The Amazing Spider-Man 2 What Did You Not Like?(Spoilers!!!)

[Doctor Jones]

HAHAHAHA!!! My god, Doc, that's probably the best thing you've ever posted.

Doctor Jones, I may not agree with some of your points but that was fabulous to read!

Doctor Jones, I enjoyed this movie greatly and don't agree with a lot of what you stated, but that was an awesome read. Thank you for posting.

Doctor Jones, that was a really great review. I review with most of your points on the film's problem.

I disagree about Electro though, sometimes I like my villain to be petty, and Electro is petty

Strongly agree about Peter not giving the blood to Harry. He might be right that the blood will be misused, but damn it, Peter should have done more. He practically gave up on his best friend immediately.

Doctor Jones, that post should be framed and hung on top of the forum for all to see

Thank you all. This has been in my system since Friday. I feel much better now. Yet the film is still here so take that for what you will.

I'm also surprised the whole "I'm the only one that can be Spider-Man" aspect is not getting more backlash. I remember when this forum went wild when Sandman was connected to Uncle Ben's killer in SM3. This is much worse.

What pisses me off more is the regenerative powers.

Um. What? Where was this mentioned before?? I mean he said it like it's always been there. For plot convenience of course.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Really? See, I like Webb. I feel like he has a good grasp on the character. Though, truthfully, I don't know how the making of the film actually went so Webb might very well be a huge fault, I dunno. But there's no doubt that Sony is the biggest evil here. I'm just so...ugh. This film had such potential. And they mucked it up. Ergh.

I'd say everyone is to blame. If the original cut was three hours I think that's your first problem. The script comes down to the director and/or the studio. Being that there seemed to be too many cooks in the kitchen it was pretty apparent things were not smoothed over.

I cut Webb slack last time. Whereas in the last film it did indeed looked more studio mandated to appeal to a post TDK crowd. Here, the style and tone were very different. It looked like Webb had more free reign with the feel. More fun, and more Spider-Man. So by that logic, is it reasonable to conclude he had more control over things? I highly doubt the universe building stuff but the details of the screenplay. Studios go through multiple writers all the time. Orci and Kurtzman were the very first. So who ****ing knows what their screenplay looked like.

But in terms of the directing, yeah my above mentioned complaints remain. The boring cinematography, the terrible Peter/Gwen scenes, even the CGI… it got to the point where I stopped believing in a weighted swinging character and just a go to CGI double. Ebert hit the nail on the head in his first two Spider-Man film reviews. Maybe like Raimi, Webb tried to salvage a bad script, but you know what, Raimi had two great Spider-Man films he directed. Webb had a mediocre and a bad one. I just say flush it all out. Though that won't happen. I'd be saying the same if Raimi made a bad fourth film.

This should have just been about Electro. Introducing Harry was fine, but build on that relationship. My God, a flashback wouldn't have killed ya.

 

[Hurm...]

I'd say everyone is to blame. If the original cut was three hours I think that's your first problem. The script comes down to the director and/or the studio. Being that there seemed to be too many cooks in the kitchen it was pretty apparent things were not smoothed over.

I cut Webb slack last time. Whereas in the last film it did indeed looked more studio mandated to appeal to a post TDK crowd. Here, the style and tone were very different. It looked like Webb had more free reign with the feel. More fun, and more Spider-Man. So by that logic, is it reasonable to conclude he had more control over things? I highly doubt the universe building stuff but the details of the screenplay. Studios go through multiple writers all the time. Orci and Kurtzman were the very first. So who ****ing knows what their screenplay looked like.

But in terms of the directing, yeah my above mentioned complaints remain. The boring cinematography, the terrible Peter/Gwen scenes, even the CGI… it got to the point where I stopped believing in a weighted swinging character and just a go to CGI double. Ebert hit the nail on the head in his first two Spider-Man film reviews. Maybe like Raimi, Webb tried to salvage a bad script, but you know what, Raimi had two great Spider-Man films he directed. Webb had a mediocre and a bad one. I just say flush it all out. Though that won't happen. I'd be saying the same if Raimi made a bad fourth film.

This should have just been about Electro. Introducing Harry was fine, but build on that relationship. My God, a flashback wouldn't have killed ya.

I actually think now they're trying to appeal to the post-Avengers crowd through the aesthetics and with the introduction of Sinister Six. Sony is just riding the trends.

 

[chaseter]

Doctor Jones, PhD of pwn

 

[Doctor Jones]

Oh, of course. It's not even subtle anymore. At least with DOFP it looks like a story worth telling. It's definitely a post Avengers event film, but it doesn't just look like that.

