Superman Returns What Singer needs to do for the sequel to make it a sucess.

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What are you thoughts. I think he needs to do this


1. Add a brighter shade of red to the costume. Some scenes of SR looked as if the red was purple. People reconize Superman with Red, Blue and Yellow.

2. Add a supervillian

-Braniac, Parasite,darkseid etc.

enough of lex luthor. People are tired of him. Although Kevin Spacey was great as Lex. People already get enough of Lex on Smallville.

3. Stay loyal to the comics! Sam Rami was loyal to Spider-man in the comics and that franchise is huge.

4. Needs more color, like rami style.
 
Well, follow what BATMAN BEGINS did. Consult and have known comic book creators, like the legendary Denny O'Neil was for BB, consult on the story and the film. They can help you gain a persepctive on where to blur the line between comics and film.

Rehash isn't a problem for me either. I say, rehash some storylines in the comics if you want.....or just take elements of great Superman stories and add them to the story.

And, action. Have Superman hit someone really, really, really, really ****ing hard. We are a violent people, Kal-El, and we want a brawl to see.

If he does that, I gurantee everyone, even the haters, would kneel before him the way X-MEN fans do.
 
5 Things:

1. Watch STAS
2. Watch JLU
3. Read the MODERN Comic Books
4. Talk/consult with the DC artists & writers
5. Apply 1, 2, 3 and 4 to the Sequel.

Nuff' said.
 
Nah, don't watch JLU. That's a team based toon.

I'd stick to STAS, and only STAS, as far as toons....avoid that new "Legion of Superheroes starring Superman(Superboy...) thing.......but, DO NOT ......I repeat....DO NOT use the fight scenes from that toon. Superman's always getting the floor wiped with his face in that show, despite being cool.
 
I know...I just want Singer to be overwhelmed with the DCAU and realize why it's so critically acclaimed and why he shouldn't just brush it off as just another cartoon.
 
Well, to be fair.....EVERYONE does that.

That's why JLU was cancelled, dispite being the greatest animated show to ever exist.
 
ChrisBaleBatman said:
Nah, don't watch JLU. That's a team based toon.

I'd stick to STAS, and only STAS, as far as toons....avoid that new "Legion of Superheroes starring Superman(Superboy...) thing.......but, DO NOT ......I repeat....DO NOT use the fight scenes from that toon. Superman's always getting the floor wiped with his face in that show, despite being cool.

I disagree. I think if you update the character one of the changes you need to make is to really power down the character, otherwise there is no suspense. LET Superman get thrown and banged around. Kryptonite should still be fatal but should not be his only weakness. If you make him god like and all powerful, good-bye suspense.

Some examples should be that he should not be able to spin around the Earth and turn back time, he should not be able to lift continents, he should be capable of bleeding when hit hard enough. That's just the tip of the iceberg. I would also put some limits on his speed and his flying ability. Maybe after a tough fight or rescue, show him be physically drained and having to recuperate.

Otherwise the only way you can put Superman in danger is only by the use of Kryptonite or by repeatedly putting the characters around him, like Lois and Jimmy, in danger. But that can get pretty silly after a while. I mean, how many times can you figuratively push Lois off a cliff?
 
They made him into a punching bag. I don't want that onscreen.

He can get hit, and beat around....but when it happens ALL THE TIME......something's wrong, Superman is weak then.

Giving him a bad guy that can go toe toe is the solution to thsi SUPERMAN GOD.....even though, he IS a god.....but, he doesn't have to be a punching bag to have danger surround him. And, Kryptonite is often times something writers should add in too, I mean....isn't that why it was created?
 
ChrisBaleBatman said:
Well, to be fair.....EVERYONE does that.

That's why JLU was cancelled, dispite being the greatest animated show to ever exist.

Exactly. Which is why Singer should really give it a look...I just get the vibe that he doesn't think much of the DCAU.

It ain't Super Friends...the sooner he comes to realize this, maybe the closer we are to a more "modernized" Superman in the sequel?
 
Well, that's something the entire comic book indstry is still fighting. It's a stigma, and well....it's still a problem. I think should check it out, visually it can be something to aspire to for sure. Storywise, though, I'd say take notes from STAS. That show was awesome.
 
