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What do YOU think the 3 MCU movies will be in 2020?

And please stop bringing up Nova. He'd be better off with the Guardians when Guardians 3 hits.

I agree to the second part, but not to the second. Nova would be way overpowered for the Guardians. There would be no point in even having the Guardians around if Nova is there. There is also the question of redundancy. With Captain Marvel, the role of an all powerful cosmically powered superhuman would already be filled.

For the record, yes, Marvel can cast. Hulk and War Machine were already recast. There's nothing saying that Marvel won't do so again. I for one would rather see Downey and Rufallo get one last film each before moving on.

Hulk and War Machine were also recast when the MCU was still in it's infancy. Nobody is going to take a 30 year old Tony Stark seriously, when he should be in his 50s. Recasting actors this late in the game would only work if Marvel rebooted it's cinematic universe and started all over again.
 
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what if one of the 2020 movies were a Kevin Spacey led Stan Lee biopic?
 
I agree to the second part, but not to the second. Nova would be way overpowered for the Guardians. There would be no point in even having the Guardians around if Nova is there. There is also the question of redundancy. With Captain Marvel, the role of an all powerful cosmically powered superhuman would already be filled.



Hulk and War Machine were also recast when the MCU was still in it's infancy. Nobody is going to take a 30 year old Tony Stark seriously, when he should be in his 50s. Recasting actors this late in the game would only work if Marvel rebooted it's cinematic universe and started all over again.

They recast Fandral in Phase II. They technically recast Thanos as well, though the Avengers appearance was probably always a one time thing with an actor that they wouldn't be throwing on the poster. They presumably intended to get a big name when it was time for him to see any real screen time. I'd wager they'll recast Janet in Ant-Man and the Wasp for similar reasons.
 
Maybe "Iron Man 4" is still the best guess ;)
 
They recast Fandral in Phase II. They technically recast Thanos as well, though the Avengers appearance was probably always a one time thing with an actor that they wouldn't be throwing on the poster. They presumably intended to get a big name when it was time for him to see any real screen time. I'd wager they'll recast Janet in Ant-Man and the Wasp for similar reasons.

Recast no, passing the torch maybe.
 
Recast no, passing the torch maybe.
sooner or later recasts will happen. it is better to accept that now than live in denial and be disappointed when it happens. actors get older. actors die. yet the studio is build on only one purpose, to make MCU movies. once they stop doing that, they have no reason to exist any more. so, the MCU will go on. and the major characters will go on. and just like in the comics when another artist takes over, the characters will have different faces. and just like in the comics, when another writer takes over, the characters will have a slightly different personality.
James Bond didn't just stop with YOLT, instead it gave us a brillant OHMSS. and the movies are now more popular than they ever were.

passing the torch is fine as a short term solution. but in the long run, recasts are important
 
Maybe...

1. Young Avengers
2. Planet Hulk
3. Howard The Duck Reboot or Remake
4. Marvel 2099
 
sooner or later recasts will happen. it is better to accept that now ...

I think, there is no big issue with recasting, but more the question "Why so soon?".

RDJ still can be Tony Stark for 10 years. Evans and Hemsworth even longer...

So there is no need to recast any of them!

And Marvel knows that. They would be stupid to recast as long as they can use the "old" actors.
And RDJ would be stupid too, because nobody will pay him as much as Marvel does (right now).
 
Maybe...

1. Young Avengers
I actually thought about that today, after rewatching Ant-Man, how far away a Young Avengers movie still is. Cassi is what? 5 years old? The twins are not even born yet (their 'parents' aren't even in a relationship yet), the rights issue with FOX abut the Skrulls make Teddy still unlikely to show up anytime soon, the same with Iron Lad and Kang. The only two members that seem somewhat easy to introduce soon are Kate and Patriot, but making them significantly older than Cassie somewhat ruins the dynamic and purpose of the team.
 
sooner or later recasts will happen. it is better to accept that now than live in denial and be disappointed when it happens. actors get older. actors die. yet the studio is build on only one purpose, to make MCU movies. once they stop doing that, they have no reason to exist any more. so, the MCU will go on. and the major characters will go on. and just like in the comics when another artist takes over, the characters will have different faces. and just like in the comics, when another writer takes over, the characters will have a slightly different personality.
James Bond didn't just stop with YOLT, instead it gave us a brillant OHMSS. and the movies are now more popular than they ever were.

passing the torch is fine as a short term solution. but in the long run, recasts are important

I disagree. The problem with your logic is that the Marvel Universe isn't built around a singular character. There are literally thousands of comic book characters, dozens of other Avengers Marvel could use to write interesting stories with. You don't think Marvel is introducing an unprecedented 4 new franchises for phase 3, for no reason, do you? Unlike the comics, Marvel can only make so many movies per phase. Eventually, Marvel is going to have to stop making Cap and IM movies if they want other heroes to come in and take over. If all goes well for phase 3, don't be surprised if Captain Marvel or Black Panther are leading the Avengers and Cap shows up in brief cameos as a sort of Nick Fury character.

