What If the glasses are gone!

[hopefuldreamer]

I find Batman and Robin entertaining too.

Technically.

Me too. Kind of love that movie, especially when I was younger

 

[Dr.]

Tossing Lois Lane into his past in Smallville made things bizarre too, and having her fall for the farmboy Clark before Superman even existed. Heck, she knew his secret and helped him towards Superman.

As far as lending credence to the “disguise,” I thought that was an interesting approach. The notion of “hiding in plain sight” only works when the person is so innocuous as to be practically invisible - an “extra” in the background. But it beggars belief that Lois could have a romance with Supes and work intimately with CK - and not be able to tell the difference. It makes more sense that Lois (especially) would be in on the secret.

 

[Rockstar]

Lois isn't supposed to work intimately with CK. She's supposed to barely notice him and be fixated on Superman. That's how the disguise works, at least for live action purposes.

The comics and cartoons can stretch reality and belivability alot more.

 

[shauner111]

I think i just never liked how coincidental it was for Lois and Clark to be working together in the same workplace, while all of this stuff is going down with Superman. He's hitting the news in a huge way, all reporters are gonna make it their top priority. Why would Clark Kent wanna work in a place like that? Who cares if he's passionate about reporting or it's an easy way to get good stuff on "Superman". The best disguise (with or without glasses) would be for the guy to make a living with a job that is a little more low key. Has nothing to do with Superman, reporting, journalism.

Thing is, you CAN'T do it any other way because he needs to meet Lois, they need to have that back and forth exchange. There needs to be drama with people possibly finding out he's Superman, but without it happening. I always understood the reasons but never got the logic. It's just my stupid personal opinion but it's always bugged me! It's way too conveniant to have him working as a reporter. AND THATS WHERE HE CHOOSES TO BUILD HIS DISGUISE? Puhh-leaaase. Cmon Clark make it easier on yourself and get a job where u dont have to risk ur identity so much.

At least Peter Parker has his entire face covered up when spider-man! Now if they truly made him a guy in the backround. With Lois almost never interacting with him, maybe one or two run-ins where she doesnt notice him.

But what about his other co-workers? At least make it a huge joke in the office where they all call him a nerdy version of Superman, and he just has the geek mode down pat, and always has an alibi, etc. That's fine. It's just the whole black or white way of doing it (like its ALWAYS been done in the past) is just not what i feel like seeing anymore. Its too much of a slap in the face to the characters around him.

Thats my rant. im done lol. Everyone seems down for more "classic clark kent isms", so maybe im just not that into the source material enough..but yeah thats what i think.

 

[Dr.]

Lois isn't supposed to work intimately with CK. She's supposed to barely notice him and be fixated on Superman. That's how the disguise works, at least for live action purposes.

Perhaps that’s the way it should be done for plausibility’s sake. But it never has. In The Adventures of Superman, Lois & Clark and the Reeve movies - “barely notices” doesn’t accurately describes the relationship. Indeed, in many stories (to the point of cliché), Lois actively suspects CK and Supes as one and the same. Such hunches don’t arise from not paying attention to physical (and other) resemblances.

 

[El Payaso]

I think i just never liked how coincidental it was for Lois and Clark to be working together in the same workplace, while all of this stuff is going down with Superman. He's hitting the news in a huge way, all reporters are gonna make it their top priority. Why would Clark Kent wanna work in a place like that? Who cares if he's passionate about reporting or it's an easy way to get good stuff on "Superman". The best disguise (with or without glasses) would be for the guy to make a living with a job that is a little more low key. Has nothing to do with Superman, reporting, journalism.

Thing is, you CAN'T do it any other way because he needs to meet Lois, they need to have that back and forth exchange. There needs to be drama with people possibly finding out he's Superman, but without it happening. I always understood the reasons but never got the logic. It's just my stupid personal opinion but it's always bugged me! It's way too conveniant to have him working as a reporter. AND THATS WHERE HE CHOOSES TO BUILD HIS DISGUISE? Puhh-leaaase. Cmon Clark make it easier on yourself and get a job where u dont have to risk ur identity so much.

