What if "BATMAN" (1989) were made today?

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Just a thought that came to me, as I've been reading the original Sam Hamm draft of "Batman" the last few days: What if Tim Burton's first Batman film were made today?

I'm referring to, specifically, a "B'89" created in a post-Nolan universe world. What would be done differently?

In Hamm's script, we have a Bruce Wayne that is much more in line with Christian Bale's portrayal, i.e., the model millionaire playboy. He takes Vicki out on his yacht, to the opera, horseback riding, etc.

I think we'd get a different spin on the Wayne murders, just to differentiate from the Nolan films and the animated series. In this version, the Waynes are returning home from a costume party (in which Thomas Wayne dressed up like a giant bat) in the pouring rain when a man dressed as a clown speeds by in an ice cream truck and guns down Bruce's parents.

Commissioner Gordon would probably have a more expanded role. There would be more emphasis on the fact that Gordon was the beat cop who arrived at the scene when the Waynes were gunned down, and there might even be some allusions to Gordon suspecting that Wayne IS Batman.

I also think we would've gotten introductions to both Two-Face and Robin. As I mentioned in my other thread, I remember reading somewhere that in an early iteration of one of the "Batman" screenplays, Joker confronts Dent in the mayor's office and uses his acid-spewing flower to destroy half of Dent's face. And by now it's quite well known that the Joker inadvertently "creates" Robin by killing Dick's parents in Hamm's first draft of the script. It amazes me that after all these years, we still haven't had a satisfyingly true-to-the-comics portrayal of the Boy Wonder on screen.

Regarding the Joker, I think we'd also see Harley Quinn in the film. I wonder if anyone could propose a way in which Alicia's character could be rewritten so that she becomes Harley and assists the Joker in his crimes throughout the film. If you could somehow combine the roles of Alicia and Bob the Goon then there would be no reason NOT to use her. Maybe we'd have a climax where Batman is pushed to his absolute limit and nearly kills Joker before Gordon arrives on the scene and stops him just in the nick of time.

Anyone else have ideas?
 
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Not sure about all of what you said, as most of this stuff is from Modern/Bronze Age. Even before the script, it has been decided by Gubers and Peters to adapt the earliest era of Batman mythology since it was the darkest and grimmest, which is from the earliest DC issues. Therefore no Robin, quiet Batman, small role for Gordon, etc

If the movie was made today, I dont think it wouldve been as imaginative. Burton still has it judging by Sweeney Todd, but he isnt what he used to be. Plus the movie was made in times when people actually paid attention to the story and actually allowed movies to be movies, instead of focusing what would work in real life or on all whys and hows of the plot
 
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Honestly, I'd be scared to death of such a film had it never been made and where about to be made by Tim Burton.

Burton is... who he is. I'd call him a weirdo freak show nut, others would call him imaginative and creative and a genius.

End of the day, he's a very specific taste that you either love or hate. I don't know anyone who is on the fence about him. Which is problematic, as a polarizing director just cuts into your fan base.

The big problem is, he goes too far down the rabbit hole. The reason Batman 89 was an ok film was because he had yet to rise to such heights of power as to do whatever he wanted. We saw with "Batman Returns" how dangerous he could be once he had a full head of steam. He had delivered a successful "Batman" and when the sequel came, he pushed the boundaries farther than they should have gone and the result was a mixed bag at best.

In 1997... well, do research if you're not already familiar with the travesty that would have been his foray into a "Superman" film with Nicolas Cage, and a sentient super-suit that lived in a garbage can.

If Burton of 2011 where doing "Batman" we would get something so freakish, so garish, so nightmare-like, so out of control and unwieldy, that it would be a mixed box office and critical reaction that would polarize the fan base and fall into a niche cult classic status without much in the way of making bank.

Only Burton's lack of 'star power' made it possible to reign him under control for the 89 film. A modern Burton doing such? He'd be unstoppable in doing whatever freakish concepts he wanted, and in the process would make the sickening Danny DeVito fish and black blood gross-out festival of Batman Returns look like a pre-school field trip...
 
burton's still got his style.

unfortunately if it was made today, it wouldn't have its adult rating and would be dumbed down for a mass market.

i think that's the only real change it would be, artistically it could be even better i feel.

and while burton is slightly lighter, he isn't at all lite yet. But just like in batman returns, it would take him a good film to let him get into his stride with it.
 
If Burton of 2011 where doing "Batman" we would get something so freakish, so garish, so nightmare-like, so out of control and unwieldy,

That actually sounds pretty amazing. Such description of a movie would get me into theater alone. Naturally, it all depends what everyone likes, but personally for me the 89 movie cant hold a candle to Returns, and is a far more interesting, better made and fairy tale-ish love story, as oppose to B89 which I love, but is simply a Gothic/gangster superhero movie with great feel and visuals and casting, but still a superhero movie about Batman saving the day. Returns was so much more, being a gothic drama of bizarre figures that ended up on a sour note for all of them on christmas eve
 
yeah, it's funny how no one has tried the xmas thing again. It suits the gotham and batman setting perfectly.
 
Yeah, it fits well with depressing and dark tone, even if its usually a happy time. And it fit well contrasting Christmas with 3 figures that led a very grim and failed lives.

Anyway, I just wanted to add that Batman today wouldnt necessary be fully Burtonesque. Planet of the Apes was so "normal" and contemporary that I would have never ever guessed that its a Tim Burton movie
 

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