What needs to get done to make a solid 4th movie?

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  1. batman497 Registered

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    First off it needs to step out of wolverine's shadow and focus on different characters and develop them. Cyclops needs to be back..PERIOD..
    We need different villains, enough with Magneto and Mckellan bring on sinister, apocalypse.
    Bring back Halle not because she was very good but for the star power,bring back marsden, recast xavier if he's too expensive.
    Gambit needs to take wolvie's spot as the cool guy on the team. Make wolverine a background character. Let him have his own series just a few peeks of him here and there and if need be recast him no big deal.
    Enough with humans being the terrible people in every instance. Let's start now with the relationships of characters. Mutants vs mutants with humans caught in the middle.
     
  2. TheVelvetOnion Registered

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    I disagree with cyclops return...

    The way x-men ended we are left with the flexablity to create a new style of x-men films. We have Wolverine continuing his story, And magneto carrying on his. Cyclops, Jean and Professor X is gone. let it go

    Lets move away from the school and look at a more possible reality for them.

    We have Iceman, Rogue (Depowered) Angel, Colossus, Shadow Cat and even Pyro. These are the up and comming characters of the film.

    Remember when xavier was gone they created X-Factor. X-Factor should be an overal theme for the next film.

    Re-Write its origin, have the presendent order Beast and White Queen to create a team of mutants willing to help resolve some of the issues that occure, bring in Iceman, Rogue and Angel who were members of the x-men team before its disbanding by Storm who focuses on the school.

    We can then bring in some of White Queen's characters, Havok Polaris and Forge.

    Villians

    To lead threads in, we need Mr Sinister - His Mauarders for the first film, The second film will feature Sinister and his creation of the horsemen, finally in a third film Apocaylpse with sinister plus three other horsemen.
     
  3. chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    I say bring back Cyclops. The characters got a lot more in him and Masden deserves another shoot, this time with actully something to do. He can lead the X men without Xavier in the film.

    Leave Storm and Wolverine out. Wolverine dominated the films. People will still she X Men movies if he isn't in them. Add Gambit to take Logans place.
    Halle probabley would want a large stack of the budget and a load of screen time when she hasn't really won me over as the character.

    Team based movie handling multiple characters. Yes it takes a special kind of director to juggle different characters but its not impossible and after all X men is a team, not one person.

    Keep Iceman, Shadowcat, angel, Beast, Colossus, Rogue just develop them more and bring them more to the forefront.
    With Bobby with Kitty. It leaves it open for Gambit to come in and hook up with Rogue.

    Have the 'Cure' lose its effects after 6 months. Having something they can just take to stop being a mutant kills off the franchise. I would like them to find there is no real cure and see them dealing with accepting what they are.

    villians can range from Legion, Hellfire Club, Sinister and his Mauraders, Apocalypse and his Horsemen. X Men still has tons of great storylines that can be adapted on to film.
     
  4. Canemacar Registered

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    I'd say:

    Use Havok as a stand-in for Cyke. I'd like to bring Scott back, but with all the resurrections that went on in the last film, it would just get boo'd at.

    Try to focus more on the team instead of one or two characters. THey'll be forced to do this since Jackman isn't interested in playing Wolverine anymore(outside of the solo flick).

    If t hey put Gambit in, keep him the f*** away from Rogue. Seriously, there's no quicker way to screw things up.

    Get a different villain, probably the Hellfire Club, or Sinister. Magneto is played out and Apocalypse is just ridiculous for a movie villain.
     