At least Peter Parker has his entire face covered up when spider-man! Now if they truly made him a guy in the backround. With Lois almost never interacting with him, maybe one or two run-ins where she doesnt notice him.

But what about his other co-workers? At least make it a huge joke in the office where they all call him a nerdy version of Superman, and he just has the geek mode down pat, and always has an alibi, etc. That's fine. It's just the whole black or white way of doing it (like its ALWAYS been done in the past) is just not what i feel like seeing anymore. Its too much of a slap in the face to the characters around him.

Thats my rant. im done lol. Everyone seems down for more "classic clark kent isms", so maybe im just not that into the source material enough..but yeah thats what i think.

You gotta be my friend.

 

[ElDuderino]

Lois isn't supposed to work intimately with CK. She's supposed to barely notice him and be fixated on Superman. That's how the disguise works, at least for live action purposes.

The comics and cartoons can stretch reality and belivability alot more.

I think you've got that backwards. In reality, she wouldn't fixate on anyone to the point that she doesn't recognize someone else who looks identical to the person she's fixated on. That makes no sense at all.

 

[Clarkman]

I wonder why nobody has asked gillberg2k1 if the glasses are present in the movie. His answer would surely put the discussion to rest.

 

[Rust]

I wonder why nobody has asked gillberg2k1 if the glasses are present in the movie. His answer would surely put the discussion to rest.

I dont think that's how he works. I dont think he spoils anything, but merely gives hints and tidbits about the productions. I wonder if he works in the industry?

 

[Superfreak]

the Reeve movies - “barely notices” doesn’t accurately describes the relationship.

except for STM, and the beginning of SII she knew the whole time

 

[Rockstar]

Perhaps that’s the way it should be done for plausibility’s sake. But it never has. In The Adventures of Superman, Lois & Clark and the Reeve movies - “barely notices” doesn’t accurately describes the relationship. Indeed, in many stories (to the point of cliché), Lois actively suspects CK and Supes as one and the same. Such hunches don’t arise from not paying attention to physical (and other) resemblances.

Lois and Clark and TAoS are bad bad examples.

Both portrayed the identity in a completely unbelievable and campy light.


And in the Reeve films, Lois was distant from Clark... until Superman II, the film where she learned his identity. There was still a lot of 70s campiness in that approach.

 

[Rodrigo90]

The glasses won't be gone, I guarantee it.

I also guarantee Clark will pull of a Jeff Goldblum persona, cause nobody would assume a guy like that to be secretly Superman would they?

¨Clark. Are you, Superman?¨

¨Oh...my! MY! God! Ah, I cannot, ah, ah, CANNOT! Believe, that you would, ah, ah, ask me, ah, ask ME!, ah, that, THAT! That, ah, right there, ah, is ah, a complete, ah, ah, ah, violation, of, ah, ah, our, OUR!, ah, trust. You, ah, ah, cannot, ah, really can't, ah, ah, go around, ah, acussing, ACCUSING!, ah, people, of, ah, things, like, ah, that...ah, ah, Lois, ah.¨

 

[Rust]

I think more people will be aware of Clark being Supes this time. I wouldnt mind if Lois and Jimmy (and possibly Perry) found out fairly early on.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

It'd bother me if they find out too early.

If they don't even really know Clark Kent first before they find out Superman is Clark Kent, where is the shock factor? Where's the drama? The big reveal moment is gone.

And that's part of what I love about Superhero films.

It's different in a setting like ASM, where they've already known each other for a long time.

But I'd hate for Lois to find out when they've only just met.

 

[Rust]

It'd bother me if they find out too early.

If they don't even really know Clark Kent first before they find out Superman is Clark Kent, where is the shock factor? Where's the drama? The big reveal moment is gone.

And that's part of what I love about Superhero films.

It's different in a setting like ASM, where they've already known each other for a long time.

But I'd hate for Lois to find out when they've only just met.

Very true. I do feel that they might go the former route to refer to the realism maybe. It'll probably happen somehow in the sequel.

 

[Dr.]

Lois and Clark and TAoS are bad bad examples.

Both portrayed the identity in a completely unbelievable and campy light.


