What do you think will be the next DC/WB movie franchise?

[gugumugats]

we don't really need a JL movie. a world's finest or a trinity film would be better off. its better that way instead of introducing a clusterf**K of characters in one film.

Because Ocean's 11 nor the X-Men movies could pull it off

 

[Raiden]

I think that if DC wants to make a shared movie universe like Marvel they should make the introduction of Justice League as a trilogy, well, not exactly a trilogy as all movies would stand on their oun and only the last would be a JL movie.

The first would be World's Finest, to make a team-up between Superman and Batman, and to show that both characters can coexist in the same universe, next would be Trinity, to show that magic exists in thiss DC universe, with the movie being a team-up between Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman, maybe fighting Ras-All Ghoul like in the Trinity 4 issues mini-series, having him use Bizarro and Artemis or another Wonder Woman villain.

Then there goes the Justice League movie, maybe have Darkseid attack? If not there are other cosmic threats in the DC universe that can be used, i think that if they instead decided to use the JL movie as way to introduce Flash, WW and other characters then it should be the original line-up without Superman and Batman, they didn't even appear much in the original JL comics, and i think it would still work as Flash and WW are popular in their oun right.

I think for your plan to work, WB/DC would have to make a trilogy of these films, starting from World's Finest and conclude with JL at the end. But this would basically omit any possibilities of having solo Batman and Superman movies, due to the years between each movie and the actor playing Batman and Superman will have to committ to alot of movies to make the plan work. Seeing how WB treats their superhero properties outside of Batman, I don't think they will ever come up with this ambitious plan over a period of a decade.

 

[chiefchirpa]

I would go with the Flash. And then Wonder Woman.

Concentrate on the characters and each of their unique universe, less about the team hugs.

 

[Boy Scout]

Either Flash or Wonder Woman.

 

[gugumugats]

I would go with the Flash. And then Wonder Woman.

Concentrate on the characters and each of their unique universe, less about the team hugs.

DC characters really seem like they work best as individual heroes in their own universe.

The Marvel Cinematic U has a unifying thread in the form of a high tech Military-Industry complex that created Hulk, Captain America, and in a way, Iron Man. Thor's involvement comes with Loki unifying the Avengers, and maybe even the Cosmic Cube. Before the Cap movie came out, I thought the Cosmic Cube was gonna be used to generate the "vita-rays" used to create Captain America.

If DC were to have a shared cinematic universe, the unifying thread may be Superman (see JMS's Supreme Power). For instance, the Green Lantern Corps/Abin Sur come to Earth in response to a Kryptonian. The Amazons send Wonder Woman to investigate a probable Olympian/DemiGod on Earth. the Flash was created from a science experiment to replicate Superman's powers. and Batman is just Batman.

 

[Boom]

The Flash.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Flash could work in WF movie. Say they have him be the catalyst for the plot of the movie. Leading to a JL movie...one day...

 

[metaphysician]

Because Ocean's 11 nor the X-Men movies could pull it off

Both use a common origin/premise, whether skilled thieves or genetic mutants.

The JLA involves multiple different aliens, science accidents, space police, mythological figures, and Batman. All of which have their own individual mythos with little or no overlap. Say what you will about overcrowding, but Marvel putting everyone in NYC at least establishes a common setting.

 

[Boy Scout]

...If DC were to have a shared cinematic universe, the unifying thread may be Superman (see JMS's Supreme Power). For instance, the Green Lantern Corps/Abin Sur come to Earth in response to a Kryptonian. The Amazons send Wonder Woman to investigate a probable Olympian/DemiGod on Earth. the Flash was created from a science experiment to replicate Superman's powers. and Batman is just Batman.

I think that'd be a pretty wicked concept.

 

[BigThor]

If DC were to have a shared cinematic universe, the unifying thread may be Superman (see JMS's Supreme Power). For instance, the Green Lantern Corps/Abin Sur come to Earth in response to a Kryptonian. The Amazons send Wonder Woman to investigate a probable Olympian/DemiGod on Earth. the Flash was created from a science experiment to replicate Superman's powers. and Batman is just Batman.

That could work, but I don't really want everything to be so "Superman centric" in a JL film.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

Both use a common origin/premise, whether skilled thieves or genetic mutants.

The JLA involves multiple different aliens, science accidents, space police, mythological figures, and Batman. All of which have their own individual mythos with little or no overlap. Say what you will about overcrowding, but Marvel putting everyone in NYC at least establishes a common setting.

thank you. nevermind tht there's actual continuity with marvel, while at dc they're at the mercy of nolan realism.

 

[BigThor]

thank you. nevermind tht there's actual continuity with marvel, while at dc they're at the mercy of nolan realism.

