The Avengers What sort of MARKETING does THE AVENGERS need to bring in the GA that are not fans?

[Chewy]

Actually, it is

I'll bet you that when X4 will come out (in 3D) it will make over a billion WW...

Ok. I'll take that bet. It's a pretty silly bet for you to make. Considering no X-Men movie has ever made half that.

 

[dony2012]

^No way at all. None of the X-men movies even cracked $500 million WW. They are not that huge overseas.

It will have the "Fast and Furious" effect.

 

[KangConquers]

So the question at this point isn't "Is dony2012 a troll", it's "who is trolling as dony2012?"

Any guesses?

 

[Chewy]

I think dony2012 might be Hugh Jackman's mother

 

[Chewy]

It will have the "Fast and Furious" effect.

The Rock will be in it?

 

[nogap87]

I really doubt Disney, a company who has had billion or near billion dollar movies 3 years in a row will go "Okay, well...we're taking a year off this year! let's just shoot for Iron Man numbers for this movie!" If Avengers doesn't do at least 800 M next year, Disney is in big trouble. John Carter is going to bomb, and Brave is likely to do strong but not exceptional numbers.

If Avengers under performs than the only one who is in "big trouble" is Marvel Studios. I can see their (Marvel's) leash getting a lot shorter if Avengers and Iron Man 3 don't have a 'Pirates' level profit margin. I would have no problem with that scenario since the only thing Marvel has excelled at is casting.

 

[Chewy]

It *is* about the averages of the Avengers. Or at least the highest common denominator, which remains RDJ as Iron Man. It's about *audiences* who actually want to see these characters as a team.

Where are you magically finding all these audiences that didn't care enough to see any of the previous four characters' films, yet will somehow decide that a GROUP effort of four characters they don't give a crap about will suddenly make it worth their while....???

As for the Bat-franchise, you, me and everyone else knows that TDK was lightning in a bottle, and was almost entirely about The Joker, *not* Batman. TDKR will see a MASSIVE dropoff from TDK, and will, again, reiterate the point about sequel success rarely being a guarantee.

That's exactly where the audience is "magically" being found. People who didn't necessarily care about the four characters as individuals, but do care to see multiple superheroes team up on film.

It's not hard to see why most superhero sequels drop. What's the draw to general audiences? "See more of Spidey in action, but this time he's fighting Doc Ock instead of Green Goblin!" No one but geeks care. It's not more exciting to GA than simply seeing Spidey was. "See more of Iron Man in action, but this time he's fighting Whiplash instead of Iron Monger!" Audiences DO care to see the most iconic comic villain brought to the big screen, hence the TDK increase.

This is not a remotely comparable scenario. It's not more of the same, with a different villain plopped in. It's the very first superhero crossover film. Using the $20M drop from SM1->SM2 to demonstrate anything related to TA's box office potential seems foolish.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I don't get why some of you guys think that Avengers will make as much as IM2. I think the fact that all of these superheroes that have their own different movies teaming up will be a HUGE draw. That plus Disney's marketing will mean big bucks.

 

[dony2012]

So the question at this point isn't "Is dony2012 a troll", it's "who is trolling as dony2012?"

Any guesses?

 

[cherokeesam]

That's exactly where the audience is "magically" being found. People who didn't necessarily care about the four characters as individuals, but do care to see multiple superheroes team up on film.

It's not hard to see why most superhero sequels drop. What's the draw to general audiences? "See more of Spidey in action, but this time he's fighting Doc Ock instead of Green Goblin!" No one but geeks care. It's not more exciting to GA than simply seeing Spidey was. "See more of Iron Man in action, but this time he's fighting Whiplash instead of Iron Monger!" Audiences DO care to see the most iconic comic villain brought to the big screen, hence the TDK increase.

This is not a remotely comparable scenario. It's not more of the same, with a different villain plopped in. It's the very first superhero crossover film. Using the $20M drop from SM1->SM2 to demonstrate anything related to TA's box office potential seems foolish.

This argument about the sum being better than its individual parts, when it comes to movies, continues to baffle me.