It's awful. I remember when this reboot was announced and people were saying they wished it failed. Then Ace of Knaves laughed and asked what kind of a fan you were for wanting your favorite superhero to fail. I agreed with that. I'd support Spider-Man no matter what. But you know what? If something this bad keeps getting made and it won't get any better than this, then like I said, cut the umbilical cord. Do what Nick Fury had to do with SHIELD in Cap 2. Sometimes you just gotta let what you love go.

 

[venom892]

I actually think now they're trying to appeal to the post-Avengers crowd through the aesthetics and with the introduction of Sinister Six. Sony is just riding the trends.

which to me is the biggest crime. Spidey should be the trend setter not chasing them.

 

[Par Avion]

Where to begin.

- Spider-Dad action. A stupid subplot nobody really truly cared about to begin with is brushed off in the opening sequence. Proving that it was a mistake to include this in the first place.

Yes, the parents subplot never interested me- and it turns out that this film robs Spider-Man of one of the things that makes him truly special by making him now "the chosen one". Totally missed the mark.

- The chase while fun at times is hampered by Spider-Man's constant joking. This is what I've been talking about for years here. You joke so much, (which Spider-Man seemed to do most of the time here) I can't take him seriously as a hero. It's just one of those things that works better in the comics. It doesn't help with the directing and writing and acting.

There was a reason Raimi limited the quipping. Despite fanboy protests to the contrary, the guy knows what he's doing, what works and what doesn't...but to the fanboys, "NOOOOOO, he doesn't understand teh character because no quipping!" It robs moments of drama or peril.

- Andrew Garfield. He has it in him to be an incredible Peter Parker. But he just isn't Peter Parker in these movies. He's a sulking prick who seems stuck only on one person. I've seen him more Peter Parker like outside these movies than in them. The Social Network and Boy A. Those prove that with the proper director and script, he can be great. But that is never lived up to.

Hi characters in Boy A and the Social Network are SO much more like Peter Parker than anything portrayed in the TASM films. Excellent observation. The guy is a terrific actor with a knack for sensitive/complex characters, and a great physicality.

- What should have been the B plot was the A plot. What was Peter's problem in this movie? I guess it was Gwen since she would die. But that does not mean you make it all about that. Make Peter stand on his own two feet and give him an independent journey that's confluent with the rest of the film and Gwen. There just was no focus. There was no clear discernible problem for Peter that tested him and made him grow as a human being to be a better hero. Spider-Man 3 with all its faults, at least had an honest to God central theme and journey for Peter to go on.

Bingo. Things just continuously happen to Peter and he reacts to them. To quote David Mamet:

“The essence of drama is that a character wants something desperately. The audience will watch to see if he or she gets it.”

Classic desire/obstacle formula that serves films like this well. In this movie, I guess we could say that he wanted desperately to be with Gwen- but then decides not to be with her, but then decides to be with her...I dunno. There was no clear narrative thread driving this film.

I guess we can say that Peter learned...what? Responsibility? Wasn't he meant to have learned that after Ben died? And Captain Stacy? So now Gwen's dead...what has he ACTUALLY learned in the span of two films?

- Stone - would have made a much better MJ. She's just Emma Stone doing what Emma Stone does. But blonde. Except she's blonde now, so I guess she's just Emma Stone.

Emma Stone is a perfectly fine actress, but much like George Clooney, she often plays the same types over and over. I've heard the criticism that she is more of a personality than an outright actress.

 

[Visualiza]

Oh, of course. It's not even subtle anymore. At least with DOFP it looks like a story worth telling. It's definitely a post Avengers event film, but it doesn't just look like that.

It's awful. I remember when this reboot was announced and people were saying they wished it failed. Then Ace of Knaves laughed and asked what kind of a fan you were for wanting your favorite superhero to fail. I agreed with that. I'd support Spider-Man no matter what. But you know what? If something this bad keeps getting made and it won't get any better than this, then like I said, cut the umbilical cord. Do what Nick Fury had to do with SHIELD in Cap 2. Sometimes you just gotta let what you love go.

You're killing it right now Doc; I couldn't agree more.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

 

[Spooderman]

Wait so peter has regenerative powers? So he can regrow limbs like the Lizard?

 

[Par Avion]

^ Excellent

 

[Visualiza]

Spoiler

 

[Gunga Diner]

I'm relieved that Doctor Jones and Hypestyle aren't just fanboy nitpicking- they're pointing out serious problems with the story construction of this movie.