Can you imagine a Martian Manhunter movie directed by Nolan, it might turn out to be the Malaysian Manhunter (lol).

Nolan is a great director he truly is, I just think he's goes overboard with realism in his Batman franchise though (although it works for Batman).

 

[The Guard]

Actually, depending on what happens with Superman, I think The Martian Manhunter might be one Nolan could do well with. Something lower budget, in the vein of INSOMNIA, with mystery/detective/heist elements.

I think the next DC film after Man of Steel is pretty clearly going to be The Flash. They'll want to test the lighthearted waters one more time with a slightly lower budget, slightly more serious and better-executed film. If that works, we'll see Wonder Woman and Aquaman go into development.

Regardless, we'll be getting a new Batman franchise, and more Superman films. Justice League will follow whether Flash and GL sequels and WW and Aquaman happen or not.

 

[BigThor]

I would love to see a Flash film, I think if done correctly it could be a great franchise starter with the right actors and a decent scrip.

Plus I've always thought and Aquaman film would be amazing, so as soom WB/DC get their act together with heroes other than Supes & Bats we're gonna be that much closer to finally seeing a JL on the big screen.

 

[gugumugats]

Both use a common origin/premise, whether skilled thieves or genetic mutants.

The JLA involves multiple different aliens, science accidents, space police, mythological figures, and Batman. All of which have their own individual mythos with little or no overlap. Say what you will about overcrowding, but Marvel putting everyone in NYC at least establishes a common setting.

There is a common premise ..... The JLA are all superheroes. They all wear funny looking costumes. They fight bad guys.

Just have them all fight a Cthulhu type villain that's a threat to both aliens and mythological figures (Grant Morrison wrote one in JLA:World War 3, and in the JLU cartoon, Thanagarians and Atlantians found a common historical enemy in a Cthulhu type demon they once separately revolted against.)

As far as cinematic universes go, I'm still of the opinion that DC superheroes work best individually. Superman's iconic story is about finding his place in the world (Justice League eliminates some of that conflict). Batman works best when Bruce is just one normal man who chose to dedicate his life to fighting crime. The GL universe with all the corps is big enough to stand on its own. Same can be said about Wonder Woman and Aquaman having their own mythological universes.

Even though the Justice League itself takes away some of the conflict inherent in each individual character, the Justice League as a whole also has a lot of story potential. The most obvious is the team dynamic. Another possible storyline is about the use of power/authority. The power thing may be more of a Superman type story BUT it would be more interesting to see an entire team in conflict about how to use the authority they have.

In the end though, all I want to see is for DC/WB to expand beyond Supes, Bats, and GL. And for their superhero movies to be decent

 

[metaphysician]

There is a common premise ..... The JLA are all superheroes. They all wear funny looking costumes. They fight bad guys.

Not good enough, honestly. Not when you have members coming from, functionally, completely different worlds. And especially if you want the GA to take the concept seriously, as opposed to taking it as camp.

In order for the audience to take a movie seriously, they have to accept and understand its internal logic. If you just throw six random super heroes on screen, with no explanation, no build-up, no attempt to weave them into a coherent world? You're basically telling the audience "the internal logic is 'none', any random thing can happen."

 

[gugumugats]

Not good enough, honestly. Not when you have members coming from, functionally, completely different worlds. And especially if you want the GA to take the concept seriously, as opposed to taking it as camp.

In order for the audience to take a movie seriously, they have to accept and understand its internal logic. If you just throw six random super heroes on screen, with no explanation, no build-up, no attempt to weave them into a coherent world? You're basically telling the audience "the internal logic is 'none', any random thing can happen."

If you think about it, the same can almost be said of the Avengers. I'm sure there are some in the GA who will skip some of the MCU movies and jump straight to the Avengers.

 

[Airwings]

Raiden and Lord are the only other people here who want to have both a World's Finest and a Trinity as build-ups to Justice League.
Why that? Because we can see how that will work, while others can't?

And then something about a possible team film without the heavy hitters Supes/Bats. Story-wise it could do very well. Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Green Arrow & Hawkman - a seven member league - the final product would be some awesome stuff but only for a minority of the comic book readers. The majority of fans are more like non-comic fans, because they demand Man of Steel and Caped Crusader just as much.
In terms of box office numbers, it will fail.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

If you think about it, the same can almost be said of the Avengers. I'm sure there are some in the GA who will skip some of the MCU movies and jump straight to the Avengers.

no you can't. and if anyone skips those films, that's their fault. there's a vein that runs threw cap, thor, hulk and iron man, and that vein is shield.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I honestly think they should just go straight to a Justice League film. Do the opposite of Marvel. Branch individual franchises from the team-up as opposed to building up to it. I think after the inevitable success of The Avengers, this will be extremely hard for WB to pass up. Any doubts they may have about the prospects of a Wonder Women film or a Flash film could be emboldened by the HUGE returns a JL film would no doubt generate. Just rubbing shoulders with Superman and Batman gives their characters more weight to a general audience. Peek the interest of these lesser known characters by placing them in the middle of a grand scale spectacle. It could ultimately fast track some of these properties into developement. This is the way I would go.