  5. batman497 Registered

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    I like the idea of trailing it into something different but I think Cyclops is such an important part of sinister, apocalypse and really all the x-men world that it would be a shame to not bring him back.
    My X-men 4 story
    1. Xavier returns in the body of his vegetated brother.
    2. Cyclops is alive but walks the world not knowing who he is his mind wiped by jean grey.if needed.
    3. Xavier returns to th surprise of all the students recast
    4. The kids have grown older and are real x-men
    5. Wolverine has left to japan
    6. No Magneto!!!
    7. Bad guys are sinister, havoc,gambit
    8. Cyclops finds and joins sinsister guided by a telepath.
    9. Xavier discovers Jean is alive on the asteral plane but can not get to her because of another mutant.
    10. We get a back story for cyclops and havoc not much for sinister
    11. Sinister is increasing mutants power for a battle of epic proportions
    12. Rogue and bobby have developed a normal relationship but bobby has he need to help while rogue wants to live a normal life.
    13. Rougue goes to sinister to restore her powers he does but he also adds strength and flight.Rogue falls for gambit. Sinister attacks with scott leading his new mutants.
    14. Battle insues.
    15. Xavier attacks scotts mind to undo what has happened once in the asteral plane he must battle the other mutant(who is apocalypse but we never know that) he is aided by jean and with the aid of scott they eventually free him.
    16. Scott turns on sinster and havoc annd leads the x-men against him.
    17. Rogue sees what she has done and turns on sinister as well with gambit because of his love for her helping. Together they all deeat sinister.
    18. Scott comes back to the team to lead knowing that jean still exists.
    19. Bobby tells rogue he loves her but she realizes gambit loved her with her powers and chooses him.
    20. The x-men establish two teams with cyclops and stprm leading.
    21. Forshadowing to apocalypse coming to destroy everything.
    22. Small sequence of wolverine in japan(which would tie in with the sequel to wolverine origin movie.
     
  6. batman497 Registered

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    Not thought out as well but my thoughts for x-men 5
    1. Apocalypse backstory
    2. Sinsiter developing horsemen(secretly has begun to make body for jean)
    3. Sinister backstory
    4. Apocalypse comes
    5. Humans have found peace with mutants and have excepted them in general society.
    6. X-men are pleased with themselves and are living in peace.Cyclops has visions of jean and has a psychic connection still to her.
    7. Mutant virus spreads killing humans and mutants.
    8. They work together to tey to cure it.
    9. Apocalypse and his horsemen begin to attack killing mutants all over the world.
    10. X-men prepare for there greatest battle
    11. X-men believe apocalypse created virus.
    12. He did in a way but they all are carriers.
    13. We find that the whole time the humans were right. The mutants all come from apocalyose the first mutant who created them specifically for the end of the world to spread the disease and kill the weak so that only the strong will survive.
    14. The mutants understand they are not special creatures who are the next stage of evolution they were but they were created just for death.
    15. The x-men feel like fools thinking they were defending right they were actually defending the end of the world.
    16. They go to battle with apocalypse knowing they will perish.
    17. As they look like they may fall humans come to help using the cure they are able to partially weaken apocalypse. Jean returns to help the x-men in a cloned body.
    18. Apocalypse's body is destroyed.
    19. Jean and sctt reunite.Get married.
    20. The humans and mutants come together again. The humans still are okay with the mutans even thought they now know the truth.
    We see them working together to cure the virus.

    Really the movie is a connection of the themes of the first three. Obviously a bunch of subjects come up like aids, exceptance of homosexuality, but gives a munch different view of human kind. It shows how far they have come from hating mutants to now tolerating and living side by side to make things better. I just thought it would be an interesting way to go with the story but also take it in a different direction then the previous films. I thought apocalypse would be great considering the beliefs of alot of religions and the end of the world. The viewed evil of homosexuality. And how we as people may be doing the wrong thing but by coming together andworking towards better things we can find common ground between all people.
     
  7. Snikt Registered

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    Just curious as to where you've heard this. I remember in an interview he said as an actor you always know when it's time to move on let go of a character. This was after X3 was released and he was talking about the Wolverine movie. He then said that he hasn't reached that mark point yet.

    Not trying to to start anything, I'm just really curious.

    You can find the video interview on rottentomatoes.com.
     
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    It was in an online interview from a little while ago. If you're that interested in it, I suggest talking o the folks in the Wolverine movie boards. They'd know better than I would.
     
  9. Angamb Registered

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    X4 needs:

    - A better script
    - Better Writers and director
    - A longer running time
    - More intimate scenes, and less action
    - Good character development, for each x-men, without anyone being "the star", so, a team movie, not a Logan one, again.
     
