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I don't mind Hogan, mainly because I am pretty sure the Poffo family would not have signed off on anything they did not approve of. I know Hogan and Savage hated each other for a long time, but maybe they came to terms in their later years, who knows.
 
I think the Savage DVD confirms that he and Hulk made amends towards the latter part of his life.
 
I finished Raw this morning before work because I spent so much time last night on the football game.

I genuinely felt bad for a Reigns during that promo. I don't know how much of it was him and how much of it was creative, but that was one of the worst promos I've ever seen.

However, the Daniel Bryan stuff makes it look like he is being booked to win the Royal Rumble, but that could be wishful thinking.

I'm just not sure what they're doing with Ambrose. It's like they obviously see his value and give him ample screen time, but who knows what they're doing? Could he be the one to dethrone Rusev?
 
Also, damn Paul Heyman and Seth Rollins are both so damn good.
 
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Where did you get that from?
 
what happened to Reigns? why was his promo so bad?
 
Pretty good promo from Bryan on Backstage Fallout:

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Dunno if this has been posted or not but an add for Raw in Allentown is in our local grocery store and it advertises John Cena as the newly crowed (post Rumble) WWE Champion tearing into Allentown PA..
 
I don't post in here much, but with the big Macho Man Hall of Fame announcement last night, I had to share this... I told the story at the time after it happened, but a friend of mine recently found a youtube video someone took of me cosplaying as Randy Savage in NO the night before WM last year lol. I run in at about 1:45 into the video.

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what happened to Reigns? why was his promo so bad?


Because they're trying to force him to become something he's not. They're taking that amusing "little teacup" commercial he did a while ago and trying to expand that into his whole character.
 
So f'n glad that Randy Savage is finally going into the WWE HOF!
 
I figured Diesel would make it in this year, as well (like Razor Ramon last year), but I wonder if the charges against him will stop that from happening.
 
Roman Reigns and the search for an Identity

If I wrote a blog on wrestling this would be the topic right now. I admittedly didn't see his promo tonight but the feedback I've seen describes it as anywhere from awkward to cringe worthy to excruciatingly embarrassing. So, pretty much in line with his last 2 attempts.

When you look at WWE right now, Rollins has transitioned into being a singles star effortlessly, he was always great in the ring but now he has his heel persona down pat and his mic skills have vastly improved over the last year. Ambrose, well, they are just letting him do him, albeit toned down, and whether you like the rubber power ranger outfit and the ECW reject look, both have clearly separated themselves from their Shield incarnations.

Now look at Roman, he has the same look he had in The Shield and comes out to the same music, but these days he has no one to cover up for him on the mic and nobody to fill out the body of his matches. Essentially they took the engine and chassis out of the car and left the cool body shell.

Given that the other two have gone successfully into the singles phase of their careers with characters that work, did Roman simply not speak up as to how he wants to be portrayed, or is he too green and doesn't really know how to act or talk without his safety net?

Whichever it is the outcome has been Vince doing to him what he did to Cena. On SD when Cena won the WWE title he was really over and had his own style of promo. Then he moved to Raw and suddenly he's all goofy joke promos where he comes off like a lame Rock impersonator who at the same time is trying to be a badass like Austin.

Reigns is now in this slot, Vince eventually chose to just make Cena into Hogan 2.0 and we've had that for 8 years or so, and Cena's charisma and genuine ability on the mic allowed him to overcome the horrendous character interference to a large degree, I am not sure Roman has the natural showmanship or mic skills to do the same.

Logically he should be a man of few words, like early years Taker and Diesel, or even Goldberg as he's got presence and a cool voice for simple, short, no nonsense lines. However WWE is so promo driven they are trying to force him into their mold, but they are doing it by giving him a third hand set of scripts that Rock would have wiped his ass with 15 years ago, and Roman simply doesn't have the experience or natural mic ability to find a way to make these type of promos work.

So where does that leave him? If Vince thinks he can go for another ten years of a split audience top guy I think he's mistaken. Cena made that work with the way he actually played into it and utilized it, his whole colourful look and cheesy grin stuff and mic skills made it gel, Roman will end up closer to Batista unless they alter the course they are on.

