...

 

[kyuubijavi1]

1) Batman III
2) Superman II
3) Wonder Woman
4) Flash
5) Green Lantern
6) Green Arrow

7) Shazam (New Line)

Maybe...Maybe not.

That list sounds about right with all of them together you can even work there way up too a Justice League movie.

 

[AragornKing1]

Thanks for info.

Sure thing.

 

[smoothbody]

all they got to do to make a sequal make loads of money Doomsday

think bout it superman dying, would be one hell of a box office hit and they could even use that movie to inspire every one to get up and fight showing the first glimps of Wonder Woman, Flash and so on. But if they dont do that another great way is make a trailer showing nothing but pure action packed fist fights cars flying and stuff like that. Just give superman some one worth fighting not just Lex again...

i thought the same way but,singer screwed that up by having supes almost dyng in returns.so supes dying now would be silly,no one would care now at this point because we seen it!!

it would be crazy,after a kick azz battle with doomsday he dies,the entire J.L. shows up at the funeral,that would be sick!!

once again singer screwed up

 

[GreenKToo]

I know what i'd do. I'd have Brainiac in M.O.S. as the main villain. With maybe Metallo as a secondary one.

Superman defeats Brainiac at the end, but discovers that he was really answering to a higher power, Darkseid.

Darkseid sent Brainiac to test Earth's defenses. That could lead into either a third Supes film, or a J.L. film.

*IF* (big if) W.B. does want a J.L. film, they could have each of the heroes in their solo films, like G.L., Flash, etc, discovering the news about Darkseid at the end of their respective films, which could of course lead into the J.L. film.

 

[AragornKing1]

1) Batman III
2) Superman II
3) Wonder Woman
4) Flash
5) Green Lantern
6) Green Arrow

7) Shazam (New Line)

Maybe...Maybe not.[/quote


Maybe an announcement is coming in a few days, Show? Maybe? t:

 

[AragornKing1]

i thought the same way but,singer screwed that up by having supes almost dyng in returns.so supes dying now would be silly,no one would care now at this point because we seen it!!

it would be crazy,after a kick azz battle with doomsday he dies,the entire J.L. shows up at the funeral,that would be sick!!

once again singer screwed up

Um, Superman almost dies in every movie. The superhero has to almost die in every movie so the villain is not seen as being weak.

 

[GreenKToo]

Can you imagine a Superman film that shows massive destruction in cities on a scale that we havent seen since ID4?
I think thats what it will take to get the public interested.

 

[DavidTyler]

I absolutely DON'T think a reboot is 'too risky' or any more expensive than what Singer (sometimes in bad judgement - i.e. the total CGI Routh head bullet sequence) spent on SR.

First, the sets can be redressed and reused. If not that direction, then use an actual newsroom. If Collora can make a convincing newsroom on his tiny budget, why would we need something akin to the cavernous DP newsroom of SR?

And a NEW FRIGGIN SUIT can't cost much more than the poorly thought out thing Routh wore. In fact, it can probably be accomplished more cheaply if they stick to the comics and don't have to put some team together to rethink the damn thing.

Everything else is just casting, maybe some Kryptonian costumes, and maybe a CGI Krypton. If a revisit to Krypton, some practicle sets could be built and some minitures. (Remember when Hollywood used to use minitures instead of CGI?)