The Amazing Spider-Man 2 What Did You Not Like?(Spoilers!!!)

[Golgo-13]

Maybe i'm in the minority here but did it bother anyone that Harry asked Peter to ask Spider-Man to give him his blood, simply based off the fact that Peter took a picture of Spider-Man, lol?

I mean here you have a nobody, Parker, who explains to Harry that he simply caught a pic of Spider-Man, as thousands of NY'esr probably do all the time, yet Harry feels the need to have Peter find him, despite having million of dollars worth of resources at his own finger tips…..

 

[Warhammer]

Maybe i'm in the minority here but did it bother anyone see that Harry asked Peter to ask Spider-man to give him his blood, simply based off the fact that Peter took a picture of Spider-Man, lol?

I mean here you have a nobody, Parker, who explains to Harry that he simply caught a pic of Spider-Man, as thousands of NY'er probably do all the time, yet Harry feels the need to have Peter find him, despite having million of dollars worth of resources at his own finger tips…..

I thought the same thing. I was in the theater like "Seriously?" It was an oddly convenient to get Peter and Harry at odds.

 

[Warhammer]

Pretty much everything other than the Peter/Gwen dynamic, Spidey (in general) and the visuals.

• Very disappointed in Electro, a character that I've wanted to see in live action for some time. Hammy, silly reason for villainy and no depth. Acquiring his powers actually fixed the gap in his teeth. Are there new developments in dentistry I don't know about?
• Jarring editing.
• Musical accompaniment that just seems out of place at times.
• The fast forward button being pressed on the Goblin angle.
• Why even bother with Felicia? No development. No hinting at anything further. She wouldn't have meant anything at all to anyone if we didn't know who she was.
• Kafka. Ugh.
• Harry really walked up into Oscorp and got the drop on two security personnel like that? Exactly what are they teaching at that boarding school?
• Rhino is kinda a clod, even for Rhino.
• The film can't seem to make up it's mind on if it wants to be cheery, inspiring, mature or corny. It's not an issue in and of itself to juggle these aspects, but the way it was done here left me cold.

I'm sure there's more. Surprisingly, I don't hate the entire work. Maybe some of this stuff will grow on me. ...nah.

Pretty much all of this. I'll also add this.

• The ending was corny as hell. I understand that they didn't want Spider-Man to end on a depressing note but damn, I left out of the theater irritated.

 

[Golgo-13]

Pretty much everything other than the Peter/Gwen dynamic, Spidey (in general) and the visuals.

• Very disappointed in Electro, a character that I've wanted to see in live action for some time. Hammy, silly reason for villainy and no depth. Acquiring his powers actually fixed the gap in his teeth. Are there new developments in dentistry I don't know about?
• Jarring editing.
• Musical accompaniment that just seems out of place at times.
• The fast forward button being pressed on the Goblin angle.
• Why even bother with Felicia? No development. No hinting at anything further. She wouldn't have meant anything at all to anyone if we didn't know who she was.
• Kafka. Ugh.
• Harry really walked up into Oscorp and got the drop on two security personnel like that? Exactly what are they teaching at that boarding school?
• Rhino is kinda a clod, even for Rhino.
• The film can't seem to make up it's mind on if it wants to be cheery, inspiring, mature or corny. It's not an issue in and of itself to juggle these aspects, but the way it was done here left me cold.

I'm sure there's more. Surprisingly, I don't hate the entire work. Maybe some of this stuff will grow on me. ...nah.

Was that really Felicia Hardy though? In the credits' she's just 'Felicia'. Plus the actresses portrayal in this seemed too demur to be Felicia Hardy imo…..

 

[Shikamaru]

Outside of small nitpicks here and there, the only major problem I had was Electro. I didn't think he was horrible, but he felt very two-dimensional in a lot of places. He could have used more screen time and been developed further. Particularly in the second act where he just disappears for most of the movie. That whole scene with Electro and Harry was a bit rushed. They were acting as if Electro was constantly developed throughout the film, but he really wasn't.

Other than that, I think the pros far outweigh the cons. I thought it was a great movie.

Maybe i'm in the minority here but did it bother anyone that Harry asked Peter to ask Spider-Man to give him his blood, simply based off the fact that Peter took a picture of Spider-Man, lol?

I mean here you have a nobody, Parker, who explains to Harry that he simply caught a pic of Spider-Man, as thousands of NY'esr probably do all the time, yet Harry feels the need to have Peter find him, despite having million of dollars worth of resources at his own finger tips…..

Peter took multiple pictures of Spider-Man. He had a track record always being there and getting perfect shots, so Harry assumed Peter could contact Spider-Man.