D-Bone said:
I disagree. I think if you update the character one of the changes you need to make is to really power down the character, otherwise there is no suspense. LET Superman get thrown and banged around. Kryptonite should still be fatal but should not be his only weakness. If you make him god like and all powerful, good-bye suspense.

Some examples should be that he should not be able to spin around he Earth and turn back time, he should not be able to lift continents, he should be capable of bleeding when hit hard enough. That's just the tip of the iceberg. I would also put some limits on his speed and his flying ability. Maybe after a tough fight or rescue, show him be physically and having to recuperate.

Otherwise the only way you can put Superman in danger is only by the use of Kryptonite or by repeatedly putting the characters around him, like Lois and Jimmy, in danger. But that can get pretty silly after a while. I mean, how many times can you figuratively push Lois off a cliff?

This is a great post. People need to listen to this guy. He understands. :up:

The STAS/JL/JLU Superman was not too weak. He fought at the level of his opponents, and raised his game when he needed to. That's what works. People can get into the character more. If everything is a cakewalk, people will lose interest, and why bother going to see him. There has to be a challenge. One reason why the stories were so great and the characters so interesting in the DCAU is for this very reason.

People who think otherwise need to get off this Pre-Crisis Silver Age kick. It's boring, and while elements do work from it, it does get pretty well played out pretty fast in the 21st century. It is so lame watching Superman push a moon or breathe in space, or lift a planet or continent, or turn back time. Make the menaces credible. Put established limits on his abilities. These are things that will work on on film, and make it interesting. Have opponents who can legitimately challenge him physically without Kryptonite. Mongul, Darkseid, Brainiac, Parasite, etc. Don't dip into the Donner well for Zod or make up a Kryptonian family (rumored for sequel). Superman has a good rogues gallery. Use them.

One more thing: Get rid of the kid. Make him a bad dream, or something. He's lame, and it's really boring, IMO.
 
Actually, I'd like to see Superman beat the **** out of Captain Marvel in a movie. Live action and all.
 
Supes did admit in the series finale that he's been holding back all this time...

It wasn't until Darkseid came around that he finally, "cut loose".

ChrisBaleBatman said:
Actually, I'd like to see Superman beat the **** out of Captain Marvel in a movie. Live action and all.

That'd be a sight to see. :up:
 
I have no problem with Superman being beat around a bit by someone whos as strong as he is.

Just.....don't make him a punching bag. That's all I'm saying.

For example, that Cap/Supe fight right there. That's something I want.
 
Yeah.

Can anyone explain to me why it got canned? I mean...the ratings were good....so, what the ****?
 
i'm looking forward to Singer's sequel.... BUT i hope he 'opens it up' a bit more than he did in X2..... though that film was leaps and bounds above X1 (lame villian, no climax... sound familiar?).... I have a feeling SR 2 is gonna be good (Godfather 2 style.)
 
ChrisBaleBatman said:
Yeah.

Can anyone explain to me why it got canned? I mean...the ratings were good....so, what the ****?

they said because Bruce Timm left the show, who has always been the driving force, without him the CN just decided to can it on get more of the kiddie anime sheit.
 
It's no use trying to make a sequel fit better with young boys/men. Spider-Man did not do better because of a supervillain. It did better because it had Kirsten Dunst and Tobey Maguire with great chemistry and a lovestory that connected and made this to be the movie wich girls and couples choose to see.

If one take a girl to the cinema today, the smart thing would be to take here and se POC2, because that is a movie which fits the profile better. And a supervillain would not change that at all.

But a better casting for Lois or a better lovestory would. There is a reason Batman begins did not go past 204 million, because no matter how brilliant it was it sucked when coming to the lovestory, mainly because of a terrible Katie Holmes.

Don't get me wrong, it would be cool to have Superman bleed or put in a supervillain to have Superman fight. But if one thinks that will make the movie a bigger box office hit then Superman Returns, then I'd suggest one to think again.

With a concept like that the most the movie could hope for will be 250 million, and then it has to be freakin awesome. Make it connect with the female audience and the sky is the limit.