  10. FaT_tONle Registered

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    You want a solid X4... bring in a freaking director that can get it done... seriously... the cast isn't coming back... everyone knows this... lets just accept it. Marsden won't ever come back... neither will Halle... and Stewart will be enjoying retirement in a few years if he isn't already... Jackman is too old... now maybe they recast the old mutants as background players and bring back the young mutants and make it all about them... perfectly fine with that... but you still need those actors... and I think six years from now even they will be too old for this sh:t... thats why we won't see a sequel for many years... but when the time comes... give us a freaking director and writers that can give him a script he can work with. And hope to God we don't have an overbearing studio up the director's ass the whole time. X4 MAYBE by 2012... 2015 probably more realistic... recast... NO REBOOT... don't waste our time... you can't get everything perfect as you will SOON see from Nolan's Batman films... it can't be 100% perfect, or even 95% perfect. But give us some sequels... the money is there and the material is there for making quality films for this franchise
     
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    I don't think Halle and Hugh are gone forever. Halle was crazy about the franchise and has encouraged fans to petition for a sequel. I think she'd be happy to reprise the roel again. Hugh, too, is reprising his role for the Wolverine spin-off. It was his breakout role in the US, and he seems to really like it, so I don't see why he wouldn't. I don't know about Marsden. I'm sure he was disappointed in the treatment of his character, and he does seem to have moved on pretty well. He isn't really critical to a sequel, though. Neither is Patrick Stewart, although I wouldn't be surprised if he came back. He was the one who insisted on keeping the Xavier character alive and he once said that you can't have X-Men without Xavier (although I disagree).

    Of course, that's all assuming they'll do a sequel. I'd love it, but I doubt they will.
     
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    What needs to be done is Marvel taking their license back and make the movie(s) themselves.
     
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    WHy would they? They have a sh:t load of other franchises they can use... IM, Hulk, Avengers, and a bunch of low profile characters... Marvel has movies for the next ten years... definitely six of those years will be VERY productive if I.M, Hulk, THor, C.A are hits... or at least two out of four. I think they can have 2/4 200 million/film plus franchises easy. No need to take X-Men away from Fox... plus the point someone else brought up (maybe in another thread) is that Marvel won't release multiple big names in one summer. I think 08 is the exception... we won't see I.M sequels paired up with Hulk Sequels or C.A sequels in the same summer... financially it makes little sense for Marvel. THat's why S.M and X-Men were never release in the same summer. So best case scenario is that Fox still holds the rights till like 2011/12ish... even if they target 2010 which they won't... you need to go into production next year latest... that's not happening. 2011 is a possibility only if Wolverine and Magneto absolutely rape at the B.O... and I just can't see that. Magneto won't make money. I can't say that for certain but I am almost positive... I also think Wolverine will lack the legs... maybe close to 80 million type opening weekend but fading fast there after... the movie will be lucky getting to the 150 mark. The profit just isn't there... this isn't Pirates... this isn't Spiderman... heck it ain't even Transformers... the franchise should NOT be a six picture ensemble from a financial standpoint. With a returning cast and crew you are looking at a 200 million dollar budget minimum. More like 230 minimum... the movie may not even do 400 million worldwide. Its a modest profit at best... when studios make that king of investment they aren't just looking to make their money back.
     
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    That's right. I was about to say

    "X-Men Begins"
     
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    How is it when you write all of this, it still means nothing as to how to bring the X-Men movies that appeals to all the fans? :huh:
     
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    Forgive me if every post has to be spot on related to the topic... I went off on a tangent... but I already made my point earlier. I simply stated me reasons why Marvel won't take it back. Not for a while. THey have other projects they are looking into. That's all I am saying. And I don't believe the profit is there to make a direct sequel with a returning cast. For the next movie/set of movies to be successful... all I said was they are going to need to start from scratch. I still think it can be successful... it just wouldn't meet expectations if it was made anytime soon. That's just what I think about it.
     
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    -A team movie
    -Dare I say it...I'm not a real big fan of the character but...Gambit...and include other fan favorites in large roles not cameos...I'm more of a Domino fan myself...
    -Different Villains, I agree Magneto had his time...I would choose between Sinister or Haven or Cassandra Nova...anyone but Apocalypse...I wanna see Haven though...
    -Dead characters should stay "dead"...


    My personal dream for X4:
    Haven as the main villain curing mutants of the cure...recruiting humans and mutants to help her achieve her great destruction that would eventually evolve humans and mutants into one race. In the comics she believed humans and mutants would evolve into a single race...I love the X-Films but I somewhat agree with those that say they redid the same story 3 times in a different package in terms of Magneto, the human threat, etc,......It would be interesting to have a villain whose goal is somewhat similar to the X-Mens just twisted in a way...
     
