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I didnt think the fire was that big of a deal. I think JMS purposely made it a small fire in Clark's room on purpose , if it was a gigantic spreading fire that was burning the whole building, i'm sure Clark would have helped put it out. I think JMS wanted to emphasize on the fact that eventhough Clark had these spectacular powers, he was just a regular kid who was confused about his role in life and he wasnt sure if he was ready to be a hero is all. I think he was trying to make this version of Clark more like Peter Parker.
 
While I think a lot of times it is stupid to change a charecters color just to add more diversity, if it were a lesser hero or villan and they actually had a good reason to change them or just did it well I wouldnt mind.
I don't know I think it would be cool to see a black Lex Luthor or Green Arrow or an Asian Flash or something like or to see a Wonder Woman with a more Greek/Italian look.
 
I totally agree that he should have stopped the fire, I should have made that clear in my original post. Sorry. The fire was started because of Clark, he was there and should have done something. I just didn't like the insinuation that Clark would be less of a hero if he only focused on large scale problems and let humanity take care of itself for the most part. Also that it had to be the fault of the younger generation, that didn't make any sense to me.

Oh, okay, as long as we can agree on that. Personally, I like when Superman gets involved on smaller stuff, too, but this mentality makes sense in a way.

Edit: I just re-read the scene, firefighters already had the situation under control when Clark got there. The tenants were being evacuated, no one was in any immediate danger, the fire had been contained to Clark's room and the firefighters were in the process of putting it out. Clark was just preventing his secret from getting out, without retrieving his things he couldn't have stopped the invasion. Could he still have put it out? Of course but saying he was being selfish is blowing it out of proportion.

Ah, okay. Well, that's not that big of a deal of all. I haven't got around to reading it, yet, and must've misunderstood what was being said here.
 
I just read Earth One and I liked it. I thought the artwork was great and JMS has a great grasp on what makes Superman super. I didn't care for the main villain. I thought he looked too much like Silver Banshee and his name, Tyrell, was too unimpressive. It sounds like someone that lives down the street. His origin was okay, though I wish the design had been better.

I think JMS loves that name Tyrell or something because I think it was the name of one of his characters in the aborted B5 movie Memory of Shadows. But anyway, really liked the story. I liked how Jimmy Olsen had balls, how it took Clark a while to get to the Daily Planet and how he tried his hand at other things.

One thing that irked me was when they showed the drills across Earth and they named all these countries and then Africa as if it was just one country. It didn't make sense to list Egypt and then Africa. Egypt is in Africa.
 
Finally got around to reading Superman: Earth One, local library got a copy donated.

Probably the first thing that popped in my mind after reading it is this was way too decompressed. I know it's JMS, and this time in comics is just the standard for that kind of stuff, but this is a 100+ page comic, and I blasted through it in about 10-15 minutes. Tons of pages with little to no dialogue or narration.

Anyway, taking that aside, it was a fairly solid story. Not as good as many are trying to make it out to be, but still not too bad. Davis' art was pretty good (though I kind of wish he and Frank would have swapped EO books). The only thing about his art that seemed weird, and maybe this was just me, but when Clark eventually put on the suit, did Davis draw his face literally different from when he's in normal clothes? I guess having Kryptonion's faces as morphable putty is one way of getting around the 'how does no one notice this!??!?!' complaint, but that's a pretty silly way to go about it, in my opinion. Outside that, though, I did enjoy the art.

Though, as I said, it's not without flaws. The decompressed storytelling makes the beginning of the book drag a lot. The idea of him job seeking is a good one overall, but we didn't need a third of the time it took in the actual book to get what we needed there. Though the writing was generally good, there was times when it became a little too heavy handed and sentimental, like at his father's grave, and it loses some poignancy. The villain is pretty crappy and generic, comes off in a very 'this is a plot device, guys!' way. I guess he's just a set up for a bigger threat, maybe why they used him instead of an actual re-imagined Superman rogue, but he brings the plot down. And finally, seams. I don't understand why anytime a new, 'modernized' suit of these characters are created we have to have these ugly ass steams all over the place. I simply don't get it.

Also, another thing that kind of made me face palm was the reaction to Superman. Yeah, I get it, it's 'realistic', but that kind of reaction to superheroes has become so silly and cliche at this point, it just feels so dumb. 'Oh my God, he saved the planet, but maybe it was all a set-up!', 'Oh yeah, he saved me...oh my God, he's a monster'. Might as well have had someone go 'Oh, they must be shooting a sci-fi movie' when the invasion was happening. Surely, there has to be a way to approach from a different angle, I mean **** the dog, this kind of stuff has been stale for years, maybe even decades, now.

