What next for the WWE, does it have a reason to exist?

[Knightsaber Priss]

What's really got my head shaking is the fact Freddie Prinze Jr. is writing for the WWE now. I'm thinking this is as low as a Hollywood actor could go on the food chain of success.

 

[Whirlysplat]

What's really got my head shaking is the fact Freddie Prinze Jr. is writing for the WWE now. I'm thinking this is as low as a Hollywood actor could go on the food chain of success.

Yet he gets to bone Sarah Michelle Gellar and we don't... That said she has gone off the boil since 1997.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I started watching pro wrestling in 1996 and Ive watched ever since till this day. I wont/cant lie, there have been more bad years then good but its entertainment. Theres alot of people on this board who like movies that truly suck but hey it entertains them so w/e floats there boat is fine by me. I just hate how much a bad name wrestling gets for being "pro wrestling" and how when people find out that I love wrestling I fall into the sterotype of some idiot who "likes something thats fake".

Ah, the weak mantra of the anti-wrestling crowd, as if they have never liked a piece of fiction in their lives. Whenever I hear this, I always tell them that the next time I go to the Black Friars Playhouse to see a Shakespeare play, I'll be sure to let the crowd know how stupid they are for liking something that it fake.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Ah, the weak mantra of the anti-wrestling crowd, as if they have never liked a piece of fiction in their lives. Whenever I hear this, I always tell them that the next time I go to the Black Friars Playhouse to see a Shakespeare play, I'll be sure to let the crowd know how stupid they are for liking something that it fake.

For sooth, thou can'st compare John Cena to the RSC. Although Shylock and Vince M. might have much in common.

 

[Lantern Venom]

For sooth, thou can'st compare John Cena to the RSC. Although Shylock and Vince M. might have much in common.

I doth compare the two, yea, in many a day's passage, and henceforth likewise. Theatre taketh the form of legion and yet one more but the base root is still the yarn spun from the unseen spark.

 

[Whirlysplat]

I doth compare the two, yea, in many a day's passage, and henceforth likewise. Theatre taketh the form of legion and yet one more but the base root is still the yarn spun from the unseen spark.

Ah, but my friend you have high and low theatre. You also have vaudeville and music hall. I think Wrestling owes more to vaudeville than Shakespeare.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Ah, but my friend you have high and low theatre. You also have vaudeville and music hall. I think Wrestling owes more to vaudeville than Shakespeare.

At their core, however, they are the same. Illusion is ultimately just illusion regardless of perspective. Shakespeare's works were considered by some to be blasphemous and vulgar. That might be a mind-boggling concept to us today but it's true. Today, at least in the West, Shakespeare is almost universally considered masterful. Regardless of the social pecking order of various types of fiction ( as a fan of both wrestling and Shakespeare, I realize the difference ) they still spring from the same place.

 

[Whirlysplat]

At their core, however, they are the same. Illusion is ultimately just illusion regardless of perspective. Shakespeare's works were considered by some to be blasphemous and vulgar. That might be a mind-boggling concept to us today but it's true. Today, at least in the West, Shakespeare is almost universally considered masterful. Regardless of the social pecking order of various types of fiction ( as a fan of both wrestling and Shakespeare, I realize the difference ) they still spring from the same place.

Trust me, people will not be using any WWE for GCSE English Lit. Shakespeare is also considered anti semetic. Those were the times his work refelected. The WWE has little social comment or reflection of our present times unless you consider the portrayal of obviously arabic characters as villians to chants of USA and booing reflective. On second thought; perhaps it does show popularist opinions through rabble rousing.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Trust me, people will not be using any WWE for GCSE English Lit. Shakespeare is also considered anti semetic. Those were the times his work refelected. The WWE has little social comment or reflection of our present times unless you consider the portrayal of obviously arabic characters as villians to chants of USA and booing reflective. On second thought; perhaps it does show popularist opinions through rabble rousing.

The debate on Shakespeare's views in an interesting one. There are many who think part or all of his works weren't written by the man himself but attributed to him for various reasons.

As WWE being a social commentary, that isn't what it's meant to be. Pro wrestling is the closest incarnation we have to a living comic book. It features larger-than-life characters, doing impossible things, engaging in a struggle of wills.

My original point was that the idea that one needs to be stupid to like fakery is obviously false. Every class, every walk of life enjoys something "fake" aka "fiction".

 

[Whirlysplat]

As WWE being a social commentary, that isn't what it's meant to be. Pro wrestling is the closest incarnation we have to a living comic book. It features larger-than-life characters, doing impossible things, engaging in a struggle of wills.

No T.V. and films are, like the WWE they have actors acting. The WWE is more like kids pretending in a playground. The undertaker reminds me of the little kid who refuses to play dead. If you mean real as in you can go and see people live 'pretending' to do impossible things, you can always hang out with some preschoolers. The WWE is really not that different except the preschoolers probably have better plots and imaginary powers.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Yet he gets to bone Sarah Michelle Gellar and we don't... That said she has gone off the boil since 1997.

