The Dark Knight What makes TDK so special?

[Diabo]

Agreed. What I like about the Empire list is it's based on votes from hundred of thousands of people. Not just the Empire staff. The Hollywood one is based on votes from Studio chiefs, Oscar winners and TV royalty.

Mr. Chris Nolan should be proud his Dark Knight movie is so renowned and loved. I wonder how many voted for the Hitfix superhero movie list. It doesn't say.

Oh, now i get it. So, whatever is more popular wins.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

The basis of those lists was people voting for what they consider the best movies. That's how they ranked their lists, based on the vote numbers. So yes the one with the most votes got the top place on each list.

I prefer lists like that which are based on many opinions rather than just one person like these lists usually are based on.

 

[batman1]

Mr. Nolan!

 

[The Joker]

Six Years later...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYx6NE9Xy4I

http://nukethefridge.com/2014/05/30...reatest-movies-time-list-see-film-number-one/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/list/100-greatest-films-all-time-713215

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...ight-25-greatest-superhero-movies-of-all-time



Still the consensus best!

Long may it stay that way.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I think it was the way the story was told. To me, that's one of the most important things a comic book movie needs in order for it to be successful. Not a lot of them have achieved that IMO. I want to feel for these characters in the end. TDK was one of those films that did that.

 

[Lilbaz]

Heath Ledger made the film. Tbh the rest was pretty crap.

 

[Agent Orange]

EDIT: Nevermind. That opinion will never stop being asinine. For a myriad of reasons.

 

[batfreakforever]

It was a comic book film like no other before or even after it.

 

[BatsDC]

EDIT: Nevermind. That opinion will never stop being asinine. For a myriad of reasons.

Shouldn't ever say someone's opinion of a movie is wrong, you just disagree. Doesn't make it wrong.

 

[shauner111]

Heath Ledger made the film. Tbh the rest was pretty crap.

So everything else was crap. Directing, writing, the other acting and cast, everything with Harvey Dent, Bruce Wayne, Batman, Alfred, Lucious, Gordon, just crap. I understand not liking it as a batman movie or comic book movie because that's all about taste. But to say "crap". I'd love to know what films you consider good. Because at the very least, as a movie, i dont see how one can say it's "crap".

 

[Agent Orange]

Shouldn't ever say someone's opinion of a movie is wrong, you just disagree. Doesn't make it wrong.

It's asinine. While we're at it, lets pluck Hannibal Lecter from the Silence of the Lambs and see what we're left with. Bottomline: You can't fault a film for having an iconic performance/character.

 

[The Joker]

It's asinine. While we're at it, lets pluck Hannibal Lecter from the Silence of the Lambs and see what we're left with. Bottomline: You can't fault a film for having an iconic performance/character.

Hear hear

I'll never understand that mentality of criticism saying if you took out a key character performance the movie wouldn't be as good. I mean that applies to any movie.

 

[Squaremaster316]

It's asinine. While we're at it, lets pluck Hannibal Lecter from the Silence of the Lambs and see what we're left with. Bottomline: You can't fault a film for having an iconic performance/character.

Without Lector, SOTL would be discussed in the same context as The Bone Collector.

 

[Lilbaz]

So everything else was crap. Directing, writing, the other acting and cast, everything with Harvey Dent, Bruce Wayne, Batman, Alfred, Lucious, Gordon, just crap. I understand not liking it as a batman movie or comic book movie because that's all about taste. But to say "crap". I'd love to know what films you consider good. Because at the very least, as a movie, i dont see how one can say it's "crap".

Crap was a bit unfair. But Ledger made the film special.

 

[BatLobster]

It works both ways though. Ledger's performance would've been wasted in a lesser film. It's the marriage between the actor and the material that led to the magic. The Joker as a character is supposed to stand out anyway. But the film is full of great characters performances, again all driven by a really strong screenplay and very clear, strong vision unifying everything.

TDK is really one of the easiest films I've ever had to "defend".

 

[Agent Orange]

EDIT: D'oh! Wrong thread.

 

[The Joker]

It works both ways though. Ledger's performance would've been wasted in a lesser film. It's the marriage between the actor and the material that led to the magic. The Joker as a character is supposed to stand out anyway. But the film is full of great characters performances, again all driven by a really strong screenplay and very clear, strong vision unifying everything.

TDK is really one of the easiest films I've ever had to "defend".

Exactly. Green Lantern wouldn't be considered one of the best comic book movies of all time if they had put Heath's Joker in there. You need a good movie to compliment the character.

 

[batman1]

It was a comic book film like no other before or even after it.

What you said. It showed us the real sides of the characters we never understood before.

 

[The Joker]

^ I wouldn't go that far. It's more a case of showing them well, rather than showing us something we'd never seen before regarding the characters.

 

[BatLobster]

I would still say TDK took Batman, The Joker and Harvey Dent...three of the most crucial characters of the mythos, and told the most definitive story involving all three of them that's ever been told in any medium.

I can't think of another story that was as great of a Joker story as the one we got in TDK while also being a great Harvey Dent/Two-Face origin story.

And then making the ending about hiding Dent's downfall from the city even after he's dead, that was new territory for the mythology and made for one of the most powerful endings of any Batman story ever.

The potential was always there in the characters, but TDK really crystalized it IMO.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

This thread.

 

[The Joker]

I would still say TDK took Batman, The Joker and Harvey Dent...three of the most crucial characters of the mythos, and told the most definitive story involving all three of them that's ever been told in any medium.

I can't think of another story that was as great of a Joker story as the one we got in TDK while also being a great Harvey Dent/Two-Face origin story.

And then making the ending about hiding Dent's downfall from the city even after he's dead, that was new territory for the mythology and made for one of the most powerful endings of any Batman story ever.

The potential was always there in the characters, but TDK really crystalized it IMO.

Now that I agree with

 

[BatLobster]

Something random I came across in a RDJ interview:

When Chris Reeve was Superman and Michael Keaton the first Batman, I never would have believed how dominant this genre could become, with intrigue, suspense, family. I have no beef with the way anything goes down. I was gob smacked when I work up one morning and heard, “You’re nominated for Tropic Thunder,” and I was like, “Huh?” If someone really takes a risk, it doesn’t get dismissed. That’s what happened when the Oscar was won posthumously by Heath Ledger, who did one of the definitive villain performances of all time. But it really has to be exceptional in defining everything we previously knew about the actress or the actor.

http://deadline.com/2014/10/robert-downey-jr-qa-the-judge-iron-man-4-mel-gibson-845359/

I know Downey famously trash-talked TDK but I always figured it was a bit of tongue-in-cheek trolling. Anyway, nice to see that little show of respect. It's always cool when you hear other actors admire the performance.

 

[Agent Orange]

Cool find. And RDJ was definitely playing with his "F Batman!" stuff. Iron Man came out two months before The Dark Knight... Marvel... DC... he was just having some fun.

 

[The Joker]

Downey was probably a little annoyed that Iron Man got eclipsed by TDK that year, but I don't think he harbored any real resentment towards TDK itself as a movie, just the fact that his CBM kind of got pushed out of the spotlight after TDK came out.

That's a great quote there. He was always a booster of Heath's performance.