The Dark Knight What 'departures from canon' are not acceptable to you?

[Tojo]

So Batman Begins was quite a departure from the Batman mythos-Joe Chill, Ducard/Ra's, Ra's training Bruce, Rachel Dawes and quite a few more.

I often hear fans complaining about how Begins was some sort of bastardisation of the comics in terms of these changes. I, however, couldn't give a damn about faithfulness in these terms, aslong as it betters what is already there.

So with that in mind, will you mind if Nolan, for instance, changes the Jokers origins, or anything else for that matter? I don't care about traditions personally, and would be happy for him to do whatever he wants if he sees fit.

 

[Crooklyn]

There's a lot of things I wouldn't like, but I know one thing. If Nolan dares change Joker from anything but white skin, green hair, and red lips....he'll get tons of hell for it.

 

[Tojo]

I wouldn't even mind if Joker has white skin and dark green hair, but put's bright red lipstick on to complete the illusion. infact i think that'd be creepy.

 

[Bat-Hombre]

If Mr Nolan makes the villains "realistic".

 

[DA Harvey Dent]

As long as the Joker's aptitudes include science, chemistry, and art I'm happy.

 

[Tojo]

If Mr Nolan makes the villains "realistic".

oops, looks like you lost this one.

 

[Tojo]

What about Dent? Or anything else?

 

[Crooklyn]

I wouldn't even mind if Joker has white skin and dark green hair, but put's bright red lipstick on to complete the illusion. infact i think that'd be creepy.

Oh, I wouldn't mind that at all. I guess the "white skin" would be the one thing that has to be *natural*. I couldn't care less if the hair is dyed and red lipstick is involved.

 

[Nivek]

So Batman Begins was quite a departure from the Batman mythos-Joe Chill,....

Um, Joe Chill killing his parents a departure? Outside of Burtons flick and the "Have you ever danced with the Devil in the pale Moonlight" twist, he's Canon.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

So Batman Begins was quite a departure from the Batman mythos-Joe Chill, Ducard/Ra's, Ra's training Bruce, Rachel Dawes and quite a few more.

What about Joe Chill was a departure from canon? Just for clarification.

I often hear fans complaining about how Begins was some sort of bastardisation of the comics in terms of these changes. I, however, couldn't give a damn about faithfulness in these terms, aslong as it betters what is already there.

So with that in mind, will you mind if Nolan, for instance, changes the Jokers origins, or anything else for that matter? I don't care about traditions personally, and would be happy for him to do whatever he wants if he sees fit.

It's hard to define what makes an acceptable change vs. an unacceptable one for me.

I can handle characters' origins being different. I can handle new characters. What bothers me is if it makes the characters too different. There's a line and I'm not sure where that line is drawn. I mean, for instance, in Batman Returns, Penguin was not really the Penguin. He was PINO. And in Schumacher's films, none of the villains were handled properly. Absolutely none of them.

And yet with Begins, with Scarecrow and Ra's both significantly altered... they still FELT right. Just as Batman, though his origin was altered a bit, still felt like himself.

I guess what I'm saying is, it comes down to characterization.

 

[Tojo]

by Chill i mean the whole Bruce knowing who it was and planning to kill him; and then Chill dying etc.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

by Chill i mean the whole Bruce knowing who it was and planning to kill him; and then Chill dying etc.

Ahh, well then yes.

Chill being killed by the mob is canon, though, Pre-Crisis; but not for the reasons shown in the film.

 

[myname]

Im not and would not be too excitied about the idea that the Joker is the one that scars Dent in court. i'd ike to se it as a huge mob payback that takes advantage of inside men like in Long Halloween. The Joker could just do it because hes wants to even if he had no baf with the DA.

 

[Rynan]

So with that in mind, will you mind if Nolan, for instance, changes the Jokers origins, or anything else for that matter? I don't care about traditions personally, and would be happy for him to do whatever he wants if he sees fit.

One, The Joker WILL look like this. It's pratically guaranteed.

Simplicity at times pays off more. This is one of those times.


Second, in regards of his origin, there is NO definate origin for him, except from the tidbits gathered from various Batman issues(I fully throw out TKJ as origin). All that can be safely assumed is that it involved some form of chemical bath unless he was born that way(which I doubt). One thing I can say for sure is that if they do give him an origin, I DO NOT WANT TO SYMPHATHIZE WITH HIM. No affinity. Nothing. Zip. Zelch. Nada. I don't even want a scrap of pity for that murdering sociopath. Wither it was irony or not, he DESERVED to get turned into a crazed clown, a freak of nature. It's a reflection of his true self.