Also, Oscorp had to cover up all their illegal experiments after the Lizard attack. If Harry went to anyone at Oscorp and told them his theory, especially to Donald Menken, they would have wanted in on it or would have taken it from Harry for their own agenda. And as the film established at the beginning, Harry didn't like or trust anyone from Oscorp.

 

[Visualiza]

Maybe i'm in the minority here but did it bother anyone that Harry asked Peter to ask Spider-Man to give him his blood, simply based off the fact that Peter took a picture of Spider-Man, lol?

I mean here you have a nobody, Parker, who explains to Harry that he simply caught a pic of Spider-Man, as thousands of NY'esr probably do all the time, yet Harry feels the need to have Peter find him, despite having million of dollars worth of resources at his own finger tips…..

I felt the same way, but in all fairness, it was just as stupid in Spider-Man 2 with Ock/Harry's hairbrained plan.

In this movie it felt a lot more abrupt, however, like the shoddy script was speaking to the audience rather than the characters.

 

[daddydivine]

Hated Electro until the final act. He was on Batman Forever levels before he became a villain.

The friendship with Harry and Peter was forced. It definitely was rushed to move the plot along.

Wanted to see more of a unstoppable Rhino character. I know he's dumb in the comics but he's powerful and dumb.

Other than that I liked the movie. I think this is the greatest depiction of spiderman ever in a movie.

 

[Par Avion]

I felt the same way, but in all fairness, it was just as stupid in Spider-Man 2 with Ock/Harry's hairbrained plan.

In this movie it felt a lot more abrupt, however, like the shoddy script was speaking to the audience rather than the characters.

Bingo. The Jameson reference and the Spider-Man ringtone also relied on this. Shoving references that rely on the collective consciousness rather than through decent storytelling. Feels like lazy, halfhearted storytelling to me.

The plan in SM2 was a little silly-the car through the window bit particularly- but at least it made logical sense given where the characters were and what they knew up to that point. The super-blood plot point was just as ridiculous as it was in Star Trek into Darkness.

 

[Golgo-13]

Hated Electro until the final act. He was on Batman Forever levels before he became a villain.



Wanted to see more of a unstoppable Rhino character. I know he's dumb in the comics but he's powerful and dumb.

The Rhino has gone toe to toe with the Hulk on numerous occasions; this Rhino looks like the Hulk would tear him to bits in seconds...

 

[Nicko-Ray]

After seeing it 3 times, I wanted to add that although the action was way better this time around, I wanted to see more showcase of Spidey in combat. Idk. Just more interesting things and ways to show how he fights.

 

[Mister J]

Pretty much all of this. I'll also add this.

• The ending was corny as hell. I understand that they didn't want Spider-Man to end on a depressing note but damn, I left out of the theater irritated.

Certainly heavy-handed. Seems like they could have gotten the point across with the montage during/after Aunt May's and Gwen's speeches and just had him swing into action. It irritated me more that you could see how that scene was going to play coming from a mile away after some time in the film. It was little more than a cameo. Why incorporate him into the marketing? Reminds me of Angel in X3.

Was that really Felicia Hardy though? In the credits' she's just 'Felicia'. Plus the actresses portrayal in this seemed too demur to be Felicia Hardy imo…..

If the producers/Webb/whoever chimes in that "it may or may not be Felicia Hardy", I'd be insulted. You cast a female with that name, who has ties to Oscorp (which might as well be renamed VillainCorp) and then wuss out or pretend like people who are familiar with Spider-Man history are just daft? Come on. Give her another name. She was definitely mousey though; likely for contrast later on.

 

[Harley2004]

After seeing it 3 times, I wanted to add that although the action was way better this time around, I wanted to see more showcase of Spidey in combat. Idk. Just more interesting things and ways to show how he fights.

You got that in the first one multiple times and done well, imo. This time they decided to turn it into a videogame.

 

[Golgo-13]

With the exception of the finale battle, every other fight in the movie; magically NY'ers held back by barricades appeared to a Spartacus style Spider-Man showdown...

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I can understand wanting it, I'm just not understanding why that's more important to you than quality.

And, to explain it then, it's because overall I don't like the MCU. I love CA:TWS, Iron Man and Iron Man 3 but aside from that I find it okay at best and awful at worst. And I really am liking this series so far and so I wouldn't want it to be tied to something I don't care for.

It is that important to me simply because Spiderman's popularity is dwindling because it is not a part of the bigger picture which IS the mcu. Moreover I don't like how things are being set in motion without him.

And to all the people saying this is the right way to do it and Spiderman should be on his own, then fine, let Sony keep doing what they're doing BUT, add some easter eggs to indicate they are at least in the same universe. Having him isolated in his own universe is unacceptable.