If you've got a moviegoer who doesn't give a damn about Iron Man, Captain America, Thor *or* the Hulk, and never bothered to drop a dime on even a rental of those films, there is no conceivable reason on god's green earth that he's suddenly going to want to see all four of them *together.* Like that's going to make them any more palatable than they were to him before...how, exactly?

Look, Stan the Man already knows this. Ever since the Silver Age, the individual components of the Avengers (Cap, Hulk, IM and Thor) have always outsold the team effort. Avengers, like Justice League, has always been an acquired taste among comic book fans (and I'm one of them....I always collected Avengers far more than any other Marvel title), but both are largely viewed by non-diehards as just a revolving-door catch-all of supers, with fluctuating roster changes far too confusing to even keep up with.

And just like in the comics, the Avengers movie(s) will likely be seen as anomalies in the MCU. Like an All-Star game....marquee players getting together once in a blue moon to play a game that nobody ever remembers or gives a damn about, but hey, it's a fun time-out side jaunt until the individual players can get back to their own games and storylines to play the ones that really count.


And god forbid that Disney is as demanding as some of you guys are that Avengers will be a make-or-break for Marvel Studios. That's putting *way* undue pressure on a film. The way you guys talk, if Avengers tanks like GL next year, then Marvel Studios might as well shut their doors forever. Give 'em some breathing room, for Crom's sake.

 

[nogap87]

Not shut down. Just gobbled up by the Mouse.

Besides, Marvel put this pressure on themselves. 90% of Iron Man 2 will be one big expensive waste of time if Avengers is a dud.

 

[Adamantium Man]

This argument about the sum being better than its individual parts, when it comes to movies, continues to baffle me.

If you've got a moviegoer who doesn't give a damn about Iron Man, Captain America, Thor *or* the Hulk, and never bothered to drop a dime on even a rental of those films, there is no conceivable reason on god's green earth that he's suddenly going to want to see all four of them *together.* Like that's going to make them any more palatable than they were to him before...how, exactly?

Look, Stan the Man already knows this. Ever since the Silver Age, the individual components of the Avengers (Cap, Hulk, IM and Thor) have always outsold the team effort. Avengers, like Justice League, has always been an acquired taste among comic book fans (and I'm one of them....I always collected Avengers far more than any other Marvel title), but both are largely viewed by non-diehards as just a revolving-door catch-all of supers, with fluctuating roster changes far too confusing to even keep up with.

And just like in the comics, the Avengers movie(s) will likely be seen as anomalies in the MCU. Like an All-Star game....marquee players getting together once in a blue moon to play a game that nobody ever remembers or gives a damn about, but hey, it's a fun time-out side jaunt until the individual players can get back to their own games and storylines to play the ones that really count.


And god forbid that Disney is as demanding as some of you guys are that Avengers will be a make-or-break for Marvel Studios. That's putting *way* undue pressure on a film. The way you guys talk, if Avengers tanks like GL next year, then Marvel Studios might as well shut their doors forever. Give 'em some breathing room, for Crom's sake.

You're forgetting the slash girls, who are now noticing the possibilities of seeing so many hot men in a movie together. They're numerous. And according to comments on tumblr, they're buying the DVDs of the solo movies and anticipating Avengers like crazy.

So, Disney needs just to hype the bromance among the characters, and the female demographic that didn't see the solo movies will be there.

 

[Chewy]

This argument about the sum being better than its individual parts, when it comes to movies, continues to baffle me.

If you've got a moviegoer who doesn't give a damn about Iron Man, Captain America, Thor *or* the Hulk, and never bothered to drop a dime on even a rental of those films, there is no conceivable reason on god's green earth that he's suddenly going to want to see all four of them *together.* Like that's going to make them any more palatable than they were to him before...how, exactly?

Because multiple superheroes teaming up to save the entire planet from an alien invasion is more unique than another hero vs villain movie.

It's nice that it baffles you, I guess it'll baffle you when Avengers explodes at the BO next year

 

[cherokeesam]

Because multiple superheroes teaming up to save the entire planet from an alien invasion is more unique than another hero vs villain movie.