 

[gugumugats]

no you can't. and if anyone skips those films, that's their fault. there's a vein that runs threw cap, thor, hulk and iron man, and that vein is shield.

We won't know until Avengers comes out, but I am betting that it can still be enjoyed in a vacuum. My argument was that if Justice League can be seen as a cluster****, then why not the Avengers?

SHIELD was circumstantial in the MCU movies and sometimes felt forced just to create that common thread between all MCU movies. SHIELD may have been heavily involved in Iron Man and Thor, but the agency's role was to be reactionary to the introduction of these two game changers rather than actually playing a hand in their creation. The only time SHIELD acted irreplaceable to the story was their aiding Stark in IM2.

If that is the case, then the DC universe chould also have a similar body that would just be a SHIELD analogue, be it some government agency, Lexcorp, Wayne Enterprises/Batman Inc, or even the Daily Planet.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here. I'm more supportive of individual franchises, but I really would still welcome a Justice League movie.

 

[BigThor]

I honestly think they should just go straight to a Justice League film. Do the opposite of Marvel. Branch individual franchises from the team-up as opposed to building up to it. I think after the inevitable success of The Avengers, this will be extremely hard for WB to pass up. Any doubts they may have about the prospects of a Wonder Women film or a Flash film could seriously be emboldened by the HUGE returns a JL film would no doubt generate. Just rubbing shoulders with Superman and Batman gives their characters more weight to a general audience. Peek the interest of these lesser known characters by placing them in the middle of a grand scale spectacle. It could ultimately fast track some of these properties into developement. This is the way I would go.

I like to see this done because unlike The Avengers everyone already knows about the Justice League and the simple fact that Supes & Bats are in the same movie pretty much guarantees success.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

We won't know until Avengers comes out, but I am betting that it can still be enjoyed in a vacuum. My argument was that if Justice League can be seen as a cluster****, then why not the Avengers?

SHIELD was circumstantial in the MCU movies and sometimes felt forced just to create that common thread between all MCU movies. SHIELD may have been heavily involved in Iron Man and Thor, but the agency's role was to be reactionary to the introduction of these two game changers rather than actually playing a hand in their creation. The only time SHIELD acted irreplaceable to the story was their aiding Stark in IM2.

If that is the case, then the DC universe chould also have a similar body that would just be a SHIELD analogue, be it some government agency, Lexcorp, Wayne Enterprises/Batman Inc, or even the Daily Planet.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here. I'm more supportive of individual franchises, but I really would still welcome a Justice League movie.

i want JL film aswell. i just think that it wouldn't make sense to do that off the bat, if what they want to do is establish them as individual franchises after it. it would be a total downer if they went from dealing with something epic, to just dealing with each of the characters rogues galleries. its small fries.

they can start now with snyder's supes. just a mere mention of bruce wayne, or themyscria, hell, this would be a pretty cool way to introduce everyone in a supes film.

Originally Posted by gugumugats
If DC were to have a shared cinematic universe, the unifying thread may be Superman (see JMS's Supreme Power). For instance, the Green Lantern Corps/Abin Sur come to Earth in response to a Kryptonian. The Amazons send Wonder Woman to investigate a probable Olympian/DemiGod on Earth. the Flash was created from a science experiment to replicate Superman's powers. and Batman is just Batman.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I like to see this done because unlike The Avengers everyone already knows about the Justice League and the simple fact that Supes & Bats are in the same movie pretty much guarantees success.

And not only could it give an extra boost to the prospects of a WW and Flash film franchise, but could also serve as a kind of quasi-reboot to the Green Lantern franchise. I don't think that WB is exactly thrilled to revisit the Ryan Reynolds/Martin Campbell interpretation to say the least. Here they could recast the part (or even the Green Lantern with John Stewart or Kyle Rayner) and alow him to reclaim his true potential. They could then create a new franchise around this new incarnation.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

i want JL film aswell. i just think that it wouldn't make sense to do that off the bat, if what they want to do is establish them as individual franchises after it. it would be a total downer if they went from dealing with something epic, to just dealing with each of the characters rogues galleries. its small fries.

I guess we'll see how audiences respond to IM3 and the Cap and Thor sequels after the Avengers. My bet is it only enhances the interest in the characters.