Considering I'm a woman who is very straight I have a slight immunity to the power of boobies so the SMG thing just doesn't affect me at all. Plus isn't she just a little too bony to be attractive? I'm not a guy so I can't really gauge what guys find attractive because what I think is totally different.

 

[BlackLantern]

Prinze is a big wrestling fan who has been spending more time behind the camera than in front...as for the fiction debate, I see the points...but I'm a wrestling fan on my own time, I don't try to get other people to accept or watch it, and I treat it no differently than anything I else I watch on TV....

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Prinze is a big wrestling fan who has been spending more time behind the camera than in front...

I still cannot see the connection between Freddie Prinze Jr. and WWE wrestling. It's like smoshing chocolate and crap together to me.

 

[BlackLantern]

The WWE needs writers and always likes publicity...and it's not brain surgery...so he gets an easy paycheck and the WWE gets a "celebrity" on the writing staff....anyone who watches frequently has seen him at alot of live WWE events, he is also a big contributor to the WWE fan universe web site

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

The WWE needs writers and always likes publicity...and it's not brain surgery...so he gets an easy paycheck and the WWE gets a "celebrity" on the writing staff....anyone who watches frequently has seen him at alot of live WWE events, he is also a big contributor to the WWE fan universe web site

It's just too bad the WWE still doesn't have any writers working for them.

I've really given up on being enthusiastic about wrestling because, well, I'm an adult now. I stopped watching wrestling altogether in the mid-90's because it was just starting to bore me. If I want to watch a "manly" type sport, I'll stick with football and hockey.

 

[Lantern Venom]

No T.V. and films are, like the WWE they have actors acting. The WWE is more like kids pretending in a playground. The undertaker reminds me of the little kid who refuses to play dead. If you mean real as in you can go and see people live 'pretending' to do impossible things, you can always hang out with some preschoolers. The WWE is really not that different except the preschoolers probably have better plots and imaginary powers.

If you ever find a preschooler who can do a shooting star press and not kill himself or the person on whom he's executing it, please let me know. I'd love to be that kid's agent. I'd be rich.

 

[Whirlysplat]

If you ever find a preschooler who can do a shooting star press and not kill himself or the person on whom he's executing it, please let me know. I'd love to be that kid's agent. I'd be rich.

He can imagine that he can and like any 'real life superhero' you can imagine it with him.

 

[BlackLantern]

I saw an OTL piece about kids as young as 9 getting involved in MMA.....I was very disturbed watching one 9 year old mount and punch another 9 yo

 

[Beanjuice]

If you ever find a preschooler who can do a shooting star press and not kill himself or the person on whom he's executing it, please let me know. I'd love to be that kid's agent. I'd be rich.

lol

 

[DeaDheaD]

I saw an OTL piece about kids as young as 9 getting involved in MMA.....I was very disturbed watching one 9 year old mount and punch another 9 yo

I saw the same piece, the guy running the organization needs to have his business license taken from him.

 

[Whirlysplat]

I saw an OTL piece about kids as young as 9 getting involved in MMA.....I was very disturbed watching one 9 year old mount and punch another 9 yo

Remember when I made this point many hundreds of posts back BL?

 

[BlackLantern]

Remember when I made this point many hundreds of posts back BL?

I remember...but I saw the story just recently.....

 

[Whirlysplat]

I remember...but I saw the story just recently.....

Fair enough my friend and yes it is disturbing. Very disturbing.

 

[Heretic]

Ah, the "its fake" argument.

My girlfriend said to me last night "I cant believe you watch this fake stuff (but she didnt say "stuff")". I informed her that her favorite tv show, Family Guy, is also fake. Plus, all of her favorite movies are not documentaries. Keanu Reeves is not actually trying to free us from robot mind control, Brad Pitt is not merely the subconscious of Edward Norton, and David Duchovny is not really a sex addict like on tv...wait...scratch that last part...

Slamming wrestling for being "fake" is every bit as idiotic as defending it for being "real". Ive heard wrestling fans say "what about Owen Hart? He died in the ring!". Yeah, and Brandon Lee died making The Crow, but he didnt come back to life to kill the bad guys. Accidents happen, doesnt mean the fictional story they are telling is real.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Ah, the "its fake" argument.

My girlfriend said to me last night "I cant believe you watch this fake stuff (but she didnt say "stuff")". I informed her that her favorite tv show, Family Guy, is also fake. Plus, all of her favorite movies are not documentaries. Keanu Reeves is not actually trying to free us from robot mind control, Brad Pitt is not merely the subconscious of Edward Norton, and David Duchovny is not really a sex addict like on tv...wait...scratch that last part...

Slamming wrestling for being "fake" is every bit as idiotic as defending it for being "real". Ive heard wrestling fans say "what about Owen Hart? He died in the ring!". Yeah, and Brandon Lee died making The Crow, but he didnt come back to life to kill the bad guys. Accidents happen, doesnt mean the fictional story they are telling is real.

It's not just crap because it's fake. It's crap because it's crap. What about Owen Hart? He died performing a dangerous stunt to impress his fans. Brandon Lee died because the armourer hadn't checked the guns well enough.