I think, there is no big issue with recasting, but more the question "Why so soon?".

RDJ still can be Tony Stark for 10 years. Evans and Hemsworth even longer...

So there is no need to recast any of them!

And Marvel knows that. They would be stupid to recast as long as they can use the "old" actors.
And RDJ would be stupid too, because nobody will pay him as much as Marvel does (right now).

NOBODY, I mean NOBODY is going to want to see a movie about a 60 year old superhero, except for maybe Birdman. I know it's hard to imagine the MCU without RDJ or Chris Evans, but it's going to happen a lot sooner than you think.
 
I disagree. The problem with your logic is that the Marvel Universe isn't built around a singular character. There are literally thousands of comic book characters, dozens of other Avengers Marvel could use to write interesting stories with. You don't think Marvel is introducing an unprecedented 4 new franchises for phase 3, for no reason, do you? Unlike the comics, Marvel can only make so many movies per phase. Eventually, Marvel is going to have to stop making Cap and IM movies if they want other heroes to come in and take over. If all goes well for phase 3, don't be surprised if Captain Marvel or Black Panther are leading the Avengers and Cap shows up in brief cameos as a sort of Nick Fury character.
I honestly don't get your point here if there even is one. How does recasting actors stop MS making movies about new characters or pushing other characters in the forefront?
 
I honestly don't get your point here if there even is one. How does recasting actors stop MS making movies about new characters or pushing other characters in the forefront?

The Marvel universe isn't a single character. Comparing the MCU to James Bond is a mistake, because Tony Stark isn't the only hero. Recasting heroes at this point only makes sense if Marvel were to reboot their entire universe. It just wouldn't make sense to have a 40 year old Tony Stark all over again. In a linear universe, things, people age. Tony Stark is like 50 years old. He's not going to do this forever. This is why 'passing the torch' makes much more sense.

While some people seem to think the MCU couldn't possibly survive without Tony and Steve, leaving only two options: recast or keep the actors as long as possible. I believe in a third option. I think it's very possible that the new heroes being introduced in phase 3 could take things over while Tony and Steve retire/die and Thor becomes King and rebuilds Asgard. Given the sheer number of characters participating in phase 3, It's just not going to be very practical to focus on the original Avengers and the new heroes within a single movie. That's part of the reason why IW is two movies, I seriously doubt that there will be two Marvel movies every each phase, meaning something will have to give. There is also little point to making a superhero movies, if that hero isn't going to show up in the Avengers. The way I see it, there is little point in recasting or even continuing on with the original Avengers after phase 3, unless of course the phase 3 movies tank, which I doubt will happen.
 
The Marvel universe isn't a single character. Comparing the MCU to James Bond is a mistake, because Tony Stark isn't the only hero. Recasting heroes at this point only makes sense if Marvel were to reboot their entire universe. It just wouldn't make sense to have a 40 year old Tony Stark all over again. In a linear universe, things, people age. Tony Stark is like 50 years old. He's not going to do this forever. This is why 'passing the torch' makes much more sense.

While some people seem to think the MCU couldn't possibly survive without Tony and Steve, leaving only two options: recast or keep the actors as long as possible. I believe in a third option. I think it's very possible that the new heroes being introduced in phase 3 could take things over while Tony and Steve retire/die and Thor becomes King and rebuilds Asgard. Given the sheer number of characters participating in phase 3, It's just not going to be very practical to focus on the original Avengers and the new heroes within a single movie. That's part of the reason why IW is two movies, I seriously doubt that there will be two Marvel movies every each phase, meaning something will have to give. There is also little point to making a superhero movies, if that hero isn't going to show up in the Avengers. The way I see it, there is little point in recasting or even continuing on with the original Avengers after phase 3, unless of course the phase 3 movies tank, which I doubt will happen.

Agree 100%. We've gotten many different verions of Bond, Spidey, Batman and Superman. But in almost every other situation the cinematic universe was rebooted along with the beloved character, as we have seen with Craig, Holland, Affleck and Cavill.

Unless Feige and company are willing to tear down the MCU when Downey retires, the show is going to go on without Tony Stark. Other characters will emerge, and at some point my guess is new characters will throw the shield, pick up the hammer and put on the armor.
 
The Marvel universe isn't a single character. Comparing the MCU to James Bond is a mistake, because Tony Stark isn't the only hero. Recasting heroes at this point only makes sense if Marvel were to reboot their entire universe. It just wouldn't make sense to have a 40 year old Tony Stark all over again. In a linear universe, things, people age. Tony Stark is like 50 years old. He's not going to do this forever. This is why 'passing the torch' makes much more sense.