As for story arc, I could care less for a supervillainfight. That would be cool, but I'd much rather see something like this:

Middleast. A building is crushed after a missile strikes. The israeli are repelling a terrorist attack at a large scale. A young palestinian man is crawling through the destroyed buildings, he sees friends and fellow soldiers lying dead on the ground.

Around the corner an Israeli tank is approaching. The palestinian boy takes the rocketlauncher and aims. He can see the face of the soon to be dead Israel soldier who's head sticks up from the giant tank. The palestinian boy fires, for the first time he will take a life, he thinks. But then, out of the sky the rocket is grabbed by Superman. He looks at the boy with a harsh looks. He takes the rocket and throws it out of the atmosphere.

The tank closes in. Superman lands in front of it. "This ends here" he says. The tank stops, Superman aproaches, he places one fot on in at steps up so hard that it is crushed under his feet. With his hand he bends the canon.

Speaking israeli he says:
"no more killing today. You might want to fight the palestinians. And they might want to fight you. But you should ask yourself; Do you really want to fight me?"


Apart from my bad writing, basicly I want to se our world with the impact of Superman. I want to see Superman guid us and show us the way ;)

And in comes Brainiac....
 
ChrisBaleBatman said:
Yeah.

Can anyone explain to me why it got canned? I mean...the ratings were good....so, what the ****?

Because CN has a chubby for japanese anime. :(
 
dpm07 said:
This is a great post. People need to listen to this guy. He understands. :up:

The STAS/JL/JLU Superman was not too weak. He fought at the level of his opponents, and raised his game when he needed to. That's what works. People can get into the character more. If everything is a cakewalk, people will lose interest, and why bother going to see him. There has to be a challenge. One reason why the stories were so great and the characters so interesting in the DCAU is for this very reason.

People who think otherwise need to get off this Pre-Crisis Silver Age kick. It's boring, and while elements do work from it, it does get pretty well played out pretty fast in the 21st century. It is so lame watching Superman push a moon or breathe in space, or lift a planet or continent, or turn back time. Make the menaces credible. Put established limits on his abilities. These are things that will work on on film, and make it interesting. Have opponents who can legitimately challenge him physically without Kryptonite. Mongul, Darkseid, Brainiac, Parasite, etc. Don't dip into the Donner well for Zod or make up a Kryptonian family (rumored for sequel). Superman has a good rogues gallery. Use them.

One more thing: Get rid of the kid. Make him a bad dream, or something. He's lame, and it's really boring, IMO.

Thanks for the compliment. But this isn't new; this was basically Dini's philosophy about the character, that in order to make it more interesting you really have to put some limits on how powerful Superman is.
It is just basic dramatic technique.
Have you ever seen that animated short from years ago, Bambi vs. Godzilla?

Bambi vs. Godzilla was a hilarious short because it was so spot on. It was about 10 seconds long which showed a cute, innocent little deer feeding on the grass. All of a sudden, a giant monster's foot, presumably Godzilla's crashes down and squishes the deer. The End.
If you have Superman be all powerful, it's just always Godzilla vs. Bambi, and who wants to sit and watch that? That's dull as dirt.

Oh, and this was essentially the problem for the original creators of Superman back in the 1930's. The comic strip was running in newspapers for a few years, but the guys were getting worried because they were running out of ideas. Why? Superman was all powerful, and there wasn't any conflict. So they invented Kryptonite.

To make the audience root for Superman, you need to show him get his face rubbed in the dirt. Sort of like the old Rocky movies.
Like the robbery scene in SR, where Superman is shot with the giant machine gun. To make it more interesting, have him show up in the nick of time, only to have the force of the bullets throw Superman back into a wall. And no bullet in the eye gimmick scene. What is he, God?
 
LostSon88 said:
5 Things:

1. Watch STAS
2. Watch JLU
3. Read the MODERN Comic Books
4. Talk/consult with the DC artists & writers
5. Apply 1, 2, 3 and 4 to the Sequel.

Nuff' said.

Well said :up:
 
LostSon88 said:
This is what I wanna see in the sequel (minus Capt. Marvel)...at least once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2BvSqqmidM

(I know, i've posted it before, but its just an awesome fight...and shows both Supes vunerability & strength)

That is a pretty nice fight sequence . . . hopefully no one was in any of those buildings.
 

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