So, in the end, decent enough that I'll give the second volume a chance when/if a local library gets it, but I'm not anticipating it all that much. I'm not entirely sure why people have latched on to this book like they have, but then again, I'll never understand how people are so into Bendis' Avengers tenure, but sales show they obviously are. Of course, I think a lot of people were pretty much set on this being 'the second coming of Superman' well before it hit shelves (and I come to this conclusion based on the fact that so many people had EO avatars and wanted to see stuff from it in the new film months before it actually came out), so maybe that had something to do with it.
 
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Does anyone know the progress of Batman Earth One. I mean Superman Earth One volume 2 is already about to come out soon and we have yet to hear anything about Batman.
 
Finally got around to reading Superman: Earth One, local library got a copy donated.

Probably the first thing that popped in my mind after reading it is this was way too decompressed. I know it's JMS, and this time in comics is just the standard for that kind of stuff, but this is a 100+ page comic, and I blasted through it in about 10-15 minutes. Tons of pages with little to no dialogue or narration.

Anyway, taking that aside, it was a fairly solid story. Not as good as many are trying to make it out to be, but still not too bad. Davis' art was pretty good (though I kind of wish he and Frank would have swapped EO books). The only thing about his art that seemed weird, and maybe this was just me, but when Clark eventually put on the suit, did Davis draw his face literally different from when he's in normal clothes? I guess having Kryptonion's faces as morphable putty is one way of getting around the 'how does no one notice this!??!?!' complaint, but that's a pretty silly way to go about it, in my opinion. Outside that, though, I did enjoy the art.

Though, as I said, it's not without flaws. The decompressed storytelling makes the beginning of the book drag a lot. The idea of him job seeking is a good one overall, but we didn't need a third of the time it took in the actual book to get what we needed there. Though the writing was generally good, there was times when it became a little too heavy handed and sentimental, like at his father's grave, and it loses some poignancy. The villain is pretty crappy and generic, comes off in a very 'this is a plot device, guys!' way. I guess he's just a set up for a bigger threat, maybe why they used him instead of an actual re-imagined Superman rogue, but he brings the plot down. And finally, seams. I don't understand why anytime a new, 'modernized' suit of these characters are created we have to have these ugly ass steams all over the place. I simply don't get it.

Also, another thing that kind of made me face palm was the reaction to Superman. Yeah, I get it, it's 'realistic', but that kind of reaction to superheroes has become so silly and cliche at this point, it just feels so dumb. 'Oh my God, he saved the planet, but maybe it was all a set-up!', 'Oh yeah, he saved me...oh my God, he's a monster'. Might as well have had someone go 'Oh, they must be shooting a sci-fi movie' when the invasion was happening. Surely, there has to be a way to approach from a different angle, I mean **** the dog, this kind of stuff has been stale for years, maybe even decades, now.

So, in the end, decent enough that I'll give the second volume a chance when/if a local library gets it, but I'm not anticipating it all that much. I'm not entirely sure why people have latched on to this book like they have, but then again, I'll never understand how people are so into Bendis' Avengers tenure, but sales show they obviously are. Of course, I think a lot of people were pretty much set on this being 'the second coming of Superman' well before it hit shelves (and I come to this conclusion based on the fact that so many people had EO avatars and wanted to see stuff from it in the new film months before it actually came out), so maybe that had something to do with it.

I dont know why people love this book that much either. I've mentioned this before, but the only real difference between EO and SO/BR is marketing.

Compared to how exciting Ultimate Spider-Man was for the Spider-Man mythos, this is just dull by comparison.
 
I dont know why people love this book that much either. I've mentioned this before, but the only real difference between EO and SO/BR is marketing.

Compared to how exciting Ultimate Spider-Man was for the Spider-Man mythos, this is just dull by comparison.
I disagree. I think this was a great book just like Birthright before it. Secret Origins I didn't care for to much mainly because it was nothing new just Donner's Superman in comic form but I like Earth One because it was fresh and new and different which is something I was hoping for and looking forward too. Plus the art was just an added bonus for me. My only complaint is that the book was too short at least for me it was. I think it is right up there with Ultimate Spider-Man the only difference between the two is that Marvel's Ultimate line is monthly or now bi-monthly while this is every 6 months to a year. Thats where I see the difference because that slowly kills the momentum it has.
 