You didn't like Avengers? I didn't really an IM movie except the first one I thought TIH was good I thought Thor was good the first CA was okay the second one was great also

 

[Snow Queen]

It is that important to me simply because Spiderman's popularity is dwindling because it is not a part of the bigger picture which IS the mcu. Moreover I don't like how things are being set in motion without him.

And to all the people saying this is the right way to do it and Spiderman should be on his own, then fine, let Sony keep doing what they're doing BUT, add some easter eggs to indicate they are at least in the same universe. Having him isolated in his own universe is unacceptable.

You didn't like Avengers? I didn't really an IM movie except the first one I thought TIH was good I thought Thor was good the first CA was okay the second one was great also

CA:TFA was decent (7/10), TIH was okay (6.7/10), T:TDW was okay (6.7/10), IM2 was meh (6.5/10), Thor was mediocre (6/10) and Avengers was awful (4/10). At least that's how I feel about them, of course.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

My main problem with Electro is that his motivations are so separate from the plot and to the other characters, so why bother spending so much time on his backstory at all?

Electro is supposed to be a misunderstood guy, so why not have Peter deal with that in a way that develops Peter as a character? Maybe some Peter/Electro scenes got cut.

I have a similar problem with Harry. His problems dont lead to Peter making any important choices.

Both villains also have 'evil' turns that arent believable.

 

[Warhammer]

CA:TFA was decent (7/10), TIH was okay (6.7/10), T:TDW was okay (6.7/10), IM2 was meh (6.5/10), Thor was mediocre (6/10) and Avengers was awful (4/10). At least that's how I feel about them, of course.

I hate to put you on blast, but what is the difference between a 6.7 and a 6.5? I honestly want to know how that works.

 

[Snow Queen]

I hate to put you on blast, but what is the difference between a 6.7 and a 6.5? I honestly want to know how that works.

Just a tiny difference to me, I could see myself rewatching T:TDW a few times, whereas Iron Man 2 I feel I never need to see again. For me, when ratings get 6.5 or below, it basically means I can't see myself watching it in the near future aside from stuff like if a friend put it on or if I were doing a marathon of a series. But at the same time I don't think there's much of a quality difference between T:TDW and TIH and IM2, so I didn't rate them too far apart.

 

[Hypestyle]

"Regarding the Rhino"

-- I guess when an actor like Paul Giamatti publicly says that he wants in, you find a way to accommodate him. But I just didn't buy into him as the (sigh) Rhino. Generic Russian hijacker? Fine. (I did enjoy the opening sequence). An epilogue where he gets to cause mayhem in a robotic suit of armor? Fine. But did it have to be some kind of ersatz "Rhino-mech"? A spare Mandroid wasn't available?

"Rhino", to me, is a huge, Hulk-esque built guy with a giant horn. I don't care. For whatever it's worth, I'd pick Giamatti to play Mysterio, or something. For all this character contributed to the film, heck, they might as well have made him the Looter. Yeah, I said it.

As I write this, I vaguely recall something written years ago about Avi Arad's notes on developing the short-lived Avengers: United they Stand cartoon (circa 2000), and nearly every main character had some kind of armored add-on. Apropos of nothing, I suppose.

 

[Spiderine]

Maybe i'm in the minority here but did it bother anyone that Harry asked Peter to ask Spider-Man to give him his blood, simply based off the fact that Peter took a picture of Spider-Man, lol?

I mean here you have a nobody, Parker, who explains to Harry that he simply caught a pic of Spider-Man, as thousands of NY'esr probably do all the time, yet Harry feels the need to have Peter find him, despite having million of dollars worth of resources at his own finger tips…..

Yeah, I caught that and it was really a stupid plot point. If Peter had already decided he wasn't gonna do it, he should of just told Harry that Spiderman said **** off, can't help u.

 

[Miles_Morales]

-How Harry single-handedly broke into Ravencroft. Especially after he was ousted from Oscorp
-Didn't like the "whispers" in Electro's music as well
-NO mention of Peter's life post-graduation
-Jameson being nothing more than an e-mail (though that's probably a good thing if they don't plan on re-casting J.K. Simmons)
-"Spider-kid" did nothing for me in this movie. Waste of time imo
-They could have at least said Felicia's last name
-Rhino's design
-NO mention of finding Uncle Ben's killer (you know, the only reason Peter became Spider-Man?)
-The whole "Oscorp is evil" thing is getting old
-NO FINAL SWING

 

[Grievous]

I just wanna say I don't get why people are complaining about Felicia. Maybe they felt foreshadowing something like Black Cat would feel random or forced given the other things that were going on at the time.

