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What Raimi's Trilogy did better than the comics...

I liked Topher as Brock, and I liked the way the character was portrayed and looked. But his presence in 3 forced the story to be rushed, and Venom's screen time to be short. And he shouldn't have died.

I think that had he went to prison, while in prison he should have lifted weights while in prison, or had the actor lifted weights during his entire time in his two movies, that would be good. It's good to see change in the people in later movies.

I really enjoyed Grace's performance of Eddie Brock, Jr...I was always known that Venom was Eddie Brock, and never read about the Ultimate version, such as Eddie Brock, Jr., but then found out some stuff about him, and the look that Topher Grace had in the movie is like a perfect non-Peter, i.e., leather jacket, smooth talking and etc., and his performance was just brilliant as Venom...you could feel the evil in him with every word he spoke...even though I do agree he could've lived on, his death works for the movie such as Doc Ock's death worked in the second film...and if he did go off to prison instead of dying, it would be a stupid move to have him "bulk up" in prison. And if you and other people, including me, wanted more Venom, wait for the extended cut...of course that will happen and I do forsee more Venom in it.

But, regarding the deaths...unlike Superman movies and Batman movies, I kinda actually like the villains dying in the Spider-Man-verse...the deaths work with the movies, but if they do find a new director for the next Spidey trilogy, don't keep all of the villains alive...if you wanna keep Dr. Connors alive once he becomes the Lizard, that's fine, but if you have other villains like Kraven, Hobgoblin, Electro, Carnage, then kill those villains off.
 
I don't read the ultimate comics anymore. Did Peter confess to Aunt May about what he did before she found out he was Spider-man in Ultimate?

I know in Amazing I liked how she found out he was spider-man, post dead aunt may of course.

But I wouldn't buy it in the movie. That woman looks like she would drop over dead if she found out he was Spider-Man.
 
I really enjoyed Grace's performance of Eddie Brock, Jr...I was always known that Venom was Eddie Brock, and never read about the Ultimate version, such as Eddie Brock, Jr., but then found out some stuff about him, and the look that Topher Grace had in the movie is like a perfect non-Peter, i.e., leather jacket, smooth talking and etc., and his performance was just brilliant as Venom...you could feel the evil in him with every word he spoke...even though I do agree he could've lived on, his death works for the movie such as Doc Ock's death worked in the second film...and if he did go off to prison instead of dying, it would be a stupid move to have him "bulk up" in prison. And if you and other people, including me, wanted more Venom, wait for the extended cut...of course that will happen and I do forsee more Venom in it.

But, regarding the deaths...unlike Superman movies and Batman movies, I kinda actually like the villains dying in the Spider-Man-verse...the deaths work with the movies, but if they do find a new director for the next Spidey trilogy, don't keep all of the villains alive...if you wanna keep Dr. Connors alive once he becomes the Lizard, that's fine, but if you have other villains like Kraven, Hobgoblin, Electro, Carnage, then kill those villains off.


Character devlopment involves growing as a person and changing just like real people change as they get older.

I think that if Venom appeared in a spidey movie, where he was defeated and not killed and went to prison, than a good Venom spin off movie with carnage could be really good. You have the first half of the movie take place in prison. Prison life could be great character development for Brock, and help you get to Cletus. You watch Brock grow, suffer, and watch how prison changes him.

I'm not saying Brock should go from looking how he did in 3 to looking like Vin Diesel. Grace did gain some mass for the movie, and you show him gaining a little more for part 4. You could show him lifting weights as many people in prison do.
 
that makes me cringe. That is just so incredibly awful. Not to mention the fact that Peter picks the same church as Brock, and on top of that after Venom becomes Venom what are the odds that while webslinging he's just going to run smack dab into Sandman by coincedence. There are millions of people in New York, and he picks the same alley as Sandman.

Really awful. Not much thought was put into how to make things happen in this movie.

I really don't know how Raimi did such a 180 on this movie. The first two were very good movies. They were very good. It was clear that spidey 1 and 2 and Batman Begins were in a league of their own when it comes to comic book movies, and than spider-man 3 just took such a turn for the worse.

I disagree with you 100%, lol.

Why would people wanna whine about the coincidences in movies? Why don't you just say "Well, it's lazy to have Kal-El land right in Smallville, Kansas where the Kents live."