I disagree. I think this was a great book just like Birthright before it. Secret Origins I didn't care for to much mainly because it was nothing new just Donner's Superman in comic form but I like Earth One because it was fresh and new and different which is something I was hoping for and looking forward too. Plus the art was just an added bonus for me. My only complaint is that the book was too short at least for me it was. I think it is right up there with Ultimate Spider-Man the only difference between the two is that Marvel's Ultimate line is monthly or now bi-monthly while this is every 6 months to a year. Thats where I see the difference because that slowly kills the momentum it has.

What, to you, was so fresh and new and different? Honestly, nothing really struck me as being all that fresh in EO. The mostly negative reaction to superheroes, an alien invasion goading the self-doubting hero into finally taking up the suit, trying to exploit powers for money before becoming the hero, etc. Maybe it's because we've seen Superman's origin tweaked and reworked and rectonned so much, but I can't say there's really anything that jumped out at me as being all that fresh in this take.
 
What, to you, was so fresh and new and different? Honestly, nothing really struck me as being all that fresh in EO. The mostly negative reaction to superheroes, an alien invasion goading the self-doubting hero into finally taking up the suit, trying to exploit powers for money before becoming the hero, etc. Maybe it's because we've seen Superman's origin tweaked and reworked and rectonned so much, but I can't say there's really anything that jumped out at me as being all that fresh in this take.
Well I found the way Krypton was destroyed new and fresh as well as the way Krypton's technology is explained in this story. I loved the way the Kents found Kal-El and that the government has been looking for him since he arrived. I like the way how Superman wasn't self doubting but just didn't want a life alone. As explained in the book he lived his whole life as an outsider and felt alone and now going to Metropolis he had the chance to start over and he could do any and everything he wanted but chose to be a hero. I also liked that the story or origin worked and Lex Luthor was never mentioned even once. What I also loved about the story was the little interview at the end of the book that gave us some insight to Superman's thinking and who he is and I liked the new Jimmy Olsen.. Those are just a few things I found new and refreshing.
 
Well I found the way Krypton was destroyed new and fresh as well as the way Krypton's technology is explained in this story. I loved the way the Kents found Kal-El and that the government has been looking for him since he arrived. I like the way how Superman wasn't self doubting but just didn't want a life alone. As explained in the book he lived his whole life as an outsider and felt alone and now going to Metropolis he had the chance to start over and he could do any and everything he wanted but chose to be a hero. I also liked that the story or origin worked and Lex Luthor was never mentioned even once. What I also loved about the story was the little interview at the end of the book that gave us some insight to Superman's thinking and who he is and I liked the new Jimmy Olsen.. Those are just a few things I found new and refreshing.

I don't know, outside maybe the interview at the end, none of that stuff struck me as all that fresh. Maybe the lack of Luthor, since he tends to pop up in most of Superman's origins, but eh, they're been plenty of Lex-less Superman stories in the past.

Though, I disagree, he definitely was self-doubting about becoming a hero, regardless of the reason (whether doubtful of his abilities or wanting to have another life or whatever). And though he 'chose' to be a hero, it seemed pretty clear that the invasion is what spurred him to become Superman, not just a sense of wanting to be a hero.
 
I don't know, outside maybe the interview at the end, none of that stuff struck me as all that fresh. Maybe the lack of Luthor, since he tends to pop up in most of Superman's origins, but eh, they're been plenty of Lex-less Superman stories in the past.

Though, I disagree, he definitely was self-doubting about becoming a hero, regardless of the reason (whether doubtful of his abilities or wanting to have another life or whatever). And though he 'chose' to be a hero, it seemed pretty clear that the invasion is what spurred him to become Superman, not just a sense of wanting to be a hero.
My thing is we are so use to seeing Superman from a young age always wanting to be a hero that we never saw him (well until Smallville) just wanting to have a normal life and wanting to fit in instead of being the hero we all know he is. That is something I enjoyed because 9 out of 10 anyone with Superman's powers and not knowing the story of Superman would have wanted or done the same thing. I also loved what drew him to working at the Daily Planet as well. See I think people are so use to New Earth Superman that they tend to forget this is a whole different Superman/world in its own and we wont see the Superman we are use to.
 
No, I'm totally aware that this isn't New Earth Superman, but it doesn't mean I have to like everything about this version just because of that. I mean, the whole self-doubting superhero bit just feels so...tired to me. I know there's been instances of Superman doubting himself and not wanting to be a superhero in the mainstream comics, even if not in the origin itself (I think most of his OYL fill-in stuff was based around that), and it never does much for me. And I don't really care all that much about 'realism' in superhero comics.
 