The movie was way too tight to give her any character development. But I'm not going to say she shouldn't of been in the movie at all. That's like saying they should of cut the sinister six foreshadowing since they don't do anything.

They established her in the universe. I don't agree with the idea all characters introduced in a movie have to have decent sized roles or not be in the movie at all.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

when I saw this image, I expected to here Peter scream like Frodo screamed for Gandalf in TFOR

what is it like a deleted scene or something? I felt like the scene would have been more complete if they left it in there.

 

[Par Avion]

-How Harry single-handedly broke into Ravencroft. Especially after he was ousted from Oscorp
-Didn't like the "whispers" in Electro's music as well
-NO mention of Peter's life post-graduation
-Jameson being nothing more than an e-mail (though that's probably a good thing if they don't plan on re-casting J.K. Simmons)
-"Spider-kid" did nothing for me in this movie. Waste of time imo
-They could have at least said Felicia's last name
-Rhino's design
-NO mention of finding Uncle Ben's killer (you know, the only reason Peter became Spider-Man?)
-The whole "Oscorp is evil" thing is getting old
-NO FINAL SWING

Great points. As outrageous as it was, I could accept Harry breaking into Ravencroft/Oscorp. It wasn't hugely egregious as far as movies like this go, but yes, it was still silly when you stop to think about it for a second (which can be said for much of this film).

Also, No mention of Peter's life post-grad (aside from a fleeting throwaway line) was a terrible disappointment. Shame when things like this get swept under the rug in favour of rushing from plot point to plot point because the movie is so jam packed.

I can also forgive the killer nonsense. I can understand and accept why leaving the killer unapprehended was done. Much like the new twist on Harry Osborn, it was done purely to differentiate itself from the previous series. Thematically, similar payoff though.

And yes, I had to watch this movie with the mindset of watching a saturday morning cartoon- so in that case, the Oscorp stuff is fitting. Completely lazy and contrived for a live action film one is expected to take halfway seriously though.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I didn't think there were too many villains per-se or too much 'set-up' for future movies. (I thought the Rhino scene would have been a fitting ending even if this was the last movie in the franchise).

I just thought there were too many story-lines in general that did not align or factor in with the main character's development and the main Gwen/Peter story. They ultimately end up being a waste of time:
1. Parker "secrets" story
2. Electro characterization/backstory
3. Harry characterization/backstory

The Parker secrets storyline is for some reason emphasized as the initial intrigue of the movie. The revelations that Oscorp is bad doesn't lead to any character development nor is it a surprise to the audience. The revelation that Richard is innocent doesn't mean anything because Peter previously believing that he may have been guilty didn't lead to any period of character development/change. So basically it's all a waste of time (and potential). I guess it's supposed to show Peter's inability to let go or "leave things in the closet" (which they circle back to with the death of Gwen), but if so, then there should have been repurcussions to Peter's search for the truth or it should have been portrayed as more of a character flaw. There's no real lesson learned beyond May's convo at the end.

Next, they give Electro and Harry these backstories and a lot of scenes devoted to characterization, but they don't do anything with them with regards to how they affect Peter's decisions. So what's the point? After the fight in Times Square, the first lines are about England and there's no talk of Electro. There's no point in giving Electro a sympathetic backstory about how Spider-Man creates a misunderstood madmen if Peter (and the movie) doesn't even concern himself with this. It would have been better if they just had simple Rhino-esque villains with no backstory or even a natural disaster if they were just going to serve as the background obstacles. Either that, or align these developed villains with the main character's conflicts, dilemmas, etc and the main themes.

With the villains, they could have explored the idea of whether not Spider-Man loses hope and feels responsible for the hardship that occurs because of him. Spider-Man led to the creation of Electro. What do the citizens think about Spider-Man's benefit to NYC after the Times Square scene? Spider-Man's actions partly led to Harry going nuts. Harry says that Spider-Man takes people's hope away, but we don't get to see what Peter thinks about this. Spider-Man even takes Peter Parker's hope away by not allowing him to be with Gwen, and by not having people in his life (like Max and Harry) he becomes a weaker individual, more likely to turn to older obsessions (unresolved issues of his parents). They could have tied the Parker/Oscorp secrets into this by having Spidey learn that Spider-Man's existence is potentially part of more nefarious purposes ("we have plans for you Peter Parker"). Finally, Spider-Man's existence led to the death of Gwen.

They do have Peter giving up being Spidey post Gwen's death, but I would have liked to see the beginnings of this idea crop up earlier in the movie with more connection to the other themes/plots. Maybe they were more closely aligned before heavy editing. Who knows.