It's a movie, there will be certain coincidences that will happen during it, just like the church scene, which I thought was one of the more powerful scenes in all of the Spider-Man movies. And I loved the meteorite landing...it was simple, as a space shuttle crashing into New York would be too much.

And, regarding Venom swinging into the same alley as Sandman was, he told Marko he was looking for him...did you not hear him say that?

Spider-Man 3, to me, was one of the most greatest superhero movies ever made...yes, S-M 1 and 2 are great, as to Batman Begins, but S-M 3 is in that same league...it might have had some bad moments (The Jazz Club scene), but overall, it dealt more into comics-lore, just as X3 did, and that's what made X3 actually good too, just because it had more mutants: Juggernaut, Multiple Man, Colossus, Shadowcat, Beast, Phoenix, Callisto, etc.

The first Spider-Man movie was the best to me, just because I always love the origin stories more (Batman Begins, Superman, Fantastic Four, X-Men), but Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 had different aspects to each movie...S-M 2 had more drama and emotion, a good amount of action, but not enough to me, and S-M 3 had a lot of the same, but also more action.

Again, all are just my opinions.
 
Character devlopment involves growing as a person and changing just like real people change as they get older.

I think that if Venom appeared in a spidey movie, where he was defeated and not killed and went to prison, than a good Venom spin off movie with carnage could be really good. You have the first half of the movie take place in prison. Prison life could be great character development for Brock, and help you get to Cletus. You watch Brock grow, suffer, and watch how prison changes him.

I'm not saying Brock should go from looking how he did in 3 to looking like Vin Diesel. Grace did gain some mass for the movie, and you show him gaining a little more for part 4. You could show him lifting weights as many people in prison do.

Eddie Brock was given enough development though...again, this movie wasn't about him, and it showed enough of Eddie...we don't have to learn his backstory with his family or what not, just his life at the Daily Bugle, how he tries to get a job, fakes a picture to earn that job, gets fired and prays to God to kill Peter (Spidey in the comics), and that was all that was shown really in TAS (minus the Lizard story), just his work life, and him working out played a part during the symbiote-arc, but mind that, what all we really needed to see, unlike Norman Osborn and Otto Octavius, we really just needed to know how he got fired and how he goes to church to pray for Peter/Spidey's death and then how he becomes Eddie...he was never developed truley in comics anyways, and what we got was basically what we got in the movies.

Plus, even if Topher Grace wasn't this huge, muscular guy...it's better to have a great actor then to have someone like Brock Lesner or someother dude who's huge and can't act worth crap...Raimi made a great choice with all of his actors to portray the villains: Willem Dafoe, Alfred Molina, Thomas Haden Church, Topher Grace, James Franco; and Dylan Baker, I believe, will be a great Lizard, even though it might be more CGI than anything else.
 
It's hard to say that Raimi "did better" than the comics. I mean, the comics are the original story.

Now, when it comes to film making, I think that Raimi made the right decisions with a lot of things. To be blunt, there are some things that you just CAN'T get away with in a movie that you can in a comic book.

In short, I'm not anal about comic book movies sticking to the source material. My main thing is that the ESSENCE of the story should be present in the movie. I feel that this was completely accomplished in the Spider-Man trilogy. The stories are about the man behind the mask; not the mask.

So, yeah, I'm very happy with how the Spider-Man movies turned out. I love them.
 
Doc Ock in the movie was better than any comic version of him, IMO.
 
In my opinion, the only thing Raimi improved upon is some of the visuals and designs on some characters, like Ock's tentacles, or Norman's glider etc.

As far as characterization goes, all the comic book characters are vastly superior to their movie counterparts, save maybe Gwen and Sandman.
 
I disagree with you 100%, lol.

Why would people wanna whine about the coincidences in movies? Why don't you just say "Well, it's lazy to have Kal-El land right in Smallville, Kansas where the Kents live."

I don't watch Smallville.

It's a movie, there will be certain coincidences that will happen during it, just like the church scene, which I thought was one of the more powerful scenes in all of the Spider-Man movies. And I loved the meteorite landing...it was simple, as a space shuttle crashing into New York would be too much.

it was crap. utter crap. you can only suspend so much disbelief for the sake of enjoying a story before it starts to feel farfetched and more fantasty than it does sci-fi. This isn't Lord of the Rings where things "just" happen for no reason. We like things to be explained and feel somewhat believable. If that's not true, than they never would have bothered explaining how the spiders were genetically modified super spiders, or how Ock's tentacles connect with a neural interface to his cerebellum.