It's a tired approach and I'm not wholly sure it would work, but I'd turn him heel, put him with Heyman, give him a suit and some fresh ring gear, and let him grow by cutting promos where he can play off Heyman and grow in confidence on the mic and find his own voice. These days you nearly always need to get over as a heel before you can get over as a face as the audience take convincing to cheer someone, you could argue The Shield was over as heels so he's done that already, I'd argue The Shield was greater than the sum of it's parts at the time and over as a unit, since the split all 3 have needed to get over again.

What I've been saying, man. :up: I'm gonna talk about this when I record my Raw review today.
 
Roman Reigns and the search for an Identity

If I wrote a blog on wrestling this would be the topic right now. I admittedly didn't see his promo tonight but the feedback I've seen describes it as anywhere from awkward to cringe worthy to excruciatingly embarrassing. So, pretty much in line with his last 2 attempts.

When you look at WWE right now, Rollins has transitioned into being a singles star effortlessly, he was always great in the ring but now he has his heel persona down pat and his mic skills have vastly improved over the last year. Ambrose, well, they are just letting him do him, albeit toned down, and whether you like the rubber power ranger outfit and the ECW reject look, both have clearly separated themselves from their Shield incarnations.

Now look at Roman, he has the same look he had in The Shield and comes out to the same music, but these days he has no one to cover up for him on the mic and nobody to fill out the body of his matches. Essentially they took the engine and chassis out of the car and left the cool body shell.

Given that the other two have gone successfully into the singles phase of their careers with characters that work, did Roman simply not speak up as to how he wants to be portrayed, or is he too green and doesn't really know how to act or talk without his safety net?

Whichever it is the outcome has been Vince doing to him what he did to Cena. On SD when Cena won the WWE title he was really over and had his own style of promo. Then he moved to Raw and suddenly he's all goofy joke promos where he comes off like a lame Rock impersonator who at the same time is trying to be a badass like Austin.

Reigns is now in this slot, Vince eventually chose to just make Cena into Hogan 2.0 and we've had that for 8 years or so, and Cena's charisma and genuine ability on the mic allowed him to overcome the horrendous character interference to a large degree, I am not sure Roman has the natural showmanship or mic skills to do the same.

Logically he should be a man of few words, like early years Taker and Diesel, or even Goldberg as he's got presence and a cool voice for simple, short, no nonsense lines. However WWE is so promo driven they are trying to force him into their mold, but they are doing it by giving him a third hand set of scripts that Rock would have wiped his ass with 15 years ago, and Roman simply doesn't have the experience or natural mic ability to find a way to make these type of promos work.

So where does that leave him? If Vince thinks he can go for another ten years of a split audience top guy I think he's mistaken. Cena made that work with the way he actually played into it and utilized it, his whole colourful look and cheesy grin stuff and mic skills made it gel, Roman will end up closer to Batista unless they alter the course they are on.

It's a tired approach and I'm not wholly sure it would work, but I'd turn him heel, put him with Heyman, give him a suit and some fresh ring gear, and let him grow by cutting promos where he can play off Heyman and grow in confidence on the mic and find his own voice. These days you nearly always need to get over as a heel before you can get over as a face as the audience take convincing to cheer someone, you could argue The Shield was over as heels so he's done that already, I'd argue The Shield was greater than the sum of it's parts at the time and over as a unit, since the split all 3 have needed to get over again.


Here, have a cookie:

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- Michael Cole came out to boos. JBL and Booker T came out to nice pops.

- John Cena opened the show to a mixed reaction as usual. I was proud of my New Orleans crowd as there were more boos than cheers for Cena. At one point, a “Butter Face” chant broke out directed at Stephanie. I did not partake in this chant. I think Stephanie is sexy and even better looking in person.

-I yelled “We want Sting” at Triple H a few times. I am Sting mark!The segment dragged a little but set up a nice lumberjack match between Rollins and Cena.