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Okay, I didn't even dislike Earth One, but I've been reading this series of articles from this dude comparing Earth One with All-Star and it's...very interesting.

http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com/2010/11/making-sense-of-straczynski-daviss.html
http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com/2010/11/truth-what-straczynski-daviss-superman.html
http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com/2010/11/stick-together-what-straczynski-daviss.html
http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com/2010/11/brain-beats-brawn-what-straczynski.html

Mr Straczynski has his take on "Clark Kent" express some fascinating if ill-considered beliefs about the responsibilities of being a superhero at the end of "Superman: Earth One". These are expressed in some considerable detail in the "interview" that young Mr Kent fabricates with "Superman" in order to get a job as a reporter with The Daily Planet (125);

"Clark": Why did you wait so long before revealing yourself?

"Superman": Wasn't any reason to do so earlier. What I can do wasn't needed then.

It's a fascinating insight into Kent's mind, and into Mr Straczynski's as well. For even if we credit that there was no reason for Clark to become a public figure before Tyrell's invasion, we surely have to concede that there was no shortage of people that greatly needed his help either. The world is full to bursting with people who need the assistance of a Superman, even if that super man is a hero who acts in secret and seeks neither fame nor reward. Yet Clark had clearly never thought to help others before he helped save himself in the fight with Tyrell. If he had, he'd've declared that he'd been working secretly before to help his fellow women and men. But he didn't, because he hadn't been. And in truth, this Clark Kent seems incapable of grasping that he might have used his secret super powers without trying to occupy the limelight. This will explain why we're never shown a single example of Clark helping a single person in the slightest way before he belatedly joins the punch-up against Tyrell. For there's not a panel of evidence in the whole of "Earth One" that this Clark had ever so much as saved a kitten from behind a cupboard before the alien invasion inspired such compassionate ideals as "actually helping folks" to become reality. Although it seems beyond imagining that anybody could be so dense, or stupid, or callous, the simple idea of helping others never occurred to Clark, or showing him doing so never occurred to Mr Straczynski. In truth, the only times we ever see Clark using his super-powers prior to the second when he pulls his costume on are those moments when he's fooling folks into giving him money.
Very interesting.

The site has some pretty good articles in general, even on stuff like JMS' Thor and Johns' Blackest Night. It's a bit...what's the word?...academic? Overthought? But I've been enjoying them.
 
What i saw of Earth one batman seems good but i think that instead of superman earth one they should have used birthright, who was much better.
 
Used it how? Like, as the basis for the EO continuity?
 
make it part of the EO universe.
EO superman could have been some king of sequel to it.
 
What i saw of Earth one batman seems good but i think that instead of superman earth one they should have used birthright, who was much better.
Birthright would have been fine had DC stuck to the course and kept it as their start to their "Ultimate DC" line as it was intended to be instead of folding it into the main series continuity.
 
I got it in the mail today. :) I liked it. I think the only problem I really had was that no one questioned how or why Clark managed to get an interview with Superman that fast after an alien invasion. I hope they pursue more books in this universe.
 
I finally read Earth One, and while I did enjoy the book it's certainly not without its flaws. Things happen too quickly, too suddenly. There's very little breathing room for the characters, and in particular plenty of them suffer from "telling not showing."

Still, I would like to see this universe continue, with Batman and more Superman books. I'd love to know more about the destruction of Krypton.
 
Also, another thing that kind of made me face palm was the reaction to Superman. Yeah, I get it, it's 'realistic', but that kind of reaction to superheroes has become so silly and cliche at this point, it just feels so dumb. 'Oh my God, he saved the planet, but maybe it was all a set-up!', 'Oh yeah, he saved me...oh my God, he's a monster'. Might as well have had someone go 'Oh, they must be shooting a sci-fi movie' when the invasion was happening. Surely, there has to be a way to approach from a different angle, I mean **** the dog, this kind of stuff has been stale for years, maybe even decades, now.

I don't even think that's especially realistic. I mean, I would assume a super powered do-gooder would get a very mixed reaction, but that's kind of my point: mixed. There would be just as many people who are scared of him as there would be people dropping to their knees and proclaiming him to the the second coming. And there would be even more people who are simply wearily distrustful of him or think he's really cool but a complete shock to the system.
 
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I mean just speaking for myself but I don't think I'd even start having an actual coherent reaction for a good couple of days after that one.
 
Yeah I think the "realistic" reaction to a real-live superhero would be WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****WHATTHE****

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I mean just speaking for myself but I don't think I'd even start having an actual coherent reaction for a good couple of days after that one.

Well, yeah. But in terms of society as a whole, and the media especially, I thionk there'd be a wide array of reactions and opinions.
 
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