It's nice that it baffles you, I guess it'll baffle you when Avengers explodes at the BO next year

"Because multiple superheroes teaming up to save the entire planet from an alien invasion is more unique than another hero vs. villain movie," he said, carefully hiding his bargain-bin DVD/blu-rays of the Fantastic Four and Green Lantern Corps teaming up to save the entire planet from an alien invasion.....

 

[The Morningstar]

lol Green Lantern wasn't anything like that.

The thing Avengers has going for it is the fact that it is a sequel to 5 other movies. It's the culmination of the solo films. It will be marketed as such.

You have a trailer with images like the Helicarrier crashing into New York (or some other city), alien ships blowing crap up, Iron Man and Thor attacking alien ships in airial dog fights, Hulk smashing crap up and Cap fighting off multiple alien enemies with sick ass martial arts, Loki up to no good... it's basically a license to print money.

 

[Chewy]

"Because multiple superheroes teaming up to save the entire planet from an alien invasion is more unique than another hero vs. villain movie," he said, carefully hiding his bargain-bin DVD/blu-rays of the Fantastic Four and Green Lantern Corps teaming up to save the entire planet from an alien invasion.....

You must have watched different Fantastic Four and Green Lantern movies than I did.

 

[cryptic name]

And just like in the comics, the Avengers movie(s) will likely be seen as anomalies in the MCU. Like an All-Star game....marquee players getting together once in a blue moon to play a game that nobody ever remembers or gives a damn about, but hey, it's a fun time-out side jaunt until the individual players can get back to their own games and storylines to play the ones that really count.

What an oddly negative stance to take. I'd be willing to bet money that the Avengers story will as if not more memorable than the solo films leading up to it. Whedon can write the **** out of an ensemble story.

"Because multiple superheroes teaming up to save the entire planet from an alien invasion is more unique than another hero vs. villain movie," he said, carefully hiding his bargain-bin DVD/blu-rays of the Fantastic Four and Green Lantern Corps teaming up to save the entire planet from an alien invasion.....

And what does this even mean?

 

[KangConquers]

What an oddly negative stance to take. I'd be willing to bet money that the Avengers story will as if not more memorable than the solo films leading up to it. Whedon can write the **** out of an ensemble story.




And what does this even mean?

It means that Trolls have infiltrated our ranks!!! TROLLSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cherokeesam]

You must have watched different Fantastic Four and Green Lantern movies than I did.

Alien(s) comes to earth to destroy it; team of superheroes bands together to defeat alien(s).

Describes:

(a) Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (FF vs. Galactus & Herald)
(b) Green Lantern (GL Corps vs. Parallax)
(c) The Avengers ( << ditto vs. Unnamed Aliens)
(d) all of the above DING DING DING we haff winnah

 

[Godzilla2000]

Anyone think implied nudity would work? I'm sure RDJ would be okay with that.

 

[cherokeesam]

Anyone think implied nudity would work? I'm sure RDJ would be okay with that.

As long as it involves Maria Hill soaping up Black Widow in the shower, I'm in.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Wow, Cherokeesam. I thought the "BO for THE AVENGERS would be the average of the individual heroes films" was a monumentally stupid statement (and it was). However comparing what we saw in FF2 and gl (clouds kinda destroying Earth) to THE AVENGERS actually comes close to beating it for sheer ludicrousness.

 

[Lord]

Remeber the type of fan girls that screamed by seeing Twilight?
While watching Captain America i noticed that Thor had atracted some of those,seems like girls like Loki

 

[Godzilla2000]

As long as it involves Maria Hill soaping up Black Widow in the shower, I'm in.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of RDJ and a hot, custom job car with Whitesnake's Here I Go Again playing in the background. t:

But my belongs to Tom Hiddleston...seriously.

Remeber the type of fan girls that screamed by seeing Twilight?
While watching Captain America i noticed that Thor had atracted some of those,seems like girls like Loki

I deny any fondness for the Twilight books and movies your honor!

 

[Lord]

I was actually thinking more along the lines of RDJ and a hot, custom job car with Whitesnake's Here I Go Again playing in the background. t:

But my belongs to Tom Hiddleston...seriously.



I deny any fondness for the Twilight books and movies your honor!

I find Twilight one of the s***st franchises ever but the money it gets come from Fan girls that love it and Thot is begining to get the same love which is a good thing