What do you believe more?

[Captain_BluTac]

the thing is Ive never felt my beliefs on this matter to be that strong but i will defend them with my life

 

[Kritish]

Here, I'll let you focus on just Exodus.

# Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12

# God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23

# God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26

# God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4

# "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17

# God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24

# The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die. 9:2-6

# The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12

# "For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14

# The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25

# These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. 11:4-6 (see 12:29-30)

# God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

# God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12

# After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29

# To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15

# After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea 14:4-28

# Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19

# "The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3

# God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6

# If you do what God says, he won't send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise.... 15:26

# Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

# "The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14-16

# Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." 19:12-13

# Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. 19:21

# God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24

# A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17

# An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25

# If an ox gores someone, "then the ox shall surely be stoned." 21:28

# If an ox gores someone due to the negligence of its owner, then "the ox shall be stoned, and his owner shall be put to death.". 21:29

# If an ox gores a slave, the owner of the ox must pay the owner of the slave 30 shekels of silver, and "the ox shall be stoned." 21:32

# "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

# "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19

# "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

# If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24

# "The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29

# God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27

# Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8

# Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37

# Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39

# Wash up or die. 30:20-21

# Moses burned the golden calf, ground it into powder, and then forced it down the throats of all the people. 32:20

# Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33

# Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14

# God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10

# God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28

# But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35

# If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20

# Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3

 

[Captain_BluTac]

its they whole do what i say not what i do and all this evil stuff there wrathful god has done

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Spoil sport. I finally get to sit back and watch Krit tear someone else a new one. I mean, I disagree with him, but I've learned it's better to respect his seperate opinion and not say anything.

No argument here. Praise Jesus

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Jesus rocks.

 

[Captain_BluTac]

that sounds like a drug ^

 

[Zoken]

No argument here. Praise Jesus

You have to admit, agree with him or disagree, he'd damn good at this.

 

[Kritish]

its they whole do what i say not what i do and all this evil stuff there wrathful god has done

There's also some fun in the New Testament. Check out the book of Matthew.

1. hose who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
2. Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
3. Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
4. Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
5. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
6. "The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
7. Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
8. Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
9. Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
10. Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
11. Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28
12. Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
13. Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
14. Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50
15. Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
16. Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
17. "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34
18. In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13
19. Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
20. God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51
21. The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30
22. Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41
23. Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46

 

[Captain_BluTac]

this stuff regards sinful people it was a form of scaremongering so people would abide by the laws of Christianity because as it effectively all stories no violent or cruel thing in the bible can be used to say well this religion is evil and its like the saying with a book that big a person with a strong enough will can prove anything

 

[Captain_BluTac]

right now I'm going to bed so ill have to argue with you in the morning because I'm ****ed

 

[Kritish]

this stuff regards sinful people it was a form of scaremongering so people would abide by the laws of Christianity because as it effectively all stories no violent or cruel thing in the bible can be used to say well this religion is evil and its like the saying with a book that big a person with a strong enough will can prove anything

So you're admitting that Jesus used scare tactics? You know who else uses that? The Taliban.

Let's skip on down to Mark

1. Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
2. Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
3. Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
4. Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10
5. If you're ashamed of Jesus, he'll be ashamed of you. (And you'll go straight to hell.) 8:38
6. Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
7. Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16

 

[Zoken]

Aww, there goes half the entertainment.

 

[Kritish]

right now I'm going to bed so ill have to argue with you in the morning because I'm ****ed

Don't let Jesus get you.

 

[Kritish]

Aww, there goes half the entertainment.

Don't you just hate it when people drop out in the middle of getting debate raped?

 

[mybotisgone]

To both Kritish and Captain_BluTac. The History Channel and many MANY studies don't by so many different people found that Historically that both Christianity and Muslim have been in fact the most violent of all the religions. Remember the Great Crusades.

 

[Zoken]

Don't you just hate it when people drop out in the middle of getting debate raped?

I'm not even going to touch your statement with that phrase in it. I might have to bringup that it sounds like you approve of rape.

 

[Kritish]

I'm not even going to touch your statement with that phrase in it. I might have to bringup that it sounds like you approve of rape.

Only as long as it's in a debate.

 

[terry78]

I'm not even going to touch your statement with that phrase in it. I might have to bringup that it sounds like you approve of rape.

Who doesn't enjoy a little of that action from time to time?

 

[Zoken]

You guys are both tweaked.

 

[Zoken]

Okay, well I'm going to throw up another farfetched theory. Who believes that the government not only knew (and by knew I mean they knew everything that we saw happen) about 9/11, but also Aided th in the destruction of the towers?

 

[Kritish]

You guys are both tweaked.

"You've got a purty mouth."

 

[Zoken]

yeah, well ass-hole god hates you.

 

[Kritish]

Okay, well I'm going to throw up another farfetched theory. Who believes that the government not only knew (and by knew I mean they knew everything that we saw happen) about 9/11, but also Aided th in the destruction of the towers?

Whoever says that we did it is an idiot. I wouldn't be surprised if they knew and allowed it to happen though. It reminds me a lot of the sinking of the Lusitania.

 

[Zoken]

They allowed it to happen? You actually believe they had concrete evidence of the date and time of the attacks and did nothing?

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I believe in both.