And in the Reeve films, Lois was distant from Clark... until Superman II, the film where she learned his identity. There was still a lot of 70s campiness in that approach.

Fair enough. But you said originally…

Lois isn't supposed to work intimately with CK. She's supposed to barely notice him and be fixated on Superman. That's how the disguise works, at least for live action purposes.

I listed (almost) all the live action versions and they all establish a close relationship between Lois and Supes and Lois and Clark. Even within the comics, this is practically canon. Now if you’re saying canon got this wrong, I can appreciate that. Generally, “tradition” isn’t a good defense for a bad idea.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Well, they could always go with Plan B:

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Well, colour me fooled, that waitress disguise is bloody perfect.

 

[Fudgie]

I can't imagine Clark Kent without the glasses.

 

[Krumm]

The glasses won't be gone, I guarantee it.

I also guarantee Clark will pull of a Jeff Goldblum persona, cause nobody would assume a guy like that to be secretly Superman would they?

¨Clark. Are you, Superman?¨

¨Oh...my! MY! God! Ah, I cannot, ah, ah, CANNOT! Believe, that you would, ah, ah, ask me, ah, ask ME!, ah, that, THAT! That, ah, right there, ah, is ah, a complete, ah, ah, ah, violation, of, ah, ah, our, OUR!, ah, trust. You, ah, ah, cannot, ah, really can't, ah, ah, go around, ah, acussing, ACCUSING!, ah, people, of, ah, things, like, ah, that...ah, ah, Lois, ah.¨

I didn't know an impersonation could be typed so well. Fantastic

 

[I Am The Knight]

Ugh, I really want the glasses but I'm not sure that I can accept them as a disguise anymore.

 

[Rockstar]

Fair enough. But you said originally…

I listed (almost) all the live action versions and they all establish a close relationship between Lois and Supes and Lois and Clark. Even within the comics, this is practically canon. Now if you’re saying canon got this wrong, I can appreciate that. Generally, “tradition” isn’t a good defense for a bad idea.

Perhaps I should have used the word "should" in there.


The vast majority of the live action versions of Superman have been either campy or ridiculously bad.

Superman The Movie, and to a lesser extent II and Returns are the only decent ones when it comes to the identity, respective to their own time periods of course.



I know how the comics work, but that's a different medium. A film audience will get disengaged if their intelligence is insulted. Especially in a film like MoS; very grounded.


There has to be a logic behind the CK disguise. The versions you mentioned lacked that logic. George Reeves and Dean Cain basically played Clark Kent and Superman as exactly the same, at the expense of the believability.

 

[Dr.]

I know how the comics work, but that's a different medium. A film audience will get disengaged if their intelligence is insulted. Especially in a film like MoS; very grounded.

There has to be a logic behind the CK disguise. The versions you mentioned lacked that logic. George Reeves and Dean Cain basically played Clark Kent and Superman as exactly the same, at the expense of the believability.

I agree. As fans who’ve invested a bit of thought in the mythos, we can appreciate the dramatic interplay and nuances of the CK-Supes-Lois “triangle.” But I think many non-fans get stuck at the first level - the implausibility of the disguise. Sure, we can stamp our feet and say “that’s part of the charm! - like it or leave it.” Well, apparently, a number have left.

I don’t think you can do away with the glasses. But I think there are ways to make them more plausible by changing the familiar character dynamics. I.e., don’t have Lois, Perry or Jimmy regularly interacting with both Superman and Clark. If Lois and Supes have a romantic moment, the next scene can’t be (an oblivious) Lois and CK investigating a story. But in the eyes of many, those type of restrictions sacrifice the “charm.” It’s a tricky problem. Which is why I gravitate to the Smallville “solution”: just have Lois know.

 

[JAK®]

Ugh, I really want the glasses but I'm not sure that I can accept them as a disguise anymore.

The glasses are only part of the disguise, they are not the disguise.

 

[Rust]

Thank you. Nobody gets it.

 

[JAK®]

Groucho Marx's famous moustache was fake for many years. He eventually grew a moustache because whenever he would introduce himself as Groucho, people would say "You're not Groucho, where's your moustache?"