I feel like the only reason this new series has any goodwill with people is because of Andrew and Emma's onscreen chemistry. What the hell is this series going to do in the next movie without that?

 

[Visualiza]

I'm relieved that Doctor Jones and Hypestyle aren't just fanboy nitpicking- they're pointing out serious problems with the story construction of this movie.

I feel like the only reason this new series has any goodwill with people is because of Andrew and Emma's onscreen chemistry. What the hell is this series going to do in the next movie without that?

Hopefully start telling good stories and properly developing all of it's characters, whether main, supporting, antagonist, or otherwise.

I have my doubts, though, and that's being kind.

 

[Gunga Diner]

It's kinda crazy that this got cut. How has Peter not been caught by Oscorp? How was breaking into a high-security supercorporation like Oscorp, stealing their tech, and getting bitten by one of their spiders something that this clumsy skateboarding teenager could get in and out undetected? Does Oscorp see this dude in red and blue tights flyin around the city using their stuff and not care?

How is Peter getting the webbing? Is he stealing it? Is that easy? Is he buying it? Is it cheap?

With that scene being cut from the movie, we have to assume that Oscorp has NO IDEA that Peter has been totally undetected by the most evil and powerful corporation in the world.

 

[Gunga Diner]

Hopefully start telling good stories and properly developing all of it's characters, whether main, supporting, antagonist, or otherwise.

I have my doubts, though, and that's being kind.

How about any?

 

[Visualiza]

How about any?

Touché.

 

[Human Torch]

 

[Golgo-13]

I'm also surprised the whole "I'm the only one that can be Spider-Man" aspect is not getting more backlash. I remember when this forum went wild when Sandman was connected to Uncle Ben's killer in SM3. This is much worse.

Are you referring to what Richard Parker said pertaining to his own DNA/bloodline in reference to the spiders he created? If so, i actually liked this part because i've always hated the fact (in the Raimi movies) that if anyone is bitten they could potential become a Spider-person, as seeing as how many people have handled those spiders, it seems quite possible that it could happen.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm relieved that Doctor Jones and Hypestyle aren't just fanboy nitpicking- they're pointing out serious problems with the story construction of this movie.

I feel like the only reason this new series has any goodwill with people is because of Andrew and Emma's onscreen chemistry. What the hell is this series going to do in the next movie without that?

For anyone who has time, I recommend checking out Film Critic Hulk's view on this movie. It's a very long read, but totally worth it because he articulates all of the serious problems with the movie better than I could ever put down. I was blown away by how on ****ing point it is.

And about Garfield and Stone. They just don't cut it for me. Like them being adorable and cute it suppose to make their chemistry completely work for me. Again, that chemistry is undermined by the bad writing and directing. Just think if they were given Alvin Sargent's words and Raimi's direction, then things would be pretty damn special.

Are you referring to what Richard Parker said pertaining to his own DNA/bloodline in reference to the spiders he created? If so, i actually liked this part because i've always hated the fact (in the Raimi movies) that if anyone is bitten they could potential become a Spider-person, as seeing as how many people have handled those spiders, it seems quite possible that it could happen.

Wait, to be clear, you don't like the fact that anyone could have spider powers?

If so, that's odd. Because that was always the point of Peter to me. It just makes Peter more of the everyman because out of all the everymen in the world, the spider happened to bite Peter Parker. With these films, it just makes it exclusive. It takes away the whole identifiable aspect of what has made Peter so endearing since his inception. Like he owns it, therefore, making his ownership of refusing to let Harry have his blood makes him look even more selfish.

 

[Venomfan]

Because Spider-Man has regenerative powers? When the **** has Spider-Man EVER had regenerative powers. Well HE DOES NOW!

he actually does have advanced healing in the comics, so i liked that they mentioned it

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

he actually does have advanced healing in the comics, so i liked that they mentioned it

yeah i was gonna say, i dunno anything about the comics but the wikipedia lists that he has a regenerative healing factor. i imagine it is not as rapid as wolverine's but he heals faster than the average human (hence, superhuman heals)

 

[Guts]

We can see the unibrow that harry mentioned.

 

[Human Torch]

I was kinda put off by the several slow-mo action scenes we had.The Times Square one in particular was pretty annoying.

 

[Golgo-13]

The excessive slo-mo shots, especially in the time square scene where spidey saves the people from being electrocuted. The slo-mo of the camera showing us every single persons hand, just dragged on and on and on….