- Seth Rollins vs John Cena (Lumberjack Match): Even though I want to see Ziggler come back, I cheered for Rollins the entire time. Others joined me but the kiddos made their presence known. A lot of fans were heckling Big Show. I won’t mention the things that were yelled at him. He was a good sport about it though. He told one fan to “sit down fat boy.” It reminded me of the Nature Boy on WCW Nitro days. Good times. The powerbomb Rollins gave Cena into the turnbuckle was great stuff. Rollins is a great heel! He plays the screechy, arrogant heel perfectly. He’s a star.

- Cesaro and Tyson Kidd vs. Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods: I was cheering for Cesaro and Kidd throughout the match. There were a few “New Day sucks” chants but nothing too noticeable. I hope Cesaro/Kidd get a push at the tag titles. Fans cheering for them (like me) won’t help matters though. Doing the Cesaro swing won’t help them get over as heels either.

- Roman Reigns Promo: Ah, here’s where things started to really pick up. Reigns’ promo was one of the worst I’ve ever heard. I’m talking “Jumpin Jeff Farmer” bad. I booed Reigns after every pause. I could really hear the crowd start to join me in booing Reigns. As petty as it may seem, I felt pleased with myself.

- Luke Harper vs. Roman Reigns: As one might assume, I booed the hell out of Roman Reigns. There wasn’t really anybody cheering for Reigns. Even the kiddos stopped cheering for him.

-There was a huge “Lets Go Harper” chant that broke out in a different section of the arena. The reaction for Reigns is awful right now. His promo should be the death of his current big time push. There’s no way he’s winning the Rumble. Believe that.

- Alicia Fox vs. Naomi: What the hell was this?

- Paul Heyman/Brock Lesnar: Surprisingly, Lesnar actually got quite a bit of cheers. Heyman did his thing. Lesnar stood there like a beast.

- The Miz vs Jey Uso: Like most of you have noticed, Sandow is over!

- Daniel Bryan’s Promo: The crowd went ballistic for DB! He had the biggest pop of the night by far. It’s not even close. We all hung on every word he said. I completely marked out for DB and the rest of the NOLA crowd did as well. Vince wants to talk about brass rings? Nobody and I mean nobody deserves the brass ring more than Bryan. He’s over with the smarks. He’s over with the kids. He’s over with EVERYONE. He’s a superstar. I can’t wait to watch the Rumble in Philly. “If Bryan doesn’t win, we riot.” There were a lot of people doing the Hacksaw Jim Duggan HOOOOOOOOO! thing at Stephanie. I joined in. I can’t lie about it.

Paige vs. Brie Bella: I was one of the only few people in the arena cheering for Paige. I’m simply in love with her. It drives my girlfriend crazy but I can’t help myself.

- The Ascension vs. Two Jobbers: There was a “Lets Go Jobbers” chant that I joined in on. One of the jobbers looked a little like a mini-KENTA (Hideo Itami). He took a beating. I hope he’s okay.

Rusev vs. Dean Ambrose: Odd pairing here. The crowd booed Rusev and cheered Ambrose. That’s about it. Like I said, odd pairing. Oh, and Lana was magnificent as usual.

Closing Segment: Raw closed to a cool ending. Brock Lesnar was the crowd favorite here (although I don’t know how it came across on TV). Cena got his cheers from the kiddos but the adult male demographic definitely cheered for Lesnar.

Dark Main Event: Bray Wyatt vs. Dean Ambrose. Bray Wyatt came out first. He said he was happy to be home in New Orleans!! I marked the F out for this! I’ve been waiting for Bray to turn babyface and be billed from New Orleans! I was dying for Bray to say “New Orleans, were home” at Mania 30 but it never happened. The crowd popped nicely when Bray said he was happy to be home tonight. The crowd ended up cheering for Ambrose when he came out though. They exchanged some kendo shots and that was pretty much that. I’m excited as hell for Bray turning face though. “New Orleans, I’m home” – Bray Wyatt

Other Notes

-I don’t remember where the Randy Savage HOF inductee promo occurred but it was well received by the fans. Of course, the kiddos had no idea who he was but the adult fans cheered. All I can say is that it’s about damn time! Long live Randy Savage!