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    Well, it looks like Singer will be free after one more project. If the rumor is true, no more Superman for him. So perhaps Singer can help to get this franchise up and running again. But please people, no reboot. The last movie was just a year and a half ago.
     
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    There's no need for Singer to really return though. Every potential storyline that was set up in X-Men and X2 was wrapped up in The Last Stand. The franchise has moved on. Fox is focusing on the spin-offs. After that, there's not really a need to revisit the events of The Last Stand with or without Singer.
     
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    I kinda see the X-Men trilogy as being complete. I don't think they should make an X4. They can go in many new directions now. Maybe do a reboot with the original team a long, long while from now. Or an origin story before then.
     
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    Here's what needs to be done: click my sig. :D

    Okay, that doesn't connect logically. I'm trying not to be off-topic while I'm being off-topic. :o
     
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    X3 ended totally messed up.
    But if we take a close look we can still stick to it.
    We have:
    -Storm
    -Iceman
    -Colossus
    -Shadowcat(Kitty)
    -Wolverine
    Which would make a solid team on their own.
    -Prof X has a comeback-backdoor if he is needed storywise.
    -Cyclops need to be brought back, he IS the X-men's backbone.
    -And Rogue should be re-empowered, perma-absorbing Ms Marvel in the process and getting superstrength and flight.
    That would make up a team of 7 Characters with Prof X still being the leader.
    That's enough characters without any need to introduce new ones.
    The list of active members have never been any bigger.
    (If it got bigger, they created another team.)
    So they would have enough storys to work on.
    With 2-3 lovestories, Cyk and Wolvie still mourning Jeans loss, Iceman and Rogue splitting up after the re-empowerment and a fresh love between Kitty and Colossus.
    And if there is need for another more freaky X-men -in case they make Iceman leave after the split with Rogue- ,there a still Beast or Nightcrawler to reuse.
    Villainwise I would vote to use the Hellfire Club with Sebastian Shaw and Emma Frost.
    Sinister or Apocalypse would be to hard, not another worldthreating foe so soon again.
     
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    From a realist perspective... there is no way in my mind they are bringing back every X-Men from TLS... INCLUDING ressurecting a dead Cyclops/Xavier.... if they ever make a sequel in the near future... or at least a movie that could be perceived as taking place some years after TLS but still in the same continuity... they only need a few members back...

    1) Storm (Recast if need be... she is the leader now and obviously is the most important member as we stand right now)

    2) Rougue (Based on the open ended ending... you'd expect her to get her powers back and actually use them this go around)

    3) Iceman (Plays a pivotal role on the X-Men as we stand... the new alpha male)

    4) Kitty (Reminder of the youth of the team and the potential of the future)


    THAT'S IT... Beast has moved on... you don't need him back... you can certainly do away with Wolverine and Collosus, both of whom can easily be written out. Yeah they can bring back the proffesor but is a recast worth it considering Stewart is pushing 70? Unless they reboot or make the sequel many years later... there is no need to restore the original team as it was ESPECIALLY if you had to recast down the line... but if they go with those four characters I mentioned above... I'd try to get 3/4 actors back... Halle would be in her prime at around 45-50... but she'd be too pricey... I can live with a recast... I don't think Paquin would come back either due to her displeasure with how her character got treated... so I'd try and lock up Ashmore and Ellen Page, who seems to be the next big up and coming actress... for another trilogy... and make them central characters... recasting Storm and Rogue is something I can live with.
     
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    i don't want singer anywhere near the x-men films again. he did his share of ruining the franchise. or actually he started it all. he made it too realistic and put so many restraints that there was no room for any change. his 2 movies were a bit boring and had a cheap feeling to them. even x-2. he complained that he didn't have enough time and money, but his superman flick was horrible. he may be good in making movies such as usual suspects, but making an action flick is something different.
    i just hope that whoever gets the job of directing and writing tat they don't start inventing the wheel again. the comics have enough good stories that can be used. don't change too much. just change what needs to be changed to work on a big screen.
     
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    Which would be what and according to whom? Good luck with that slippery slope.
     

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