 

[wikum]

I have none as long as the changes help the character/film to be better.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I agree with Rynan.

One thing that would be completely unacceptable would be a departure from Joker's chalk white skin, red lips, and green hair. If any of that is changed, Nolan will have hell to pay. But I trust none of that will happen.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

One, The Joker WILL look like this. It's pratically guaranteed.

Simplicity at times pays off more. This is one of those times.


Second, in regards of his origin, there is NO definate origin for him, except from the tidbits gathered from various Batman issues(I fully throw out TKJ as origin). All that can be safely assumed is that it involved some form of chemical bath unless he was born that way(which I doubt). One thing I can say for sure is that if they do give him an origin, I DO NOT WANT TO SYMPHATHIZE WITH HIM. No affinity. Nothing. Zip. Zelch. Nada. I don't even want a scrap of pity for that murdering sociopath. Wither it was irony or not, he DESERVED to get turned into a crazed clown, a freak of nature. It's a reflection of his true self.

I think I agree with all of that post.

I also think that's the way it's gonna be in the movie... I mean, I think you'll get your wish.

 

[myname]

I agree completely with Rynan about the Joker's orgin. Im sure there will be Bruce flashbacks as well as a Dent backstory, the Joker just needs to let everyone make their own assumptions about where he came from. This shouldnt make Batman look like an ineffective detective but he should focus more on the Joker's motive or pattern of crimes if there is any.

 

[Rynan]

Im not and would not be too excitied about the idea that the Joker is the one that scars Dent in court. i'd ike to se it as a huge mob payback that takes advantage of inside men like in Long Halloween. The Joker could just do it because hes wants to even if he had no baf with the DA.

The Joker, angry at Batman for ruining his revenge, needs to lash out at someone. So why not Harvey, Batman's friend and an accomplice in his defeat? He's there, so why not put the hurt on Gordon and Batman by killing him(or attempting to kill him) and make him feel better in the process. And it needs to be graphic and memorable, so why not mar the Gotham's golden attorney with visage destroying acid. It would be a long and painful death as the solvent desolves his face. Even if he survives, he would be a sight to behold. A worthy message to all who would dare cross The Joker.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

The Joker, angry at Batman for ruining his revenge, needs to lash out at someone. So why not Harvey, Batman's friend and an accomplice in his defeat? He's there, so why not put the hurt on Gordon and Batman by killing him(or attempting to kill him) and make him feel better in the process. And it needs to be graphic and memorable, so why not mar the Gotham's golden attorney with visage destroying acid. It would be a long and painful death as the solvent desolves his face. Even if he survives, he would be a sight to behold. A worthy message to all who would dare cross The Joker.

Exactly. And then Two-Face can set out to get revenge on the Joker, and Batman gets stuck in the awkward position of having to protect the Joker.

How twisted is that?

 

[Miranda Fox]

Exactly. And then Two-Face can set out to get revenge on the Joker, and Batman gets stuck in the awkward position of having to protect the Joker.

How twisted is that?

Very, And, IMO, totally awesome.

I never understood - despite the obvious diversion from canon - why people were so against the idea that Joker scars Dent. It creates so many possibilities.

 

[Crooklyn]

Because inter-connecting villains with the heroes is pretty "convenient". Not to mention overdone.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'm not a stickler for faithfulness unless the changes really ruin a character like Doom in F4 or Juggernaut in X3,my only concern is with how joker is portrayed and i hope to god he doesn't kill Rachel,the rest im certain will be fine

 

[Rynan]

Exactly. And then Two-Face can set out to get revenge on the Joker, and Batman gets stuck in the awkward position of having to protect the Joker.

How twisted is that?

I don't want anything like Batman being forced to carry The Joker from roof top to roof top, with comedic banter between them. I'd rather Batman leave him in Arkham, in solitary, under heavy guard.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Very, And, IMO, totally awesome.

I never understood - despite the obvious diversion from canon - why people were so against the idea that Joker scars Dent. It creates so many possibilities.

Agreed. It's not like it's out of character for Joker to throw acid on somebody... or out of character for Harvey to get hit with acid, for that matter.