While some people seem to think the MCU couldn't possibly survive without Tony and Steve, leaving only two options: recast or keep the actors as long as possible. I believe in a third option. I think it's very possible that the new heroes being introduced in phase 3 could take things over while Tony and Steve retire/die and Thor becomes King and rebuilds Asgard. Given the sheer number of characters participating in phase 3, It's just not going to be very practical to focus on the original Avengers and the new heroes within a single movie. That's part of the reason why IW is two movies, I seriously doubt that there will be two Marvel movies every each phase, meaning something will have to give. There is also little point to making a superhero movies, if that hero isn't going to show up in the Avengers. The way I see it, there is little point in recasting or even continuing on with the original Avengers after phase 3, unless of course the phase 3 movies tank, which I doubt will happen.

I agree completely. I think the MCU can easily continue without Iron Man & co. You don't even have to kill them off, but you can just have them retire from being an Avenger. Have Tony become a government official, or have Thor as king of Asgard, so they have other duties instead of Avenging. Then they could still come back years later as their characters. Tony could then fill a more "Hank Pym" role, and how awesome would it be to see an old Hemsworth return as the old All-Father King Thor, in a movie years from now. Even if the original six are gone, we'd still have at the very least 11 other Avengers focus on, plus all of the inhuman royal family. Also, there are still tons of characters that could be introduced as well. When Thor has been gone for a while they can introduce Hercules to fill that gap of anachronistic ancient God powerhouse, if they'd want. Or if they want an Asgardian specifically, they can still use Sif, Valkyrie, Angela, etc. If you want someone with a hammer, you could still use Beta-Ray Bill for example. If Evans wants to quit, make Sebastian Stan or Anthony Mackie take on Cap's mantle. If Renner wants to quit, make a Hawkeye movie where he passes on his legacy to Kate.

I really don't think I would mind going to an Avengers movie with Spectrum, Wonder Man, Namor, Darkhawk, Nova, Tigra, Valkyrie, Agent Venom, White Tiger, Brother Voodoo, Miss Marvel, Miles Morales, Songbird and Kate Bishop in 20 years or something. (And note that this is already more character as Avengers than we've had until now, and in between there are still tons of others to use.)
 
The Marvel universe isn't a single character. Comparing the MCU to James Bond is a mistake, because Tony Stark isn't the only hero. Recasting heroes at this point only makes sense if Marvel were to reboot their entire universe. It just wouldn't make sense to have a 40 year old Tony Stark all over again. In a linear universe, things, people age. Tony Stark is like 50 years old. He's not going to do this forever. This is why 'passing the torch' makes much more sense.

While some people seem to think the MCU couldn't possibly survive without Tony and Steve, leaving only two options: recast or keep the actors as long as possible. I believe in a third option. I think it's very possible that the new heroes being introduced in phase 3 could take things over while Tony and Steve retire/die and Thor becomes King and rebuilds Asgard. Given the sheer number of characters participating in phase 3, It's just not going to be very practical to focus on the original Avengers and the new heroes within a single movie. That's part of the reason why IW is two movies, I seriously doubt that there will be two Marvel movies every each phase, meaning something will have to give. There is also little point to making a superhero movies, if that hero isn't going to show up in the Avengers. The way I see it, there is little point in recasting or even continuing on with the original Avengers after phase 3, unless of course the phase 3 movies tank, which I doubt will happen.
again, short sighted. if we are under the assumption that the MCU has no expiration date, you're robbing yourself off of major players in a possible future (by killing them) where there is need for them. retiring is always an option, and nothing I'm really against, but that still means cameos now and then. not only in the next ten years but beyond. sooner or later new faces for known characters will happen out of a necessity. yes there are dozens of character untouched for the MCU, but how many of them are strong enough or have a history deep enough to have a movie or a franchise build around them? maybe a handful (unless, MS gets a few rights back sometime) and those new characters introduced in Phase 2 and Phase 3 grow older too. If MS and the MCU is still around in 2030 and they look at the choices they hav left, either a Big Bertha franchise or Iron Man coming back from retirement they might decide that a 60 year old Stark is preferrable to a 70something Stark. Or they might realize, that while Thor is still King of Asgard, he really doesn't age at the same rate as humans and might want to look into another actor in an age category.