-I don’t know how the Ambrose/psychiatrist skits came off on TV but they were pretty well received by the live crowd. Everyone loved the Hacksaw Jim Duggan HOOOOOOOOOO for Stephanie!

-Quite a few Sting shirts and marks in the audience tonight (including my girlfriend and me). His Raw debut will be special. I can’t wait.

-Cena’s popularity has decreased overall.

-Wyatt will turn babyface soon!

-Reigns isn’t over at all. If anything, he’s getting more and more boos. The Rumble should be fun. That Philly crowd will eat him alive.

-As much heat as WWE gets, I really appreciated them tying together tonight’s episode of Raw with WrestleMania 30. I was at Mania 30 so I was pleased that it (and the city of New Orleans) were mentioned so much.


Biggest Pops
1. Daniel Bryan (by a mile)
2. Dean Ambrose
3. Brock Lesnar/John Cena (TIE)
4. Damien Sandow (Mizdow)
5. Randy Savage HOF Induction
6. Bray Wyatt announcing “New Orleans, I’m home”

Most Heat
1. Rusev
2. Triple H and Stephanie
3. Seth Rollins/John Cena (TIE)
4. Big Show
5. The Miz
6. Reigns’ Promo


Source: http://wrestling.insidepulse.com/20...aw-live-report-interesting-live-notes-report/
 
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Roman Reigns — who is supposedly WWE’s golden boy, and star of the future — has been cutting some horrendous promos on WWE television ever since he returned from injury in December, and the reason could be — according to F4WOnline’s Bryan Alvarez — that WWE could be planning on turning Reigns heel.


With Brock Lesnar likely leaving WWE after WrestleMania 31, WWE will be in need of a main-event caliber, monster heel, and Roman Reigns could be the man for the job.

Reigns hasn’t been getting the reaction from the fans that WWE has been wanting him to get leading into the Royal Rumble, where Reigns is expected to win, and head to the main-event of WrestleMania 31, where he’ll win the WWE championship. As a result, WWE may be looking to do with Reigns what they did with The Rock early in his career, which is turn him heel, then when he’s ready, turn him back babyface, and hopefully he’ll be WWE’s next mega-star.

The word is that Vince McMahon himself has been writing all of Reigns’ promos as of late, and is adding comedy to them to humanize Reigns so the WWE fans can relate to him. Vince McMahon’s vision for Reigns is to make him a carbon-copy of John Cena, which many pro wrestling critics don’t believe will work.

Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer believes that if WWE is still planning on pushing Reigns as the company’s top babyface, that making him exactly like John Cena will not work. Meltzer notes that the reason Hulk Hogan worked was because he was different from Bruno Sammartino, the reason Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart worked was because they were different from Hulk Hogan, and the reason The Rock and “Stone Cold” Steve Austin worked was because they were different from Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart. Meltzer believes that you can’t make the top guy of the next generation be exactly the same as the top guy from the previous generation, and based on the lack of reaction that Reigns has received as of late, Meltzer could be right.

WWE’s quick fix to Roman Reigns struggling to connect with the WWE fans could be to make him the company’s top heel for the next year, while Daniel Bryan and John Cena work as WWE’s top babyfaces. However, Reigns is still the favorite to win this year’s Royal Rumble match as a babyface. But a Roman Reigns heel turn isn’t out of the question.



Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1751364/wwe-news-roman-reigns-heel-turn-in-the-works/#2Q9SygZ7JYzc0r4l.99
 
I'm proud of him for booing Cena. That man can't get booed enogh in my eyes. I agree also that a heel turn maybe good for Reigns. When Lesnar leaves, they should let Al Haymon be his hype man like he is for Brock Lesnar. That will cover for his lack of mic skills.
 
Last night, I was thinking that turning Reigns is the way to go, as well. With Lesnar probably leaving soon, Paul Heyman is going to need a new guy.
 
Sheamus should return as a monster heel.
 
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A pretty good "Angry Paige" promo on Backstage Fallout:

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