Imagine if instead of a genetically modified super spider that bit spider-man, he merely swallowed one while riding a bike with mouth open and magically got spider powers.

And, regarding Venom swinging into the same alley as Sandman was, he told Marko he was looking for him...did you not hear him say that?
I thought he said "I know all about you." but even if he was looking for him, how did he know where to find him? Do you know what the odds are of that? 1 in millions. There are millions of people in New York, and it's not like Sandman was a hundred feet tall at the time, attracting the attention of New yorkers and reporters.

Spider-Man 3, to me, was one of the most greatest superhero movies ever made...yes, S-M 1 and 2 are great, as to Batman Begins, but S-M 3 is in that same league...it might have had some bad moments (The Jazz Club scene), but overall, it dealt more into comics-lore, just as X3 did, and that's what made X3 actually good too, just because it had more mutants: Juggernaut, Multiple Man, Colossus, Shadowcat, Beast, Phoenix, Callisto, etc.
I'm glad for your sake you liked it, but word of mouth from non comic fans, word of mouth from comic fans, and critics has been pretty consistent that this movie was not satisfactory for the most part for most audiences. It did not live up to it's goal. When I walked out of the theatre I heard so many girls, laughing at Peter for crying so many times during the movie. I'm not exagerating. I dont' know why I only heard girls saying it, but that's what happened.

The movie had too much flare, too much action, and it poured the drama and effects on way too thick. If you over saturate your steak with salt and spices it's not going to taste good.

The first Spider-Man movie was the best to me, just because I always love the origin stories more (Batman Begins, Superman, Fantastic Four, X-Men), but Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 3 had different aspects to each movie...S-M 2 had more drama and emotion, a good amount of action, but not enough to me,

A lot of people felt hungry for action instead of stuffed full after seeing part 2. That's what makes it good. Leaving you hungry for more, or hungry for another sequel.


and S-M 3 had a lot of the same, but also more action.

it lacked character growth and character development. Realism and believability and a good story. If that wasn't true, it wouldnt' be getting such mixed responses. Aside from die hard comic fans who want the movies to be word for word exactly like the comic book, the first two movies didnt' get mixed responses like this from the general public. When I walked out of the theatre seeing part 1 and part 2 all I heard was "awesome! That was amazing"

After part 3 i didn't hear one person saying that. All I heard was complaints.
 
Eddie Brock was given enough development though...again, this movie wasn't about him,
I know but a Venom spin off would be about him.

and it showed enough of Eddie...we don't have to learn his backstory with his family or what not,

I feel that it hurt everything else happening in the movie, and it made it so there wasn't enough time for Venom at the end.


Plus, even if Topher Grace wasn't this huge, muscular guy...it's better to have a great actor then to have someone like Brock Lesner or someother dude who's huge and can't act worth crap...Raimi made a great choice with all of his actors to portray the villains: Willem Dafoe, Alfred Molina, Thomas Haden Church, Topher Grace, James Franco; and Dylan Baker, I believe, will be a great Lizard, even though it might be more CGI than anything else.

I agree with that.
 
The Comics are the source material of the films. without them there would be no Spidey films. And just remember that back in 1962, scientific accidents causing people to have amazing abilities was Common in Marvel Comics. so we can't argue about that. I loved both origins of Doc Ock, they added a wife and changed the way he became Ock. In the Comics Doc Ock was working on radioactive material so it was a bit different in The Comics but like I siad, they were both great. Ocks attitude was just like it was in the Comics, which is always a good thing. Venom was defenitley like his Comic counterpart in this film. he looked exactly like he did in the Comics only he has webs on film which I think are great and had very great moments from the Comics such as Eddie Brock going to the Church to pay for his sins, etc. as for Ock going to prison instead of dieing, I think it was better for him to die on film because if he did in the Comics then how would we bable to see him again? so I think him going to prison in the Comics works out better in the comics and him dieing works out better on film. Sandman was great as well because he was very similar to his Comic Counterpart except on film he has a much bigger story than just being an average crook. so alot of the things resemble the Comics and some don't. but I'm satisfied with everything they did, I think some things work out better in the comics such as Sandman just being an average crook and some things work out better on film. I'm very happy.
 

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