And no, recasts doesn't mean reboot. and since this is ultimately a sci-fantasy universe there might even be in-universe explanations for the face change or the notable age difference (don't count on it, but there might be). Doctor Who changes the actor of its titular character approximatly every 3 1/2 years or so and it makes total sense in-universe and the story still progresses linearly (more or less, wibbly wobbly timey-wimey not included). Fandral, Rhodey, Bruce Banner...all of them have already been recast and the story still progresses without any needs for reboots, without any needs to change the linear structure and without too many questions asked by the audience.

your logic is faulty and driven by a certain desire, I think. long term it makes more sense, business-wise to have more options and not paint yourself in a corner with closing doors for characters to come back.
 
again, short sighted. if we are under the assumption that the MCU has no expiration date, you're robbing yourself off of major players in a possible future (by killing them) where there is need for them. retiring is always an option, and nothing I'm really against, but that still means cameos now and then. not only in the next ten years but beyond. sooner or later new faces for known characters will happen out of a necessity. yes there are dozens of character untouched for the MCU, but how many of them are strong enough or have a history deep enough to have a movie or a franchise build around them? maybe a handful (unless, MS gets a few rights back sometime) and those new characters introduced in Phase 2 and Phase 3 grow older too. If MS and the MCU is still around in 2030 and they look at the choices they hav left, either a Big Bertha franchise or Iron Man coming back from retirement they might decide that a 60 year old Stark is preferrable to a 70something Stark. Or they might realize, that while Thor is still King of Asgard, he really doesn't age at the same rate as humans and might want to look into another actor in an age category.

Shortsighted would be to assume that the MCU couldn't possibly go on without any of the original Avengers. I think it might be cool to have Cap mentor some of the newer heroes, but there's no reason to assume that cameos MUST happen. The New Avengers will have their own story to tell, and they need to prove that they can stand on their own. Having the old heroes show up in too many movies would make the new ones look incompetent. A couple of cameos in Avengers 4 or 5 could be nice, but Marvel shouldn't overdo it. The New Avengers will likely have their own supporting cast, some of which would carry on to future Avengers movies, and their are only so many characters that can fit in a movie. While it is true that Cap and IM are the most prominent Avengers, there are many others(certainly more than a handful). Marvel isn't exactly scraping at the bottom of the barrel with these new heroes and if everything goes well, that's another ten years of Marvel. That's ten more years for Marvel Comics to play catch up with some characters like Monica Rambeau and Ms. Marvel. Cap and IM have decades of stories, but Marvel Studios made a Guardians of The Galaxy movie, and that team hadn't even been around five years before they started production. Source material is obviously important, but you don't need as much as you think since Marvel very often deviates from the source material.

And no, recasts doesn't mean reboot. and since this is ultimately a sci-fantasy universe there might even be in-universe explanations for the face change or the notable age difference (don't count on it, but there might be). Doctor Who changes the actor of its titular character approximatly every 3 1/2 years or so and it makes total sense in-universe and the story still progresses linearly (more or less, wibbly wobbly timey-wimey not included). Fandral, Rhodey, Bruce Banner...all of them have already been recast and the story still progresses without any needs for reboots, without any needs to change the linear structure and without too many questions asked by the audience.

Just like James Bond, there would be no Doctor Who show without Doctor Who. It's common sense, really. So, that's a terrible argument to begin with, and we haven't even gone into time travel yet. The difference between recasting Rhodes and Banner between and recasting IM or Cap is that those recasting happened before the MCU got really big(Pre-Avengers). You're talking about recasting actors ten years after they've been cast. Fandrall's recasting was barely even noticed by people. Since he's Asgardian, he won't really age much in a fear years. This also means that Thor is the one Avenger in which a recasting would actually make sense.

your logic is faulty and driven by a certain desire, I think. long term it makes more sense, business-wise to have more options and not paint yourself in a corner with closing doors for characters to come back.

My logic is actually pretty sound. If Marvel is going to be serious about passing the torch, then they shouldn't half-ass it and have faith in the new heroes' ability to stand on their own without assistance from the old heroes. I've actually had several theories about the Avengers' fate at the end of Infinity War.

1. They die(But can be brought back with an Infinity Stone)
2. They don't die but live the rest of their life in the Soul World, living out the rest of their lives in peace.
3. They retire

I'm kind of hoping they die half way through IW2, so the New Avengers can "AVENGE" The Avengers. It would be a nice way of passing the torch. The only thing I don't like about this is that I would like some future interactions between the heroes.
 
Please guys, the Fantasic 4 rumor has already been debunked. Besides, even if Marvel were to get the rights back, Marvel would at least let the franchise cool off for a few years. Unlike Spider-Man, there has never been a truly successful F4 film. If Marvel were to release a F4 film, all the GA would know is that another bad F4 movie is being made. Most people wouldn't even know or care that it's being made by Marvel.

There is no way Marvel has been building up the Inhumans just to have the movie scrapped. Scrapped in favor of a F4 movie, no less. An Inhumans movie has so much more potential.

I think they already have the rights and everyone will be okay with a new F4 movie because I think the characters will have been introduced in other MCU movies before they get their own film

I think the next F4 movie should be a Avengers/F4 film with Doom again as the bad guy.
 

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